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To: The Bard
1) God used to be a man on another planet and Mormon members may become gods of their own worlds

Well, yes and no. There is much more to this than this simplistic statement. It is more accurate to say that God the Father was once a Son as Jesus Christ is, and that those who achieve exaltation will inherit "all that the Father hath." Anything beyond that is speculation.

2) There are many gods

In that sense that "god" is a title indicating inheritance of "all that the Father hath," that's true. In the sense that they are co-equal with God our Eternal Father, no.

3) The Trinity is three separate Gods

More accurate to say that the Trinity is a false concept.

4) Entrance into celestial heaven is by the consent of God and the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith

Again, this is a distortion. Joseph is a Judge in Israel, which is what the Lord decreed for all His apostles, but he doesn't "consent" anything.

5) God has a body of flesh and bones

Yes.

6) God is married and produces spirit babies by having physical relations with his goddess wife

God the Father has spiritual offspring but no one on this earth has any notion how this is achieved. However, eternal marriage is possible.

7) Jesus, Satan, and all of us are spirit brothers and sisters procreated in a pre-existent spirit life

That's crudely stated, but generally true.

8) God had relations with Mary to make Jesus’ body

No, this is a misconception. It is just that we know that God the Father is the literal Father of Jesus Christ. How this was done we have no knowledge.

9) You must shed your own blood for the forgiveness of some sins

No. Those who do not repent and take upon themselves the name of Jesus Christ must suffer for their own sins. I'm always amazed at this, since it is biblical: The notion that those who don't repent and accept the atoning blood of Jesus Christ must suffer for their own sins is pretty generally accepted.

10)Good works are necessary for the forgiveness of sins

If you want to be more accurate, say that obedience to the commandments is part of faith. This is what the Lord required, and the Bible states this innumerable times.

1,774 posted on 04/23/2003 9:15:21 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay; Wrigley
***It is more accurate to say that God the Father was once a Son as Jesus Christ is***

Some pearl.

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Is that's a real PEARL or a Pig in a Poke!

1,777 posted on 04/23/2003 9:30:14 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: Illbay; The Bard; Wrigley; drstevej
It is more accurate to say that God the Father was once a Son as Jesus Christ is...

More "accurate" perhaps, but still blasphemous. Tell me, Illbay, who were God's parents?

John 1: 1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1,779 posted on 04/23/2003 10:04:54 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD, FRM, RFA)
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To: Illbay
So essentially, part of what was attempted to be taught to me by that particular church was wrong, either through error in teaching, error in the presentation of the teacher, or error in my understanding of what they were trying to teach.

On the flip side, from what you confirm to be correct teachings (of what I did understand), to me it is still Un-biblical teachings. I myself believe fully in the Bible first. I can't accept the idea that if has error, other than what some of the modern "mis-translations" introduce. Acts 17 shows that we are to search the scriptures, and Timothy also informs us we are to study the scriptures. My understanding of the scriptures don't support your claims.

I have heard it said that the Mormon church accepts the Bible as far as it has been correctly translated, but that it is the work of man and open to error. I believe that the Bible is the inspired, unchanging Word of God, and that anything that disagrees with the Bible is in error.

Thank you for you answer. I appreciate the time on this. I think that in the end we will just agree to disagree on this, but If you have any questions for me, I would be glad to give them a shot..
1,780 posted on 04/23/2003 10:27:06 AM PDT by The Bard
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To: Illbay; Wrigley; fishtank; Alex Murphy; CARepubGal; ksen; scripter; Corin Stormhands; restornu
More accurate to say that the Trinity is a false concept.

how so ?

Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Clearly all three forms of the Godhead were there

Do you say this because you dont consider Christ part of the Godhead?

If you want to be more accurate, say that obedience to the commandments is part of faith.

Please clarify Mormon doctrine in this regard... Does "obedience" result from "faith" or does "obedience" lead to "faith" ?

1,781 posted on 04/23/2003 10:28:22 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Illbay
"8) God had relations with Mary to make Jesus’ body"

No, this is a misconception. It is just that we know that God the Father is the literal Father of Jesus Christ. How this was done we have no knowledge.

You have no knowledge on the subject?

“This matter was a little changed in the case of the Savior of the world, the Son of the living God. The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband. On this account infidels have called the Savior a bastard. This is merely a human opinion upon one of the inscrutable doings of the Almighty. That very babe that was cradled in the manger, was begotten, not by Joseph, the husband of Mary, but by another Being. Do you inquire by whom He was begotten by God our heavenly father.” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 11:268)

“The birth of the Savior was as natural as the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood--was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.” (Brigham Yong, Journal of Discourses, 8:115).

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which he performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that same Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph, nor was He Begotten by the Holy Ghost. He is the Son of the Eternal Father.” (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, 1988, pages 6-7)

Cordially,

1,850 posted on 04/01/2004 7:41:44 AM PST by Diamond
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