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The Theology of John Calvin
http://www.markers.com/ink/bbwcalvin2.htm ^ | Benjamin B. Warfield (1851-1921)

Posted on 04/19/2003 7:32:39 AM PDT by drstevej

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To: jude24
The question was initially yours; you wanted us Calvinist to answer up or down whether God caused man to sin.

I really didn't think any of you would say that he did. I was suprised by many of the answers. I was hoping that you guys would say, "Oh of Course not. That's not what we believe." Surprise, surprise, surprise.

541 posted on 04/28/2003 9:57:22 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
I really didn't think any of you would say that he did. I was suprised by many of the answers. I was hoping that you guys would say, "Oh of Course not. That's not what we believe." Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Welcome to the big leagues kid, Don't hang any curveballs!

542 posted on 04/28/2003 10:02:32 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (He must increase, but I must decrease)
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To: P-Marlowe
God controls all, whether you like it or not.
543 posted on 04/28/2003 10:03:50 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (Arminian: person believing the Fall no longer binds and that he can pick himself back up without God)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; drstevej
ROTFLOL. Somehow I missed this post the first time around.
544 posted on 04/28/2003 10:07:47 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Lurinking???

More (FR-5th) secrets?

Ploink...Gulump...Kerplop!

545 posted on 04/28/2003 10:09:18 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: rwfromkansas
bump to self..
546 posted on 04/28/2003 10:09:53 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel!)
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To: rwfromkansas
God controls all, whether you like it or not.

He seems to be having a lot of trouble keeping you under control. You must be a pretty pretty powerful guy to be able to thwart the will of God like you do. What's your secret?

547 posted on 04/28/2003 10:10:34 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Men are wholly responsible not for their salvation, but for their damnation. It is the rejection of God's calling that seals their fate.

That bears repeating. Everything I've learned from the Bible agrees with those two sentences.
548 posted on 04/28/2003 10:14:11 PM PDT by so_real (It's all about sharing the Weather)
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To: rwfromkansas
I take back my last post. Apparently you think it is God who is making you lie and commit all these other sins, like calling people morons. Sorry, I thought it was you. Now I know better.

I suppose we should all give God the glory for all your shortcomings.

Can I get an Amen?

549 posted on 04/28/2003 10:15:32 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: rwfromkansas; Law; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; jude24
Your tagline is great.

the_doc used to say that people don't realize just how horrible the fall really was. Just a bump in the road, they figure. Something to navigate on the road to fulfillment.

550 posted on 04/28/2003 10:17:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Free agency; I am not forced to do anything.

Look it up; you are a smart guy.
551 posted on 04/28/2003 10:21:12 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel!)
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To: rwfromkansas
Apparently she skipped over the Revelation verse that says written "from the foundation of the world" :)

Hey! This "she" is "he" ! Dang it ! :-)

See my post #515
552 posted on 04/28/2003 10:24:04 PM PDT by so_real (It's all about sharing the Weather)
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To: so_real
Everything I've learned from the Bible agrees with those two sentences.

That's the way God "raised me up" to believe. The Holy Spirit has confirmed that interpretation in my heart over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again and again and again and again...

God does not lie. He does not make insincere offers. He states clearly that he wants all men to be saved. If you have to change the words of the Bible to fit your theology, then it is time to change theologies. When all the scriptures are balanced it is clear that God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son and that God truly wants all men to be saved.

553 posted on 04/28/2003 10:24:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; Calvinist_Dark_Lord
I suppose you agreeing with a Calvinist is a good start.

Keep it up.

554 posted on 04/28/2003 10:25:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: rwfromkansas
Free agency; I am not forced to do anything.

You sure as heck think you were forced to accept Jesus. You're also sure as heck that most people are forced to reject him.

Make up your mind. Are you a "free agent" or are you a Chatty Cathy doll?

...you are a smart guy.

I thought you said I was a moron. Make up your mind.

555 posted on 04/28/2003 10:29:48 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: so_real
oops...sorry
556 posted on 04/28/2003 10:31:25 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel!)
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To: rwfromkansas
oops...sorry

I'm just giving you grief :-)
557 posted on 04/28/2003 10:33:05 PM PDT by so_real (It's all about sharing the Weather)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; drstevej
I suppose you agreeing with a Calvinist is a good start.

Calvin had his good points. "P" was one.

Calvin also liked to roast heretics. When Servetus stepped up to the Pearly Gates, Jesus undoubtedly greeted him and said: "Well done..." He had Calvin to thank for that.

558 posted on 04/28/2003 10:34:41 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
I was not forced to accept Christ; though I was predestined, I still willingly chose him because he molded my heart to accept him.
559 posted on 04/28/2003 10:35:08 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Please explain how Calvin roasted a man he did not have the authority to execute....
560 posted on 04/28/2003 10:37:09 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel!)
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