Archbishop choice seen as imminent: Pittsburgh's bishop called top candidate

Boston Globe ^ | June 8, 2003 | Walter V. Robinson and Michael Rezendes

[ninenot]

and you BOTH know that O'Reilly's "Catholicism" is quite suspect from watching/listening to his rather unique explanations of doctrine, dogma, and discipline.

He's Catholic by birth, but has a very hard time remembering what he shoulda learned in Catholic grade school.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

From my limited personal interaction with Bishop Wuerl, I very much like him. As far as his running the diocese of Pittsburgh, he has done as well as might be expected given 1) Vatican II, 2) the mass de-population of the City of Pittsburgh.

As far as what really concerned me out there, he was very generous with St. Boniface's Latin Mass group.

[sinkspur]

You and I are not going to agree on this.

The bishops I'm familiar with live in rented houses, or apartments in the chancery office, or in rectories, or at the seminary, with two exceptions, and in both cases, their houses were given to them by rich laymen.

I don't care why Myers built his house; he was not out on the street, looking for a place to live.

Unseemly is closing a Catholic school while building yourself a big house. Likely entirely justified, but unseemly.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Sad, however, that there would be bishops who were neither holy nor orthodox or both!

There is the famous comment of the King of France, back int he 1700's I think, upon being presented with the latest choice of yet another disolute atheist for Archbishop of Paris - "At the least the Archbishop of Paris should have the faith!"

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Jesus clearly explains that the tares will be cast into fire at the end of the world. This is not our job.

So do you think it is against the will of the Holy Spirit to burn heretics at the stake?

[Hermann the Cherusker]

I just got a very reliable bit of information that Bishop Francis Essex High School in the Newark Archdiocese won't reopen in the fall due to lack of money!

Many of these inner city high schools are operated almost soley on scholarships, because the largely poor black attendees cannot afford the tuition and are not even Catholic in the main. The archdioceses of NYC, Newark, and Philadelphia have financially ruined themselves in many ways by keeping these schools open as long as they have. NYC and Philadelphia were a few years ago squabbling over control of a large former religious seminary in the Allentown area that happened to have a nice fat endowment tied to its remaining open as a seminary - they were thinking of using it as a junior seminary and bleeding it dry to keep these schools open according to the information I heard first hand from Fr. Ken Baker.

What is truly criminal is the Church's neglect of poor Catholic Hispanic and white children (especially the Irish poor in places like S. Boston in Boston or Kensington in Philadelphia - the Irish poor seemed consigned to an even lower rung than the Hispanic poor), in its vain attempt to be socially relevant and Politically Correct in re Civil Rights be keeping schools open that are largely filled with black Protestants. At the very least, I'd prefer my donations for the schools go to helping keep young Puerto Rican kids in the Church by giving them a Catholic education - but apparently this is too much to ask in many places.

[Codie]

Karma's a bitch isn't it?

[Notwithstanding]

I am Catholic.

If a Catholic is required to say that was - at the time - not against the will of the Holy Spirit, then I shall agree.

Since the Church no longer executes heretics, I presume the Holy Spirit sees it as I do: "this is not our job."

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Its one of the condemnations of Luther. And Catholic principals don't change.

[BlackElk]

This touches on a major reason for the sniping. Myers is not going to tolerate VOTF leftists posing as Catholics tom undermine the Faith in his Archdiocese. VOTF includes such as renegade ex-priest and libelmonger James Carroll, employed by the Boston Globe initially for the exposition of his new religion: The New Left, but now useful as a maximally disgruntled slimeball of an ex-priest attacking the Church in every way he can muster. An example is his book Constantine's Sword piling on Pius XII on the carnival of false allegations of anti-Semitism and a general attack on the Church as anti-Semitic. When he figures out that Yassar Arafat is a Marxist-Leninist, of course, Carroll will regard anti-Semitism as a virtue. That will then be his party line.

Have you noticed how long it had been as of your post #235 since anyone has mentioned Bishop Wuerl?

[BlackElk]

Does that include Delaney?

[BlackElk]

O'Reilly was declared infallible by the Third Vatican Council held secretly by Call to Action in a secret location in San Francisco. Adam Weishaupt made a return appearance to preside. The motion was made in honor of Madelyn Murray O'Hair by a VOTF delegate, one James Carroll of the Boston Globe. The Third Vatican Council also established NAMBLA as the ruling authority of all things AmChurch. Note that O'Reilly favors "gay rights" and disfavors execution, has few objections to abortion, has had apparently Catholic ancestors. Rumor has it that he is the secret candidate of AmChurch for the papacy and that his platform includes giving Richard McBrien and Hans Kung red hats. Post conclave party at Rembert's. Take turns in the 3-Man Hot Tub!

NW: Imagine, you are supposed to be the bad guy here! My apologies for not arriving sooner.

[ninenot]

Regardless of Notwithstanding's answer: BlackElk and drstevej have already begun preparing a building and ordering equipment for the new Torquemada American Inn and Disposition House.

Your donations are accepted.

[ninenot]

Since the Church no longer executes heretics, I presume the Holy Spirit sees it as I do: "this is not our job."

Another legitimate conclusion is that "This was not our job from about 1650AD to 2004AD, when we began again."

[sitetest]

Hey, if you guys are holding an Inquisition, don't forget to invite me.

I've been practicing.

[ninenot]

Practicing WHAT?

At this point, BlackElk will serve as the High Inquisitor; drstevej will be Grand Clerk; I will serve as the hunter/gatherer of the suspects.

There is room for an "operations type," familiar with the Iron Maiden, Rack, and various sharp objects (handheld.) Please send your resume of operational achievements.

[sitetest]

Dear ninenot,

"drstevej will be Grand Clerk,..."

Er,... I would think that Steve would be the... SUBJECT of our efforts, no?

As to your anticipated tools, boy are you guys behind the times.


sitetest

[Notwithstanding]

No problem.
My blood was boiling for only a few hours.

[BlackElk]

If I have seemed to suggest that you have given any support whatsoever to the molestations in the Fort Worth Diocese or anywhere else, let me set the record straight once and for all. I have never entertained the idea that you would do any such thing. Whatever disagreements we may have, I have no reason whatsoever to suspect that you approve of such misbehavior or that you are responsible for supervising your bishop just because you are a deacon.

I certainly acknowledge your heterosexuality as evidenced by your marriage, by your fatherhood and by the fact that nothing you have ever posted here has suggested that you are other than heterosexual. I understand that you favor equal rights before the secular law for those who are not heterosexual because you have posted that. If I have ever seemed to suggest that such a political position is evidence of any personal misbehavior, again that has never been my intention. If I understand correctly (and you have no obligation to respond to this) you left the seminary upon reflection, having determined that the obligation of celibacy in the sense of renouncing marriage and fatherhood was a burden which you did not wish to accept. I do not doubt that and I do not doubt that you are happy in the choice of marriage and fatherhood and still willing to accept the orders of deacon.

I do think that you are extremely unfair to both Curtiss and now Myers. I expect that you feel that you are not unfair to them. No one said we had to agree with one another.

I have certainly put Bishop Delaney on autowhack since reading the Dallas Morning News article of last June. Is it not true that one of the priests was brought into Fort Worth after substantial prior trouble in Rhode Island? At least as to that priest, it was not merely misconduct subsequent to arriving in Fort Worth. Further, despite the prior misbehavior in Rhode Island, that priest was appointed to run the diocesan Boy Scout program which amounts to putting a normal six-year old in charge of the candy shop.

I also concede, by the way, that B-Chan who is certainly a consistently conservative Catholic in Delaney's diocese has also urged charity towards Bishop Delaney and reported that Bishop DElaney has been quite kind toward the Anglican Use parish to which B-Chan belongs.

I hope that monsignor retired with false teeth and that the dentist was able to piece his gums back together to some extent after the administration of a little ad hoc justice.

Again, I certainly regret any inference you may have drawn that I believed you to be linked with the corrupt behavior of Bishop Delaney and, if, in anger, I have actually used language fairly reflective of such an unwarranted claim, you have my apology for such.

It is as fair to criticize you for making the most conservative (i.e., Catholic) bishops the particular target of your criticisms as for anyone to accuse me of making a point of going after the AmChurch liberals. I have so many more targets from which to choose that it may seem unfair. If we could reduce the number of child-abusing or abuse-covering bishops to one and that one were conservative I would gladly join in rousting him from office. I would point out that Bernard Cardinal Law was generally regarded as conservative and that Bishop Daily of Brooklyn is also regarded as conservative and that I have never had any compunctions about going after either one of them.

God bless you and yours.

[BlackElk]

Sing after me (Alexander's Band):

The auto da fe

is God's chosen way

to purge sin from the land.

Another soul to heaven

from Torquemada's Band!