Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: SoothingDave
***It's straight out of Catholic Tradition and the current Catechism.***

Then why did you say, "so my reading is not quite as literal as most" ??? Why not say, that's what Catholicism teaches?

***No other. The point is that because of historical or other circumstances beyond an individual's culpability, an individual may be "saved" and live a life completely in the Spirit of God without the intellectual knowledge of the name "Jesus." ***

Is that Scripture or tradition? If Scripture, please cite references. I have cited two to the contrary. One from the lips of Jesus, the other from the one you recognize as the first Pope. No spin, please.
54 posted on 06/23/2003 11:54:23 AM PDT by drstevej
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies ]


To: drstevej
Then why did you say, "so my reading is not quite as literal as most" ??? Why not say, that's what Catholicism teaches?

I'm an enigma.

(Actually, I meant "most" Christians, and most (around here, anyway) are of the "hyper-literalist" bent)

No other.

Did you miss this? I affirmed that there is no other name by which we can be saved.

The point is that because of historical or other circumstances beyond an individual's culpability, an individual may be "saved" and live a life completely in the Spirit of God without the intellectual knowledge of the name "Jesus."

Is that Scripture or tradition? If Scripture, please cite references. I have cited two to the contrary. One from the lips of Jesus, the other from the one you recognize as the first Pope. No spin, please.

Scripture and Tradition are not mutually exclusive. It is a traditional understanding of the Scripture, the nature of salvation and the nature of God. I know that the Calvinists's God has a different nature, which we regard as capracious. It all stems from there.

John 14:6 [JESUS] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Acts 4:12 [PETER] Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved

By the way, neither of these Scriptures "contradicts" my position, as you state. There is no question that those who are saved are saved by Jesus, that there is only one Way, one pleasing Sacrifice. The question that I posed is that a person may be an elect, be chosen by God for salvation (in your parlance), and yet because of circumstances completely outside of the individual's control, he remains ignorant of the name "Jesus."

Let me put it this way, is salvation contingent upon being chosen by God, or in knowing a name?

SD

56 posted on 06/23/2003 12:05:21 PM PDT by SoothingDave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson