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When the Bible Becomes an Idol: Problems with the KJV-Only Doctrine
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Posted on 08/07/2003 8:34:50 AM PDT by fishtank

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To: Ryan Bailey; drstevej; CARepubGal; Alex Murphy; xzins; Wrigley
The simple and incontrovertible fact is that the AV1611 is the only true Bible, by this we refer to the one and only Holy Bible authorized for the Church of England by His Majesty King James the VI, and I, for which he was almost exploded in the gunpowder plot credit to the satanic devices of Roman Popery.

Ryan - would that be inclusive of the Apocrypha or exclusive

41 posted on 08/08/2003 6:45:59 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: drstevej
"there is some mixed bathing going on here"

I presume you mean swimming wearing swim suits.

Commuting to Tokyo and back on the train today, and going about my business in Akasaka, I probably saw more partially exposed lingerie than an ordinary Walmart has on their racks. Seems to be the fashion to "peek-a-boo" the bra and panties these days. Been seeing the occasional translucent-to-the-crotch skirt, too.

Ah, me...all that temptation, and me ugly enough to scare a buzzard off a day-old carcass.

In a way, it's kind of depressing that I can remain faithful to my wife with no effort at all. It's hard to work up a good head of sanctimony when you couldn't stray if you wanted to.
42 posted on 08/08/2003 6:48:24 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
In a way, it's kind of depressing that I can remain faithful to my wife with no effort at all. It's hard to work up a good head of sanctimony when you couldn't stray if you wanted to.

Be thankful for small blessings...I'm single, and sometimes see way more than I should, or want to...Jesus said we would have trials, but why does there have to be so many like this?

43 posted on 08/08/2003 6:55:02 AM PDT by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar...)
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To: dsc; drstevej
It's hard to work up a good head of sanctimony when you couldn't stray if you wanted to.

...a prisoner in your own body - I know thy curse -

Im so fat that when I jump in the pool - the water jumps out

Im so hairy it looks like Ive got Don King in a headlock

Im so ugly the starving dogs I scared off the meat wagon, vomited, ate it, and vomited again......and then ate grass and vomited again

44 posted on 08/08/2003 6:58:49 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
Dude, that's not good!

My problem is I'm too average. Don't have any money, don't have any land, don't look like a movie star, so they won't take my hand....seems like they're always holding out for a better deal.

45 posted on 08/08/2003 7:05:58 AM PDT by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar...)
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To: Ryan Bailey
I left Rome and never did convert to the KJV, but to Jesus Christ only.
46 posted on 08/08/2003 7:17:55 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: drstevej
Pope Piel (to be) is doing mixed bathing while Bishop Vicki Gene is doing
whatever, let's not go there now.
47 posted on 08/08/2003 7:19:32 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: nobdysfool
My problem is I'm too average. Don't have any money, don't have any land, don't look like a movie star, so they won't take my hand....seems like they're always holding out for a better deal.

- hey I dont feel so bad now LOL - I have $ & land and look like a cross between Lyle Alzado (before he died) and Dom Deluise -LOL - trouble is that when they find out Im owed rent money by various supermodels, they run away, fearing my standards are too rich and demanding

49 posted on 08/08/2003 7:29:18 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
I'm just lucky that "fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down" doesn't translate into Japanese.

I went to have a suit made (true story) and the guy said the bolts of cloth they used weren't wide enough to cut one for me.

Now I just go to the sporting goods store and have them sew two tents together.

The other day someone tried to have me arrested for a terrorist act...showing my face in public.

My computer monitor quit working. I took it to the shop. The guy said it was an apparent suicide.
50 posted on 08/08/2003 7:31:53 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Frumanchu
As I recall, the 1599 Geneva was the second or third revision (read 'easier to read'). Whether by 12 years or 50, it still doesn't change the fact that your statement was false :)

And as I said, I'll stand by my statement. I gave the reasons for my statement, but nothing has been given to show that I am wrong in my statement other than you claim it to be false.

I'll give credit where credit is due, and if information can be provided (website links or books listed) that I could review, I am open to adjusting my statement. Thing is, I have yet to run across anything to make me change my stand. From my review if the Geneva Bible, It is a wonderful source for study, and has much in common with the King James, but the king James eventually replaced the Geneva Bible, and was the standard for 350+ years. Most bibles today, no matter the source of their translations, look more like a king James Bible in format than the Geneva Bible.

51 posted on 08/08/2003 7:35:08 AM PDT by The Bard (http://www.reflectupon.com/)
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To: nobdysfool

52 posted on 08/08/2003 7:36:53 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: drstevej
BTW, I am on vacation right now and there is some mixed bathing going on here

As long as its not nekkid mixed bathing, you're O.K.

53 posted on 08/08/2003 7:39:50 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Revelation 911
Sorry, doesn't do a thing for me....
54 posted on 08/08/2003 7:52:38 AM PDT by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar...)
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To: american colleen
Hey! Wait a sec! I thought Catholics forbid people to read the Bible until the Protestants did their own translation??? Now I find out that no Bible existed before 1611??? What's up with that?

I can't figure out how the books contained in the Bible were codified by the Council of Carthage in 397 AD when the Bible didn't exist??? What were people using before 1611?

I'm sorry I was not clear. My statement is in regards to formatting, layout, etc. Of course there were bibles, or at least collections or scriptures that could be reviewed. I dont' think that God would hide his word from us between 397 AD and 1611 (which also shows I have problems accepting several of the teachings of more cultic modern day churches who claim they are the "true, restored church")

As others point out, there were the Geneva and Tyndale Bibles (just to mention a few). Some were poor, some very good. All though worked to fulfill the command Jesus gave (witness ...unto the uttermost part of the earth.).

My statement is just that if you take just about any bible off the shelf and compare it, they will look more like a King James in layout, style and format, than they would to the Geneva or other earlier Bibles.

The king James Bible set many standards that had not been in Bibles before it, many which are still followed today.

55 posted on 08/08/2003 7:54:23 AM PDT by The Bard (http://www.reflectupon.com/)
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To: Revelation 911
You win. I can't top that.
56 posted on 08/08/2003 8:06:36 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Wallace T.
I'm independent Baptist. The church I attend fals not into either your hard core or soft sore KJV lists.

We do not believe that the King James is divinely inspired. Only the originals were inspired. Even those who organized the King James say they were not inspired. We do believe that the King James is the preserved word of God.

In cases like Gail Riplinger... I have read "New Age Bible Versions". Interesting Book. Like all things though, we must be like the Bereans and test what is written against the scripture. Riplinger makes some good points, but not all of it can be taken as fact.

57 posted on 08/08/2003 8:11:38 AM PDT by The Bard (http://www.reflectupon.com/)
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To: The Bard
We do not believe that the King James is divinely inspired. Only the originals were inspired. Even those who organized the King James say they were not inspired. We do believe that the King James is the preserved word of God.

I can live with that...I object to the inordinate worship of the KJV that some engage in. I'm with you, it's a translation (and overall a very good one), and by virtue of the fact that it has stood the test of time, I don't think God has a problem with it. I have used, and still consult regularly, the KJV, although I recently bought an NKJV, which I find to be very readable, yet familiar. I consult various translations in my study, and find them useful and enlightening. I have a brother who is a Greek and Hebrew Scholar, seminary educated, and he is a valuable source when I want to chase down difficult concepts and see what the the original languages have to say.

I see the KJV-Only attitude as very juvenile, divisive, and possessed of a party-spirit, and not a biblical attitude at all. To me, it's a ruse by satan to get Christians fighting with each other rather than fighting him.

58 posted on 08/08/2003 8:35:21 AM PDT by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar...)
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To: fishtank
I left Rome and never did convert to the KJV, but to Jesus Christ only.

THIS IS WHAT MATTERS!!! Amen!

God makes us a promise:

And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
- Jeremiah 29:13 (KJV)

To the best of my knowledge, that is in all Bibles. I personally prefer the King James Bible, but the first Bible I truely studies was the New Living Translation. God's Promise is that we shall find him if we search with all our heart. God never says that only if you are reading a King James Bible will you be saved (and anyone who says that is wrong!).

When I was studying using my New Living Translation, God was working on my heart. I have since studied about the differenced between bible versions and prefer the King James. I personally believe that the King James is the preserved word of God. At the same time, the "errors" (differences between bible translations) were things that had not even occurred to me. When I was using the non-king James Bible, I was seeking GOD, to to discover errors in bible translations. God kept his promise in Jeremiah 29:13.

59 posted on 08/08/2003 8:45:41 AM PDT by The Bard (http://www.reflectupon.com/)
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To: Revelation 911
Some things are just wrong...... ;)
60 posted on 08/08/2003 8:48:55 AM PDT by The Bard (http://www.reflectupon.com/)
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