[connectthedots]

That's the truest thing you've said in this entire discussion.

I have been consistent about that statement throughout all these threads.

A Calvinist would simply add that if one possesses a true and abiding faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior it is because God graced that person with the gift of faith.

Why 'add'? I have a difficult time understanding that faith is a particular gift to certain individuals. The fact is everyone has faith. Much of our everyday activity would be difficult if not impossible without faith. If you didn't have faith that you would not get into an accident on your way to work, would you go? What about getting on an airplane; that certainly requires some faith that you will arrive safely at your destination, doesn't it?

It cannot be disputed that all men have faith. The question is, where and with whom do they do they place their trust.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The question is where and with whom do they place their trust.

And why.

Give a look to the site I posted to xzins a few posts back.

It's very informative.

[Cvengr]

I agree with your concern.

I understand the grace of God to grant us efficacious grace and a common grace, but primarily as a gift for us before we have received salvation. A mechanism to 'kick start' our acceptance of things eternal.

The additional meaning,...for example if one asserts that even after salvation, acceptance of Christ, that any and all thoughts and decisions are only by His mandate, then I can understand that theology to fail in regards to glorifying Him and studies of angels.