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Answer to a Prayer (Article on Conservative Catholic Colleges)
Washington Times ^ | 9/9/2003 | Julia Durin

Posted on 09/09/2003 7:45:18 AM PDT by Pyro7480

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:40:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

YPSILANTI, Mich. The new face of Roman Catholic higher education looks like Sean McNally, who is majoring in European history and literature at tiny Ave Maria College here.

Mr. McNally, 19, lives in Gabriel Hall, a residence for young men considering the priesthood. He regards himself as far more conservative than most of his elders.


(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: aquinas; avemaria; catholic; christendom; college; conservative; thomas
I have a friend who is in her final year at Thomas Aquinas College in California, one of the schools mentioned in the article. She is among the smartest people I have met in my life. It looks like may be among those mentioned in the article who marries young, since she and her boyfriend began to "court." It is great to read an article like this, especially since I went to a secular university.
1 posted on 09/09/2003 7:45:19 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Aquinasfan; american colleen; fatima; Bigg Red; Lady In Blue; NYer; Salvation; Akron Al; ...
Ping!
2 posted on 09/09/2003 7:47:01 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: Akron Al; Alberta's Child; Aloysius; Andrew65; AniGrrl; Antoninus; As you well know...; BBarcaro; ..
PING
3 posted on 09/09/2003 7:59:53 AM PDT by Loyalist
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To: Loyalist
Thanks for your ping, though I already included your "orcs" on my ping. ;-)
4 posted on 09/09/2003 8:02:02 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: Loyalist
excellent. thanks for the ping. in the future, the Body of Christ will be smaller but far healthier.
5 posted on 09/09/2003 8:08:31 AM PDT by As you well know...
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To: Akron Al; Alberta's Child; Aloysius; Andrew65; AniGrrl; Antoninus; As you well know...; BBarcaro; ..
Here's some exciting information that I saw on Thomas Aquinas College's website. They will be building a chapel for their campus, which will be called Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity chapel. They are currently raising money for its building. Here are some architectual sketches for this glorious structure (I'm glad they decided to build a very traditional structure. The architect is Duncan Stroik, Professor of Architecture at the University of Notre Dame and principal of Duncan G. Stroik Architect, LLC, a firm specializing in ecclesiastical design.






6 posted on 09/09/2003 8:14:13 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: Pyro7480
I went to their site and looked for information on costs. Couldn't find it. Is it so expensive that they're afraid of giving somebody a heart attack?
7 posted on 09/09/2003 8:18:15 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
Well, according to their site, the chapel is part of a Master plan, which includes buildings, scholarships, and endowment. The goal is to raise $75 million for the entire plan.
8 posted on 09/09/2003 8:21:15 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: dsc
I recently got a letter in the mail from Fr. Fessio (OK, it was a mass mailing!) asking for donations because there isn't alumni to donate YET. Anyhow, the packet mentioned that tuition is about 15K per year. @7K for the education and @7K for room and board.

Yesterday I got another mailing from Tom Monahan... asking for a donation. You can donate $10 dollars a month deducted from your credit or debit card.

9 posted on 09/09/2003 8:23:10 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Pyro7480
Bookmarked! Thanks for the very wonderful article on really Catholic schools.

We have to get behind them either financially with donations or financially by sending our kids to them.

10 posted on 09/09/2003 8:31:40 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
Well, $15K isn't really a heart attack figure.

Let's see, $15K X 4 years multiplied by 5 kids...

Okay, now we're in cardiac arrest country.
11 posted on 09/09/2003 8:35:15 AM PDT by dsc
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To: american colleen
I wish the Washington Times website had pictures, because there were some good pictures with the print article, where I saw the article originally.
12 posted on 09/09/2003 8:35:21 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: dsc
God will provide...
13 posted on 09/09/2003 8:36:06 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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Ave Maria founder Tom Monaghan is a man of faith, plans and action
14 posted on 09/09/2003 8:39:05 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Pyro7480
Looks beautiful. A style and structure that will truly suit its purpose.
15 posted on 09/09/2003 8:55:11 AM PDT by traditionalist
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To: Pyro7480
What an upbeat article. I hope that donors to colleges like Georgetown are now getting the message that the place is pretty much hopeless and are not sending their money to these new Catholic colleges.
16 posted on 09/09/2003 8:57:20 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: dsc
It may be cheaper to sell your house and move down to Naples (bet it's cheaper than where you live now) and have the kids commute. ;-)

On the positive side, you know you'd have an orthodox parish right in your backyard!

17 posted on 09/09/2003 9:11:13 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Pyro7480
Bump!
18 posted on 09/09/2003 11:19:57 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: Pyro7480
I love the sketches and the inside of this new chapel. This is the third time I have heard of this college. It is just a few hours from me but I've never been there or known it existed until recently. I wonder if they have Master's level programs?

I should check this out further. Pyro, I also attended a secular university for my Bachelor's degree. The campus Catholic community was very liberal (think cafeteria-like Church with felt banners, the tabernacle was in another room). I sort of fell away in college.

19 posted on 09/09/2003 2:39:25 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Pyro7480
God will provide...

Will He do direct deposit into my checking account?

20 posted on 09/09/2003 2:40:41 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Pyro7480
I checked out the link. They only offer a Bachelor's in Liberal Arts but it looks like a great environment for college kids.
21 posted on 09/09/2003 2:55:45 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
The campus Catholic community was very liberal (think cafeteria-like Church with felt banners, the tabernacle was in another room). I sort of fell away in college.

I can relate. My university's chapel was the same. My first semester, I went home most weekends (my parents' house was only a 20 minute drive away), so I didn't go there until my second semester. After going on a retreat with the campus group, I started going there. They had a functioning electric organ in the chapel, but they never used it. Instead, they had a guitarist and a student choir at the 6:30 pm Mass I went to. I had experienced guitar music in my youth at Mass, but not at my home parish. I never got completely used to it.

The chapel itself was built in the 1970s, so the space was used to maximize seating (using chairs that were a hideous 70s orange) out of necessity (6:30 Mass was packed most Sundays), and the tabernacle was in a separate small chapel. I became an Eucharistic minister and a lector, but after reading St. Thomas Aquinas' words of wisdom on why only consecrated men should handle the Body of Christ (here on FR), I decided to minimize my role as EEM.

We had a full-time priest, but the other campus minister, a woman in her thirties, had a very visible role at Mass, dressed in a robe. She wasn't terribly liberal, but I noticed she got sort of uncomfortable when I tried to hold pro-life activities on campus (though a Rock for Life concert was held in the basement). The priest himself was a very holy and humble man.

After being in Catholic schools for most of my academic career, spending 4 years at a secular university did have a drastic impact on my own practice of the faith. This had more to do with the fact that all of my close friends in college were liberal (only one was pro-life). But I discovered the Divine Mercy devotion in my final semester, when I was commuting from home, and my prayer life got a lot better.

22 posted on 09/09/2003 5:01:04 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: traditionalist; dsc; american colleen; RobbyS; Canticle_of_Deborah
Looks beautiful. A style and structure that will truly suit its purpose.

The chapel, in particular its facade, and its interior, reminds me of the best of Italian Renaissance Architecture, especially the work of Lorenzo Brunelleschi (who is known best for the dome on the Duomo in Florence). I took an Art History class on Italian Renaissance Architecture in college, and the interior reminds me of Brunelleschi's design of Santo Spirito. Compare the two:


The facade reminds me of the Venetian churches designed by Andrea Palladio. Compare the chapel to San Giorgio Maggiore:


23 posted on 09/09/2003 5:21:35 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: Pyro7480
"God will provide..."

That's a question that's been bothering me for some time, now. How can you pray for something "with confidence" when you know it might not be His will that you have it?

Some things seem to be almost automatic: if I pray for the supernatural gift of faith, for instance, I always get a boost. When I've prayed for understanding of a scripture, I've always received it (of course, I confirm that my understanding is correct with a priest).

But other things, it just doesn't seem to be His will to give me. I know He's hearing me, so I just have to think that the answer is "No."

I'm pretty confident that if I did pray for a Ferrari, the answer would be no. That sort of materialism couldn't be good for my soul, and God wouldn't harm me that way. Likewise, if I were outrageously sacriligious enough to pray that He would send me a beautiful young women to commit adultery with, He'd be more likely to send me a lightening bolt.

Now, as to the tuition, how can I have *confidence* that God will provide $300,000 when I have no way of knowing whether it is contrary to His will or not?
24 posted on 09/09/2003 5:37:13 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Pyro7480
I also love the vaulting in the nave. Brunaleschi's design doesn't have that!
25 posted on 09/09/2003 6:31:51 PM PDT by traditionalist
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To: traditionalist
Yup, you're right. The chapel does indeed have a barrel vault. It reminds me of a parish church I went to in my hometown (St. Anthony of Padua in Wilmington, DE, whose design was based on the church in Padua, Italy)
26 posted on 09/09/2003 7:36:23 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: Pyro7480
Pyro7480,Bump.
27 posted on 09/09/2003 8:14:19 PM PDT by fatima (Jim,Karen,We are so proud of you.Thank you for all you do for our country.4th ID)
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To: Pyro7480
bump
28 posted on 09/09/2003 8:47:59 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
Sorry! I forgot to ping you.
29 posted on 09/09/2003 8:50:39 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: Pyro7480
It's okay. I've been away from the computer (and home) since 7:15 this morning. It's been a long week and isn't going to quit before Sunday. [yawn]
30 posted on 09/09/2003 8:53:27 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Pyro7480
Inspiring. Thanks for the p9ing
31 posted on 09/10/2003 6:30:19 AM PDT by As you well know...
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Try going on tv and threaten listeners you will die if you don't receive X amount of dollars.It worked for Oral Roberts.
32 posted on 09/10/2003 6:32:16 AM PDT by As you well know...
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To: Pyro7480
Thomas Aquinas College

I like the sound of that 8-)

33 posted on 09/10/2003 10:18:30 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: dsc
Okay, now we're in cardiac arrest country.

If they work two jobs in the summer and work a little during the school year, they could almost pay their own way. I'm planning on paying no more than 1/2 my kids' tuition. The Catholic colleges that I'm looking at are in the same range.

34 posted on 09/10/2003 10:21:44 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
$5,000 per month sounds like a lot for a college student to earn. Are you sure that's possible?
35 posted on 09/10/2003 6:21:13 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
"God will provide..." That's a question that's been bothering me for some time, now. How can you pray for something "with confidence" when you know it might not be His will that you have it?

If you know it is not His will, praying for it is not helpful and will not "change God's mind.". I think "God provides" when we pray *according* or, in harmony, with His will. So the first step is to ask Him what is will is. Generally, if it is something good and is in agreement with the Church's wisdom and if you have an inner peace about it, then to pray for it is the right thing to do. Then leave it to Him. He asks that we pray, and leave the answer to prayer to Him to fulfill in His own way and time.

Sometimes God provides even when we do not pray about it. This may be because of the prayers of others, saints in heaven and people on earth who are praying for us (who may be strangers who do not even know us). Anyway, that's my take.

36 posted on 09/10/2003 6:41:28 PM PDT by Dusty Rose
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To: Dusty Rose
"Anyway, that's my take."

I agree with that.

What I was asking is, how can we pray with confidence that we'll get what we ask for, when we don't know what His will is until He shows us?
37 posted on 09/10/2003 8:56:49 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
how can we pray with confidence that we'll get what we ask for, when we don't know what His will is until He shows us?

I think that's the part we call faith ;-)

Anyway, we don't always get what we ask for, but we do get what we need (whether we want it or not:-)

38 posted on 09/10/2003 10:43:39 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: dsc
Our confidence is in the Giver, not the gift.
39 posted on 09/11/2003 5:06:23 AM PDT by Dusty Rose
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To: dsc
$5,000 per month sounds like a lot for a college student to earn. Are you sure that's possible?

No. I didn't do the math. But if in the summer a student took a day job working retail, a night job at UPS or Federal Express, and waitered on weekends during the school year, he could put a pretty good dent in it. Plus it would keep him out of trouble and from spending money.

I made it through engineering school working two hours a day M-F but not on the weekends (which I spent with my girlfriend accomplishing "nothing"). I had an easy summer job as a camp counselor, but could have easily worked a second job instead of going out and drinking with my buddies.

40 posted on 09/12/2003 4:55:04 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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