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The Rosary and Orthodoxy
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Posted on 09/15/2003 9:33:35 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker

The Rosary and Orthodoxy

From The Walsingham Way (Vol. II, No. I, Fall 1999), a newsletter of Western Orthodox spirituality published by the Orthodox Christian Society of Our Lady of Walsingham.

Some people have asked why the Orthodox don’t pray the Rosary as Roman Catholics and some other non-Orthodox do. Others object to Orthodox praying the Rosary since, in their view, this is not an Orthodox devotion, but peculiar to Roman Catholicism.

In hope of shedding some light on the subject, we publish the following letter of Father Alexander Gumanovsky, a spiritual son of Father Zosima, who was himself a spiritual son of St. Seraphim of Sarov. Fr. Alexander begins his letter with a quote from Fr. Zosima:

... I forgot to give you a piece of advice vital for salvation. Say the O Hail, Mother of God and Virgin one hundred and fifty times, and this prayer will lead you on the way to salvation. This rule was given by the Mother of God herself in about the eighth century, and at one time all Christians fulfilled it. We Orthodox have forgotten about it, and St. Seraphim has reminded me of this Rule. In my hands I have a hand-written book from the cell of St. Seraphim, containing a description of the many miracles which took place through praying to the Mother of God and especially through saying one hundred and fifty times the O Hail, Mother of God and Virgin. If, being unaccustomed to it, it is difficult to master one hundred and fifty repetitions daily, say it fifty times at first. After every ten repetitions say the Our Father once and Open unto us the doors of thy loving-kindness1. Whomever he spoke to about this miracle-working Rule remained grateful to him…

The elder Zosima greatly valued and loved Bishop Seraphim Zvezdinsky and always spoke of him as that saintly Bishop. Bishop Seraphim Zvezdinsky performed the Rule of the Mother of God every day, and; when he performed it he prayed for the whole world, embracing in is this Rule whole life of the Queen of Heaven.

He gave one of his spiritual children the task of copying a plan which he included his prayer to the Ever Virgin Mary. Here it is:

First decade: Let us remember the birth of the Mother of God. Let us pray for mothers, fathers, and children.

Second decade: Let us the feast of the Presentation of the Blessed Virgin and Mother of God. Let us pray for those who have lost their way and fallen away from the church.

Third decade: Let us remember the Annunciation of the Blessed Mother of God—let us pray for the soothing of sorrows and the consolation of those who grieve.

Fourth decade: Let us remember the meeting of the Blessed Virgin with the righteous Elizabeth. Let us pray for the reunion of the separated, for those whose dear ones or children are living away from them or missing.

Fifth decade: Let us remember the Birth of Christ. Let us pray for the rebirth of souls, for new life in Christ.

Sixth decade: Let us remember the Feast of the Purification of the Lord, and the words uttered by St. Simeon: Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also (Luke 2:35). Let us pray that the Mother of God will meet our souls at the hour of our death, and will contrive that we receive the Holy Sacrament with our last breath, and will lead our souls through the terrible torments.

Seventh decade: Let us remember the flight of the Mother of God with the God-Child into Egypt. Let us pray that the Mother of God will help us avoid temptation in this life and deliver us from misfortunes.

Eighth decade: Let us remember the disappearance of the twelve-year old boy Jesus in Jerusalem and the sorrow of the Mother of God on this account. Let us pray, begging the Mother of God for the constant repetition of the Jesus Prayer.

Ninth decade: Let us remember-the miracle performed in Cana of Galilee, when the Lord turned water into wine at the words of the Mother of God: They have no wine (John 2:3). Let us ask the Mother of God for help in our affairs and deliverance from need.

Tenth decade: Let us remember the Mother of God standing at the Cross of the Lord, when grief pierced through her heart like a sword. Let us pray to the Mother of God for the strengthening of our Souls and the banishment of despondency.

Eleventh decade: Let us remember the Resurrection of Christ and ask the Mother of God in prayer to resurrect our souls and give us a new courage for spiritual feats.

Twelfth decade: Let us remember the Ascension of Christ, at which the Mother of God was present. Let us pray and ask the Queen of Heaven to raise up our souls from earthly and worldly amusements and direct them to striving for higher things.

Thirteenth decade: Let us remember the Upper Room and the descent of the Holy Spirit on the Apostles and the Mother of God. Let us pray: Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me (Psalm 51).

Fourteenth decade: Let us remember the Assumption of the Blessed Mother of God, and ask for a peaceful and serene end.

Fifteenth decade: Let us remember the glory of the Mother of God, with which the Lord crowned her after her removal from earth to heaven. Let us pray to the Queen of Heaven not to abandon the faithful who are on earth but to defend them from every evil, covering them with her honoring and protecting veil.

After every decade Bishop Seraphim prayed his own prayers, which he revealed to no one, so that only the Lord and the Queen of Heaven knew these prayers.

Thus, we can see that the Rosary is a completely Orthodox form of devotion to our Lady.

Those who follow the Western tradition should follow one of the standard forms, i.e. the opening consisting of the Sign of the Cross followed by the Lord’s Prayer; or O Lord, open Thou my lips, and my mouth shall show forth Thy praise and the Glory be… followed by the Lord’s Prayer and the Angelic Salutation (three times). After this, either five or fifteen decades (each preceded by the appropriate mystery) are recited; and after the decades, the conclusion consisting of the Regina Coeli and the appropriate collect.

Those who follow the Eastern tradition could very easily follow the form cited above, ending with the hymn, It is truly meet to call thee blessed.

What is essential is to daily seek the intercessions of the Mother of God, so that in drawing closer to her, we may be drawn closer to her Son, our Savior, Jesus, with whom she now reigns eternally in Heaven.

1. The Full text of the prayer is: Open unto us the door of thy loving-kindness, O blessed Mother of God, in that we set our hope on thee, may we not go astray; but through thee may we be delivered from all adversities, for thou art the salvation of all Christian people.


TOPICS: Catholic; Orthodox Christian; Prayer; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; mary; orthodox; prayer; rosary; stseraphim
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To: drstevej
No Catholic or Orthodox "believes in" or "has faith in" Blessed Mary. She is human. Jesus is God.
41 posted on 09/15/2003 12:46:53 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
The Resurrection and Assumption are not opposed to each other, but joined together.

This is how many Catholic apologists have described the Protestant view of Mary - that they see every thing ascribed to Mary traditionally as being "opposed" to the redemptive work of Jesus. Nothing could be further from the truth. Mary said, "Ecce ancilla Domini" - "I am the handmaid of the Lord." Because of her yes, she participated in Jesus' redemptive work. She was chosen by the Lord, but her free will wasn't denied. She could have said no, but since she said yes, she is the highest of God's creatures, more glorious than even the Cherubim.

42 posted on 09/15/2003 12:49:28 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
***I really don't see it that way at all. You are equating Jesus and Mary in a way that is quite foreign to Catholics (and Orthodox).***

Interesting. My point is, "You are equating Jesus and Mary (through terms and ascriptions) in a way that is quite foreign to the Bible."

***Your objections are the Nestorianism that underlies Protestantism coming to the surface.***

How am I Nestorian? My only objetion to the term "Mother of God" is that it CAN be misunderstood, not that it is untrue. Mary is the mother of Jesus, Jesus is God, Mary is the mother of God. I have no problem with that unless inferences are drawn from the title that are unbiblical.

Here is the line in the prayer I originally objected to: "***Open unto us the door of thy loving-kindness, O blessed Mother of God, in that we set our hope on thee, may we not go astray; but through thee may we be delivered from all adversities, for thou art the salvation of all Christian people.***

I mentioned nothing about the term "Mother of God." The phrases I underlined all required explanation of how they don't say what they seem to say on the surface. They all are better and rightly said about Jesus.

Give me the primary and I'll leave the secondary for others.

43 posted on 09/15/2003 1:00:08 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
***we set our hope on thee***

Mary or Jesus or both? The prayer says Mary.
44 posted on 09/15/2003 1:05:01 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
See post #8.
45 posted on 09/15/2003 1:05:44 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
***we set our hope on thee***

Mary or Jesus or both? The prayer says Mary.
46 posted on 09/15/2003 1:05:45 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
I'll take the primary and leave the secondary. There is biblical basis for the primary. The secondary is wholly speculative.
I don't see it as a matter of speculation as much as a matter of meditation. For example, it is not speculative that Jesus is flesh of Mary's flesh, blood of Mary's blood -- "manna" of Mary's "manna," if you will.
47 posted on 09/15/2003 1:06:01 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: Pyro7480
I actually got an icon of Mary called Holy Protection. This is what it looks like:

Great story of a miracle attributed to Our Lady of The Holy Protection.

St. Seraphim Miracle

48 posted on 09/15/2003 1:06:33 PM PDT by NYer (Catholic and living it.)
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To: NYer
I've read that before. It's a wonderful manifestation of God's love. Thanks!
49 posted on 09/15/2003 1:08:13 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: eastsider
***I don't see it as a matter of speculation as much as a matter of meditation.***

Eisegesis too.
50 posted on 09/15/2003 1:11:26 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
I don't see how it's any more eisegetical than to call both Jesus and Mary the Ark of the Covenant, for example.
51 posted on 09/15/2003 1:18:06 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: drstevej
I will gladly accord Mary every honor the Bible bestows upon this blessed, honored woman.

And knowing that the Bible is about the actions of Jesus and His Apostles and not Mary, isn't it a little odd to demand that the Bible be the source knowing that the Bible is not the source.

When she is accorded by any church such names and attributes and accomplishments that are not in the Bible or contradict the Bible, I am saddened for her sake.

As I've pointed out, neither of your questions contradict the Bible in anyway (unless, of course, you insert your meanings for my words and then declare that I said something that I did not).

I do not mean this to be contentious, rather it is a candid reflection of my convictions.

And I hope you'll receive mine in the same light.

52 posted on 09/15/2003 1:18:22 PM PDT by FormerLib (There's no hope on the left!)
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To: Pyro7480
The preposition "through" is imprecise, I think you would agree.

Catholic theology had a penchant for precision in theological statements and affirmations yet these Marian expressions are often require an explaination other than what appears to the de novo reader.

Let me substitute Jesus for Mary in the prayer and you tell me if it doesn't fit Him better...

***O blessed Son of God, in that we set our hope on thee Jesus, may we not go astray; but through thee Jesus may we be delivered from all adversities, for thou Jesus art the salvation of all Christian people.***

That... is my point.
53 posted on 09/15/2003 1:19:38 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
***we set our hope on thee***

Mary or Jesus or both? The prayer says Mary.

Again, the term "focus of our hope" refers to Mary being in the Kingdom of God in her resurrected body as we all hope to be when the time comes. It does not mean that she is the source of that hope.

54 posted on 09/15/2003 1:20:22 PM PDT by FormerLib (There's no hope on the left!)
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To: eastsider
***I don't see how it's any more eisegetical than to call both Jesus and Mary the Ark of the Covenant, for example.***

I don't call Mary the ark of the covenant. That is RC inference without any biblical statement that Mary is the antitype of the ark.
55 posted on 09/15/2003 1:21:43 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: FormerLib
Let me substitute Jesus for Mary in the prayer and you tell me if it doesn't fit Him better...

***O blessed Son of God, in that we set our hope on thee Jesus, may we not go astray; but through thee Jesus may we be delivered from all adversities, for thou Jesus art the salvation of all Christian people.***

That... is my point.

56 posted on 09/15/2003 1:22:25 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: ThomasMore
Anything is possible with God. But this type of speculation is absolutely ludicous...

It was my intent to show that the Orthodox understanding differs in a such a manner that referring to Mary as a "Co-Redemptrix" is outside of our understanding of her.

This also contradicts our understanding of the Son of God as the Sole Redeemer.

57 posted on 09/15/2003 1:25:51 PM PDT by FormerLib (There's no hope on the left!)
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To: FormerLib; eastsider; Hermann the Cherusker; All
***And I hope you'll receive mine in the same light.***

I do. This discussion has been charitable on all fronts.

I have to run so I'll leave it with you.

BTW: I still have a long way to go before becoming Pope OR ... ??? Well, that's explained in the Fourth secret of Fatima.

Blessings
- Pope Piel I (the cordial, papable Calvinist)
58 posted on 09/15/2003 1:26:56 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
I don't call Mary the ark of the covenant. That is RC inference without any biblical statement that Mary is the antitype of the ark.
Can you direct me to the scriptural statement that Jesus is the antitype of the ark?
59 posted on 09/15/2003 1:28:16 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: drstevej
I don't call Mary the ark of the covenant. That is RC inference without any biblical statement that Mary is the antitype of the ark.
Can you direct me to the scriptural statement that Jesus is the antitype of the ark?
60 posted on 09/15/2003 1:28:18 PM PDT by eastsider
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