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Some Benedictine Monks [still!] recruiting Gay men
[Dignity Discussions] email loop/ www.benedictinecommunity.org | 9/17/03 | [Dignity Discussions] email loop

Posted on 09/17/2003 3:16:42 PM PDT by Polycarp

-----Original Message-----
From: BenedictineCommunity
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [Dignity Discussions] The Call to serve Christ

Dear Brothers in Christ:

Have you ever had the desire to serve Christ and His Church in a religious Community? Have you ever felt that because of your sexual orientation that perhaps this desire was not possible within the Roman Church? I am asking you to reconsider this thought. Our Community of Benedictine Monks are searching for religious vocations throughout many sources and , "DIGNITY" certainly has it place in our hearts to search first for those who would like to discover their call to serve Christ and The Church.

If you are between the ages of 21 and 60 and have always felt the desire to be a religious, to live a life deciated to the Gospel with those who are of like minds and hearts and to truly live out the inner call to serve Jesus, then we ask you to visit our main web page at: www.benedictinecommunity.org

Look at our site, come within the song and pictures it presents to you, listen with your hearts, soul and spirtual desire to be a part of a loving community of monks who have one goal and desire, thats is to live the Gospel Message. We then would like to hear from you. Search your hearts and deepest message of the call of Christ over the years. We then invite you to, COME, FOLLOW JESUS WITH US !

Bro Gerald, OSB
Director of Religious
The Community of St Benedict

-----Original Message-----
From: Community of St. Benedict [mailto:benedictinecommunity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:50 PM
To: dignity-l@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Dignity Discussions] A Heart Felt Message

Dear Members of Dignity:

I have been reading the responses to our Community's invitation to visit our website and to also send a very clear message of welcome ,especially to those who might feel the call of Christ to serve.

Let me first say this is not a message of pretense. Those who have visited our website have found that yes we are perhaps under the banner of Rome, but that does not mean we have to follow the directives handed down to religious communities in their accepting of candidates into religious life. We have a very open door policy to Gay men who have shown an interst in religious life. There are also other communities who also have a very liberal outlook on members who come into community and their sexual orientation.Gay men in particular have many gifts that they bring with them into our religious houses. You all know as well as myself that when God chooses someone to follow in His footsteps He does not ask sexual orientation. What is asked by the Gospel is that we have a firm and true commitment to leave all and pick up our cross and come follow Him.

Twenty five years ago I was a member myself of A Dignity Chapter that was closed by the local bishop who thaught he had a real sense that Dignity was not going to exist. Thanks be to God that the group was strong enough to overcome the challenge of this terrible injustice. I must say for me that was a turnning point in my faith and decided that one day if it became possible , That if I were in a religious community the doors of that community would be opened to be inclusive of a Gay man and his orientation. Heaven has not shut its doors on anyone who has decided to follow Christ. Christ is the simple answer to any doubt in your hearts. Yes, a simple response made even more simple. COME FOLLOW JESUS WITH US!

Thank you all for your time.

Visit us at: ww.benedictinecommunity.org

Brother Gerald, OSB
Director of Vocations
The Community of Saint Benedict


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1 posted on 09/17/2003 3:16:42 PM PDT by Polycarp
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2 posted on 09/17/2003 3:19:47 PM PDT by Polycarp ("women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness" 1Tim2:15)
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To: Polycarp
rats
3 posted on 09/17/2003 3:23:27 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Polycarp
We have a very open door policy to Gay men who have shown an interst in religious life.

So their monasteries are dens of sodomites? yuck. Wasn't Weakland, or one of his ilk a Benedictine?

4 posted on 09/17/2003 3:26:58 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: All
“If you are between the ages of 21 and 60 and have always felt the desire to be a religious, to live a life deciated to the Gospel with those who are of like minds and hearts and to truly live out the inner call to serve Jesus...”
If you love me, you will keep my commandments... He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him... If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him... He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. [John 15:15,21-24 RSV]
Somebody needs to remind this... person... that one cannot serve our Lord unless one is willing to obey Him first.
5 posted on 09/17/2003 3:33:35 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Yes, and now he is living at the Benedictine Archabbey at St Vincent's in Latrobe, PA, about 45 miles from here.
6 posted on 09/17/2003 3:34:25 PM PDT by Polycarp ("women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness" 1Tim2:15)
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To: Polycarp
I'd better start boiling my B&B before drinking it.
7 posted on 09/17/2003 3:47:25 PM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: Polycarp
I don't recall that the Rule of St. Benedict had to do with DIGNITY and homosexuals. In the Middle Ages, monks caught buggering other monks were doused with ice water, locked in solitary confinement, made to do seriously hard labor. Today they're made bishops...
8 posted on 09/17/2003 4:03:18 PM PDT by boromeo
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To: Polycarp; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ...
Satanic.
9 posted on 09/17/2003 4:30:35 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Polycarp
Those who have visited our website have found that yes we are perhaps under the banner of Rome, but that does not mean we have to follow the directives handed down to religious communities in their accepting of candidates into religious life.

Wow, a non-traditional 'schismatic'. Think this'll get much play? Nah..........

10 posted on 09/17/2003 4:47:18 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Polycarp
"Welcome to our Community. Please enter in the rear."
11 posted on 09/17/2003 5:43:19 PM PDT by Catholicguy (I am Darth Catholic and I dress in Yellow and White. Go Church go, fight Pope fight..)
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To: Catholicguy
***"Welcome to our Community. Please enter in the rear."***

of the rectory?
12 posted on 09/17/2003 5:44:16 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: Polycarp; Cap'n Crunch
I just went through the Mount Angel Abbey and Seminary website and saw nothing like what you have posted above. I guess we can be thankful here.
13 posted on 09/17/2003 5:54:19 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Catholicguy
That was sick.
14 posted on 09/17/2003 5:55:41 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Polycarp
who is their bishop? why has no one taken action on this? We Anglicans have no real heirarchical enforcement authority (yet) but I thought you Romans had a means of forcing people to toe the line? or am I confused....
15 posted on 09/17/2003 6:14:22 PM PDT by ahadams2
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To: Polycarp
This is extremely misleading, giving the impression that the entire order is pack of poufters. In fact, the website is that of a single house of monks in Glastonbury, Connecticut. I believe it was formerly known as Glastonbury Abbey. Here is what they have to say about themselves:

Our Consecrated life is guided and inspired by the life and rule of Saint Benedict. Saint Benedict is known as the father and founder of Western Monasticism as we know it today. Our house is known as a Monastery, a foundation of the Independent Congregation of Benedictines. As an Independent Congregation of Benedictines our obligation is to Our Holy Father, Pope John Paul II. We submit ourselves to Pope John Paul II. As a part of the historical monastic tradition of the Rule and Councils of Saint Benedict, we are not subject to the authority of any particular local bishop or ordinary. We are the remnant faithful. We are all comprised of the ones who tenaciously perservere in the traditions of the faith handed down through John Paul II.

This stands in contrast to what Dignity has to say about them.

I have no direct knowledge about how orthodox this particular house is, since I have never even visited there, but they are correct in saying that they are not subject to the authority of the local ordinary. The abbot is essentially the bishop of any Benedictine community, and his "diocese" consists of the monks of the house. He is elected by the community according to the procedures set out in St. Benedict's Rule (see, for example RB 1980 for a critcal edition in Latin and English).

Benedictine houses all maintain a certain independence from one another as well, though in practice they are loosely organized into congregations. In addition to a few independent houses, of which Glastonbury seems to be one, these congregations are: Cassinese, English, Hungarian, Swiss, Bavarian, Brasilian, Solesmes, American Cassinese, Subiaco, Beuronese, Swiss American, Austrian, Ottilien, Annunciation, Slavonic, Olivetian, Vallumbrosian, Camaldolese, Dutch, Sylvestrine, and South American "Cono-Sur". The Cistericians, of both the Strict Observance ("Trappists") and the Common Observance, may also be considered Benedictine, since they are a reform of the original order and follow the Rule. There are as well Anglican Benedictine monks and nuns. The congregations, taken together, form the Benedictine Confederation, which is represented in Rome by an elected Abbot Primate. Benedictine abbots and priors also participate in the Conference of Major Superiors of Men Religious, and similarly for Benedictine nuns.

Here is a brief history of the order, taken from my copy of the 1986 Benedictine Yearbook:

In the sixth century St. Benedict was one of many Abbots who wrote a Rule for his monks. He had established monasteries at Subiaco and Monte Cassino [yes, that Monte Cassino which was the site of the well-known battle of WWII] in Italy. These were destroyed by the Barbarian invasions but a few manuscripts of his Rule survived and were carried by refugees to other monasteries in Rome, North Italy and Gaul. In the course of two centuries the use of the Rule spread and it was due to the influence of Charlemange that it acquired a monopoly in the West. In this way, St. Benedict came to be considered the founder of the Black Monks of the Middle Ages, called from that time the "Order of St. Benedict".

Each independent house of the order is a separate family ruled by an Abbot (in the case of an independent Priory, by a Prior) and has its own novitiate. The work of each house is centered on the Divine Office or public prayer, recited or sung in Choir at intervals throughout the day. This work is common to and characteristic of all Benedictine houses, whether of monks or of nuns.

Normally a Choir Monk after his profession is ordained priest, once he has completed his novitiate, two years of Philosophy and four years of Theology, but this need not always be the case, as seen in St. Benedict himself.

Through the centuries since, the Order has spread to all the Continents and although all the Monasteries base their life on St. Benedict's Holy Rule, local conditions and the varying types of climate made it inevitable that certain modifications and applications would be found necessary. St. Benedict in fact makes provision for this in the Rule, the Abbot has the right to adapt the Office (ch. 18), the food and drink (ch. 40) and so on, according to local conditions. These modifications and applications of the Rule due to their local nature became national in character, and in time were drawn up as "Constitutions" on the Rule, which were approved by the Holy See.

In an attempt to centralise the order in the thirteenth century, along the lines of the then expanding Franciscans and Dominicans, the Lateran Council advocated the setting up of Provincial Chapters from which emerged the national Congregations. The English Congregation is the only survivor of the Congregations then formed, and as such ranks as the oldest Congregation in the Order, only giving primacy of honour to the Congregation of Monte Cassino.

In another attempt at centralisation Pope Leo XIII directed the setting up of the Abbots' Congress, under the Abbot Primate, which meets in Rome every four years, similar to the General Congress of other Orders. The Abbot Primate is elected to a primacy of honour by his fellow Abbots and Conventual Priors from throughout the world, and resides at the Monastery of Sant' Anselmo in Rome.

Throughout the centuries, Benedictine monasteries have been seats of learning and culture, preserving the texts of Western Civilization in their libraries, and conserving liturgical practice in their chapels. Today, the Abbey of Solesmes in France is noted for its research on and promotion of Gregorian Chant.

I realize it is popular to theorize about a "Lavender Mafia" in seminaries and in religious houses, but it is important not to tar an entire order of religious with derogatory epithets unless there is indisputable evidence that it is justified. It is, after all, very difficult for a celibate male (or female), living in a single-sex community, to refute the insinuation of homosexuality. That was the charge lobbed at Catholic priests by Nazis when they wished to pack them off to Dachau. Similarly for the ravings of certain Protestant bigots. Latin-rite Catholics, of all people, should cherish the spiritual gift of being "eunuchs for Christ", and be wary of the motivations of agenda-driven groups like Dignity.

Finally, I would mention my concern about the one-sidedness of so many Catholic posts on FR. It is not a mentality that I comprehend, but some people are never so happy as when they've found something to be miserable about. And, since misery loves company, they seek to spread it about, like Tokyo Rose. But negativity is not objectivity, any more than is a naive Panglosian optimism. This age is simply not that different from any other in the long history of the Church: there are simultaneously causes for hope and for despair. But hope is one of the cardinal virtues, and despair is a sin, so it is always better to err on the side of hope. Excessive negativity is corrosive and paralyzing. I daresay if a significant fraction of the FR Catholics who seemingly delight in sitting on tacks were to get off their behinds and make a positive effort in improving the life of their own parish - realizing that it will be a protracted and incremental battle - the Church in America would be in better shape, and their own spiritual health would improve.

17 posted on 09/17/2003 6:35:56 PM PDT by neocon (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Polycarp
That's the last time I buy their brandy.
18 posted on 09/17/2003 8:25:54 PM PDT by Barnacle (The Barnacle has spoken.)
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To: John Beresford Tipton
I'd better start boiling my B&B before drinking it.

Just be sure to seal the pot with an inverted funel followed by about eight feet of copper tubing. ?;^)

19 posted on 09/17/2003 8:32:37 PM PDT by Barnacle (The Barnacle has spoken.)
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To: neocon
Thank you so much; that was a beautiful call to all of us to remember ourselves and our vocation to charity and humility. It's good to see you. I hope you're well.
20 posted on 09/17/2003 8:58:12 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: eastsider
ping.
21 posted on 09/17/2003 8:58:44 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Polycarp
Anyone with an itching to become a Benedictine should go to Still River or La Barroux or Randol or Fontgombault.
22 posted on 09/18/2003 5:53:24 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: neocon; Romulus
I did not intend to give the impression that the entire order is pack of poufters. I suspect you know that quite well, but I apologize if you got the impression you note.

It is not a mentality that I comprehend

Then you must not comprehend the necessity of Catholic activism, so eloquently retold recently by JPII. My posts are not about dwelling on the negative but motivating the faithful to DO something positive! The motto of the Catholic Family Association of America, of which I am Vice President, is "Truth Before Unity, Charity in Truth: Translating Catholic Sorrow and Outrage into Catholic Truth."

"The only thing worse than being patronized is being piously patronized." --FReeper Polycarp

23 posted on 09/18/2003 8:25:21 AM PDT by Polycarp ("women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness" 1Tim2:15)
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To: Salvation; Cap'n Crunch
I just went through the Mount Angel Abbey and Seminary website and saw nothing like what you have posted above. I guess we can be thankful here.

Comments from the investigative reporter that forwarded this to me: "It's for real. It came from a Dignity Yahoo e-mail discussion group. You won't find it on Dignity's or the monks' website. You can get information from the discussion lists that you will never get from these groups' websites or official press releases."

24 posted on 09/18/2003 8:35:52 AM PDT by Polycarp ("women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness" 1Tim2:15)
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To: neocon
The Church Needs Catholic Action, Says John Paul II
Encourages Renewal of Lay Institution

CASTEL GANDOLFO, Italy, SEPT. 15, 2003 (Zenit.org).- Catholic Action must be renewed since it is a charism given by God to help the baptized serve "the cause of the Gospel," says John Paul II.

"The Church cannot do without Catholic Action," the Pope said in a message sent to the extraordinary assembly of Italian Catholic Action, which ended Sunday. The Rome event drew 800 delegates, representing 370,000 members and 200 diocesan associations.

The purpose of the meeting was to update the 1969 statutes of the largest Catholic lay institution in Italy.

"The Church needs you, it needs lay people who find a school of holiness in Catholic Action, in which they learn to live the radical nature of the Gospel" in daily life, the Holy Father explained.

For the Pontiff, Catholic Action is "a place where one grows as disciples of the Lord, in the school of the Word, at the table of the Eucharist."

In this institution, the baptized must find "a gymnasium where they are trained to live in love and forgiveness, in order to learn to defeat evil with good, to knit with patience and tenacity a network of fraternity that embraces everyone, especially the poorest," he added.

The fundamental criterion in writing the new statutes to renew the association, the Pope said, is that "each one of its members rediscover the baptismal promises, choosing with full awareness and willingness Christian holiness as the elevated measure of ordinary Christian life, in the daily conditions of life."

In this way, Catholic Action will form lay people capable of "looking at the world with the look of God," of "applying the Gospel to life," but also of "effectively influencing civil society."

Catholic Action traces its origin to 19th-century Italy, at a time when the Papal States had disappeared and Catholics voluntarily remained outside the political life in Rome.

In time, the "Catholic movement" relinquished its political character and took on a more spiritual character. Thus, the Italian Catholic Youth movement was born in 1868 followed in 1886 by the Association Catholique de la Jeunesse Française, which later gave rise to Catholic Action.

Following the distinctions made by Pius X in the lay apostolate, Pius XI (1922-1939) institutionalized Catholic Action as the highest form of "the laity's participation in the hierarchical apostolate of the Church."

The scheme of Italian Catholic Action later spread throughout the world. Today it operates in parishes but has a centralized national organization, divided into male, female, youth and adult branches.

In his letter, the Holy Father pointed to the example of men and women of Italian Catholic Action whom he himself has beatified, such as, PierGiorgio Frassati, Gianna Berretta-Molla and spouses Luigi and Maria Beltrame-Quattrocchi.
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25 posted on 09/18/2003 8:39:32 AM PDT by Polycarp ("women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness" 1Tim2:15)
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To: neocon
I daresay if a significant fraction of the FR Catholics who seemingly delight in sitting on tacks were to get off their behinds and make a positive effort in improving

I daresay you're being sinfully presumptuous in assuming FReepers sit on tacks and do nothing. "The only thing worse than being patronized is being piously patronized." --FReeper Polycarp

One of the victim's I'm helping was molested by multiple Benedictine priests at the St Vincent's Benedictine Archabbey here in Latrobe PA (where Weakland is now in residence.)

They are some really good, holy, and very orthodox Benedictine priests. Fr. Jacque from EWTN is also from this archabbey, and he does masses for our homeschoolers along with several of the young newly ordained Benedictine priests there.

But there is good and bad in all areas today.

26 posted on 09/18/2003 9:02:11 AM PDT by Polycarp ("The only thing worse than being patronized is being piously patronized." --FReeper Polycarp)
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To: Polycarp
Neocon can speak for himself -- very well too -- but I suspect one thing that troubled him was the thread title which seems to implicate all Benedictines for the sins of a few. Polycarp, I do not think you'd have thought well of a thread title reading "Catholic Priests still recruiting Gay Men". Well, the title actually used is no less unfair, uncharitable, misleading, and needlessly scandalous.
27 posted on 09/18/2003 9:05:54 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus; neocon; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
Fair enough, my apologies.

Admin moderator or sidebar moderator: Could you please change the title of this thread to "Some Connecticut Benedictine Monks [still!] recruiting Gay men"

28 posted on 09/18/2003 9:15:00 AM PDT by Polycarp ("The only thing worse than being patronized is being piously patronized." --FReeper Polycarp)
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To: neocon
In my opinion, this author's points here apply to Free Republic's Catholic Caucus and their activism too:

On This and That....

By Stephen Hand, TCR editor

I was corresponding with a fellow Catholic activist recently who loves our wounded Church, and the exchange reminded me of those who ask why I prefer the Internet to print publications. The answer has always been simple: I know that some writers, being, I think, hopelessly retro, prefer print forums for their articles, even though people end up wrapping fish with most of the essays they read in newspapers and magazines, and forget bylines as quickly as they appear, while the internet can make articles instantly global and last as long as the editor wishes, accessible for a day or "forever".

Activists and writers are not necessarily the same thing.

If the Internet were to suddenly go dead, if Ashcroft or some other Big Brother were to pull the plug, I'd reluctantly begin writing for some paper or magazine. But it would seem a return to the days of far less impact, immediacy, and especially collaboration with so many. For an activist anyway.

We want action. Concert-ed action. Action that can keep on rippling all over the globe. This is why TCR has always sought to help and amplify some of the best writers and thinkers (as opposed to the ones we always agree with, or their publications, which are usually a very mixed "bag," as we used to say) and paid no attention whether they were, say, politically "left" or "right," since truth, like the Church, transcends such categories.

Lousy, limping, writers always prefer to be associated with power. Such writers are egoists. They dream of cruise ships and fame. Activists write to create action. And the internet---though filled with a zillion bloated kooky egos, and "Catholic" blogs, Lord have mercy, which masquerade as thought----is a place to act. It is, instant, immediate, and it keeps on keeping on, even when the sun, having gone down on this side of the world is rising on the other side.

The best Catholic writers are not predictably left or right in the usual sense. They are radicals...like JPII ('radical' comes from the latin radix which means going to the radix or "root" of things). They pluck truth here and yonder as they would pluck flowers strolling through a field... `

29 posted on 09/18/2003 9:40:58 AM PDT by Polycarp ("The only thing worse than being patronized is being piously patronized." --FReeper Polycarp)
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To: Barnacle
"Just be sure to seal the pot with an inverted funel followed by about eight feet of copper tubing. ?;^)"

Do I have to drink it out of a Mason jar also?
30 posted on 09/18/2003 12:36:02 PM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
Admin moderator or sidebar moderator: Could you please change the title of this thread to "Some Connecticut Benedictine Monks [still!] recruiting Gay men"


31 posted on 09/18/2003 2:54:20 PM PDT by Polycarp ("The only thing worse than being patronized is being piously patronized." --FReeper Polycarp)
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To: John Beresford Tipton
Do I have to drink it out of a Mason jar also?

Couldn't hurt. Just don't let your pinky hang up in the air while you do.

32 posted on 09/18/2003 2:55:27 PM PDT by Polycarp ("The only thing worse than being patronized is being piously patronized." --FReeper Polycarp)
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To: Polycarp
"Gay men in particular have many gifts that they bring with them into our religious houses."

OKayyyyyyyyyyy......maybe Henry VIII did have a point with some of the monasteries!!!

It sounds as though they may even prefer "gay" vocations at this hell-hole. What particularly gay gifts are they looking for? Gifts like herpes, AIDS, incontinence, paedophilic tendencies etc.?
33 posted on 09/18/2003 6:03:18 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo
A sad testament is that this is virtually all over the place. My friends son was in seminary down at Mount St. Mary's in Emmitsburg, Maryland. There was enough homosexuality there to choke a horse. He was chastised for talking to one of his friends at the college (who happened to be a girl) while shower games are totlally overlooked.

In my prison ministry, I counseled one young homosexual in his late twenties who was a drop out from this seminary -- in the ACI for ephebophilia. Our seminaries are far from void of the sodomites. This is a very serious issue that the bishops are just not paying enough attention to it nor are they intervening in it. Complacency is the word.
34 posted on 09/18/2003 6:23:48 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: Romulus; neocon; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; ...
I figured out a bit of the deception going on here Re: the so-called Community of St.Benedict, Glastonbury, Ct., and I must apologize to all as it appears we have been deceived.

Looking at their websites, I figured out a bit of the deception going on here. The "Independant" homo "benedictines" are deceiving folks by the fact that there is indeed a real canonically recognized Benedictine Abbey in Glastonbury, Ct. From the real Abbey website, http://www.glastonburyabbey.org/

The Abbey of Our Lady of Glastonbury
Glastonbury Abbey
16 Hull Street
Hingham, Massachusetts 02043
he Abbey of Our Lady of Glastonbury, was founded on September 14, 1954, by the Abbey of Saint Benedict, Benet Lake, Wisconsin. It became an independent priory on August 25, 1962. The monastery was raised to the status of an Abbey on January 8, 1973 by the Holy See.





On the other hand, the "Benedictines" writing on the Dignity yahoo email group are not canonically recognized and openly call themselves "Independant." From their website, http://www.benedictinecommunity.org/ :

Br Gerald W. Pelletier, OSB, Superior
The Community of St. Benedict
Glastonbury, Connectict

Independent Benedictine Community
P.O. Box 23
Enfield, CT 06083
Phone: 860-473-5467
The Community of Saint Benedict was founded in 1988. Our goal as a monastic community is not only centered around our work and prayer life, (The Liturgy of The Hours), but the monks also assist in small parishes in our area. The needs of each parish may vary. Among the parish programs we help facilitate in are, CCD and RCIA classes. We are Lectors, and Eucharistic Ministers. Bringing Jesus to elderly care facilities and hospitals. Other charisms: the homeless, street poor, those who feel disenfranchised or marginalized by society.

Being present to those who need both spiritual as well as material goods. This is where Jesus suffers the most. Being able to see the face of Christ in all those, whom we come into contact with or who may knock on our door, is one of the prime rules and vows of a Benedictine Monk. This is called, “Hospitality”. Sharing and giving with others in all their needs as Christ would present himself, “For I was hungry and you gave me food to eat.” Thus following Jesus, calls us to many facets of community life. Retreat programs, prayer groups and to those in particular need of short-term lodging.






Notice the Independant" homo "benedictines" might be deceiving folks by claiming to be in Glastonbury, Ct. when in fact their mailing address is Enfield, CT. Maybe this is normal for the local post office designations, but it sounds like they are preying on folks who think they are looking into the real Benedictine Abbey in Glastonbury, Ct.

35 posted on 09/18/2003 6:59:37 PM PDT by Polycarp ("The only thing worse than being patronized is being piously patronized." --FReeper Polycarp)
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Admin moderator or sidebar moderator: Could you please change the title of this thread to "Some Connecticut Benedictine Monks [still!] recruiting Gay men"
36 posted on 09/18/2003 7:01:54 PM PDT by Polycarp ("The only thing worse than being patronized is being piously patronized." --FReeper Polycarp)
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To: Polycarp
It's hard to say. All Benedictine monasteries are independent in a way. The Order is structured differently than others. New monasteries are started as offshoots from mother houses. It could be that the second monastery branched off from the Glastonbury house. Regardless, the second monastery claims to be quite active in parish life and CCD. That's disturbing, particularly if these monks are not maintaining a celibate lifestyle.
37 posted on 09/18/2003 8:15:20 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Just another reason why i love the Jesuits and St. Ignatius Loyola is my Confirmation Saint
38 posted on 09/19/2003 12:55:42 AM PDT by Space Ghost
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To: Space Ghost
Just another reason why i love the Jesuits and St. Ignatius Loyola is my Confirmation Saint

St. Ignatius aside, the Jesuits are a shadow of their former selves. Milquetoast and quite a few that I know are not shall we say manly men.
39 posted on 09/19/2003 5:38:29 AM PDT by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Weakland was indeed a Benedictine--started off at Latrobe.

Got to be the Big Benedictine, located in Rome. Had some friends there--Martini, Bugger Bugnini. VERY involved with the Revolution in liturgy.

RUMOR has it that the Benedictines, backchannel, petitioned PaulVI to get Rembert out of his position as Superior General because they couldn't take any more of him--thus, he was assigned to Milwaukee.

RUMOR also has it that there were other circumstances which caused PaulVI to send him to Milwaukee.

I'd sure like to know what PaulVI had against Milwaukee.

When he retired, he asked Latrobe for a room so that he could stay there, out of the limelight; RUMOR has it that Latrobe told him they couldn't find a space for him.

So he's kind of a house-prisoner in his elaborate apartment, custom-built for him at the priests' retirement complex in Milwaukee--build with Archdiocesan money, of course.

He's the Wizard behind the screen--with the petitions about optional celibacy and priests' "unions."

Dolan has a heavy cross to bear.

40 posted on 09/19/2003 5:40:36 AM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: Polycarp
Please see my post. Rembert is NOT at Latrobe, except for an occasional visit. He's here, eating at our expense.
41 posted on 09/19/2003 5:41:31 AM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: ThomasMore
"This is a very serious issue that the bishops are just not paying enough attention to it nor are they intervening in it. Complacency is the word."

I just wish Ratzinger would hurry up and get this document on queers in the priesthood promulgated. At this rate the Pope will die before it is released and then the whole thing will just be shelved.
42 posted on 09/19/2003 5:47:12 AM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Polycarp; neocon; Romulus
Those who have hope, of course, also have a plan. The plan should include a kind of 'roadmap'--and the roadmap should include spots marked "danger."

Knowing where danger lurks--whether with certain Bishops, priests, Cardinals, or other laymen--is important.

One of the best resources in that regard is FR.
43 posted on 09/19/2003 5:47:22 AM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: ThomasMore
Complacency is the word

Willful ignorance?

44 posted on 09/19/2003 5:51:06 AM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: Tantumergo
Should be a very interesting document, indeed. The 1961 Instruction was applied to Orders--and although common sense would tell one that it applies universally to the priesthood, it obviously was ignored.

There have been two statements made on the topic from the Vatican--Navarro-Valls' "they should NOT be ordained" and a more circumlocutious comment by a Cardinal, just short of "NO!"

Ratzinger & Co. have to figure out how to say what needs to be said without effectively 'tossing' all the extant homosexuals out of the priesthood.
45 posted on 09/19/2003 5:57:52 AM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: Polycarp
I looked at the website. They proclaim they are an independent community under the authority of John Paul II, but it seems, in the light of the memo you posted above that they are guilty of false advertising.
46 posted on 09/19/2003 8:03:36 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Space Ghost
I've met some great Jesuits lately despite their current level of corruption. They are older and I am impressed.

I've considered joining the Benedictines' lay order. Unfortunately, I'm still looking for a monastery which is close by and still traditional.
47 posted on 09/19/2003 4:59:53 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Polycarp; Cap'n Crunch; ArrogantBustard; B-Chan; John Beresford Tipton; boromeo; narses; ...
I e-mailed a monk I know. Here are his two replies (edited to remove names):

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I'm not surprised that such a group exists, however I've never heard of them before. The only two independent Benedictine communities in the US that I know of are Mt. Savior Monastery in Elmira, NY (which is presently petitioning to joining the ***** congregation) and Weston Priory in Weston, VT.

In order for them to get started as a Benedictine house they would have had some initial ties to a community that belonged to one of the recognized congregations or they were a foundation from either Weston or Elmira. Given their ministry (lectors and eucharistic ministers) no one in the community is ordained. My suspicion is that these "monks" are actually Benedictine oblates (third order members).

There is no Independent Benedictine Congregation. If there were, there would be no reason for Mt. Savior Monastery to be required to join an existing congregation. As of now, both Mt. Savior and Weston Priory are under the guidance of the Abbot Primate in Rome.

This whole thing sounds screwy, but that really should surprise either of us!

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I sent a copy of the web link to Br. ***** and we were reviewing it once again this morning. It turns out that the telephone number they have listed is not available through any public directory (even though they claim to be in existence since 1988). Also, their mailing address is a P.O. Box.

There isn't another Benedictine monastery that I have ever heard of that doesn't have an actual street address. My suspicion is that this "monastery" is actually operating out of someone's home and that "they" have an unlisted phone number so they can screen the calls they receive.

The fact of the matter is that the only person listed on the website is Br. Gerald. The pictures that are shown can be from any monastery. In fact, one of the pictures looks like it might be from a Buddhist monastery since the "altar" area doesn't appear to be the least bit Catholic.

48 posted on 09/20/2003 10:39:31 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal; Polycarp
Good research and post. I should know better than to shoot from the hip.

Let's pour a B&B and chill out on this this Sunday afternoon.
49 posted on 09/21/2003 10:32:41 AM PDT by Barnacle (The Barnacle has spoken... Barnacle/Oracle, what’s the big deal? Close enough.)
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To: Polycarp
he is living at the Benedictine Archabbey at St Vincent's in Latrobe, PA

Hmmm.... That's nice to know. Whenever I want to "fart in his general direction", I'll know which way to turn. ;=}

50 posted on 09/22/2003 6:00:09 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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