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The Holy Face of Jesus Christ as appeared on the Holy Eucharist
Syro-Malankara Catholic Church ^ | 5-5-2001 | Fr. Johnson Karoor

Posted on 09/24/2003 6:27:37 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker

The Holy Face of Jesus Christ as appeared on the Holy Eucharist

Holy Face of The Jesus Christ
On 5-5-2001

Testimony of the parish priest
Fr. Johnson Karoor 

For the benefit of the believers I would like to describe how a human face - believed to be the face of Jesus Christ has appeared in the Holy Eucharist placed in the Monstrance for adoration on the Altar of St. Mary's Malankara Catholic Church at Chirattakonam, Archdiocese of Trivandrum.

 On the 28th April 2001, we held the novena prayer to St. Jude in the parish church at Chirattakonam as usual. At about 8:49 a.m. I exposed the Holy Eucharist in the monstrance and we started the adoration. During the adoration I saw three dots on the holy Eucharist. I stopped reciting the prayers and as if from some sort of an inner inspiration I just stood looking at the Eucharist. As the novena prayer was over I gave the faithful Eucharistic benediction. Then I invited the attention of the Faithful to the monstrance and they testified that they saw three dots on the Eucharist. I asked the faithful to remain in prayer and I kept the Holy Eucharist in the tabernacle. 

    I celebrated the Holy Mass on Monday, the 30th April and on the next day I left for Trivandrum. After returning from Trivandrum on Saturday Morning 5th May 2001, 1 opened the church for the liturgical service. I vested myself and opened the tabernacle. Immediately I noticed the figure of a human face in yellow color in the Eucharist. I was at a loss what to do. I just stood there for a few seconds. I asked the faithful to kneel down and pray. I thought it was something which I alone experienced. I kept the holy Eucharist in the monstrance and asked the mass server whether he saw something in the Eucharist. "I see a figure", he said. I saw the faithful looking intently at the monstrance observing the figure. We started the adoration. During the adoration we saw the figure becoming clearer. I didn't have the strength to speak anything to the faithful. I stood aside for sometime. I couldn't control my tears.

     We had the practice of reading the scripture and reflecting on it during the adoration. The passage that I got that day as I opened the Bible was John 20: 24-29 - Jesus appearing to St. Thomas and asking him to see his wounds. Though I read the passage, I could not give a homily. I just said a few words and concluded. As I had to go for Mass to the next parish at Kokkodu, I called a photographer and asked him to take a photo of the holy Eucharist with the human face on it. After sometime we took another photo, then a third one. In two hours the photo were developed and printed. In all the  three photos there was a clear difference in terms of the clarity of the figure. The figure was slowly becoming clearer and clearer. Since then many people are coming to the church and adoring the holy Eucharist, which has been kept in the  Monstrance on the Altar in, the sanctuary of the Church.

 Clarification given by
His Grace Archbishop Cyril Mar Baselios,
on the Eucharistic event
in the St. Mary's Malankara Catholic Church, Chirattakonam

 My Dear Brothers and Sisters in Jesus Christ, 

    As we are all witnessing this extra-ordinary sign manifested in the Holy Eucharist, placed in the Monstrance on our Altar for adoration, I feel I should give you some guidance to understand better this unique sign. 

    The Catholic Church believes and teaches that Our Lord Jesus Christ is really present in the Holy Eucharist. Ever since the Institution of the Holy Eucharist by Our Lord in his Last Supper, the Church has been holding on to this Faith in the Eucharist and practicing it in the liturgical Eucharistic celebration. The Catholic Church believes that the presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist is real but sacramental. Thus his presence is through the species of Bread and Wine whose substance is converted to his Body and Blood, this we believe on the basis of Jesus' own words and action during his Last Supper. Hence we believe that Our Lord Jesus Christ is really present in the Holy Eucharist. In fact it is not a new Faith in the Church, but it is a faith that has been held and practiced right from the beginning of the Church, and this Eucharistic Faith occupied a central place in the life of the Catholic Church.

     Since the presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist is sacramental, though real, it is not possible for our senses to experience it. But it is possible for the Lord, if he so wills; to make himself sensibly present to us through some signs that are perceptible to our senses. Many examples of this truth are quoted in the Gospels in relation to his apparitions to the disciples after his resurrection, who had yet to be confirmed in the        Risen Lord. But it is to be noted that the faith of the Church in the presence of Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist is not based on any extraordinary signs that might be manifested in God's own providential care for His people, nor on condition that such signs would be given to us. On the contrary, our faith in the Eucharistic presence of Our Lord is based on his own  words during his Last Supper. 

    It is against this background that we have to accept and understand this great Eucharistic sign to which we, all those who are here, are witnesses. All of us see it personally and clearly. In the light of our faith that Our Lord Jesus Christ and no one else is present in the Eucharist, the figure of the human face we see here in the Eucharist, we conclude, must be the face of Our Lord Jesus Christ. On our part we hold on to our Eucharistic faith firmly and with deep conviction. In case someone would try to explain away this phenomena on any other reasonable grounds, we do not condemn the effort. But if we cannot find any human means active in the event, it would be reasonable and wise to believe that Our Lord has given us a special sacramental sign through a special intervention.

     For us believers what we have seen is something, which we always believed. Our real attention should now be focused on the question why Our Lord gives us this unique and extraordinary sign. We must prayerfully reflect 'on the meaning of this sacred symbol. If Our Lord is speaking to us by giving us a sign, it certainly needs a response from us. While we all together pray and search for an answer, let us offer our thanksgiving to Our Lord and adore him devotedly for his gracious care and love for us.

 Address:
St. Mary's Malankara Catholic Church
Chiraftakonarn, Thalachira P.O.
Koffarakara, Kollarn Dist.
- 691 546

Kerala, South India
Phone: 0474
-402780


 

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Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the Most Precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifference by which He is offended. And through the infinite merits of His Most Sacred Heart, and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, I beg of Thee the conversion of poor sinners. (Prayer of the Angel at Fatima)

O SACRED banquet, in which Christ is received, the memory of His Passion is renewed, the mind is filled with grace, and a pledge of future glory given to us. V. Thou didst give them bread from heaven; R. Containing in itself all sweetness. Let us pray. O God, who under a wonderful Sacrament hast left us a memorial of Thy Passion; grant us, we beseech Thee, so to reverence the sacred mysteries of Thy Body and Blood, that we may ever feel within ourselves the fruit of Thy Redemption: Thou who livest and reignest forever and ever. Amen. (Prayer of St. Thomas Aquinas for the Office of Corpus Christi)

1 posted on 09/24/2003 6:27:38 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; Loyalist; Land of the Irish; sandyeggo; ...
Some pings to this wonderful miracle would be appreciated.

Adoremus in aeternam sanctissimum Sacramentum!
2 posted on 09/24/2003 6:34:27 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Catholicguy; TotusTuus; As you well know...
Ping
3 posted on 09/24/2003 6:38:48 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
O Sacrament most Holy, O Sacrament Divine, all praise and thanksgiving, be every moment Thine!

Thanks for sharing this with us. It is another testament that Jesus is truly present in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar.

4 posted on 09/24/2003 6:44:39 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Thanks.
5 posted on 09/24/2003 6:45:28 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: Northern Yankee; kstewskis; ConservativeDude; Catholicguy; lorrainer; lonevoice; big'ol_freeper; ...
...O God, who under a wonderful Sacrament hast left us a memorial of Thy Passion; grant us, we beseech Thee, so to reverence the sacred mysteries of Thy Body and Blood, that we may ever feel within ourselves the fruit of Thy Redemption: Thou who livest and reignest forever and ever. Amen.  Prayer of St. Thomas Aquinas for the Office of Corpus Christi

6 posted on 09/24/2003 7:00:37 AM PDT by GirlShortstop
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
For some reason, I can't get any of the graphics to display.
7 posted on 09/24/2003 7:45:27 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
Hmmm ... follow the link.
8 posted on 09/24/2003 7:49:15 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
The link is down.

The graphics won't display for me either.
9 posted on 09/24/2003 7:50:25 AM PDT by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: dsc
Looks like FR may have brought down the Malankara server. Ooops!
10 posted on 09/24/2003 7:52:37 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; All
One picture (probably the most highly developed one) appears here:

http://www.thekolbegroup.org/Holy_Face_of_Jesus.html
11 posted on 09/24/2003 8:56:44 AM PDT by Telit Likitis
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
How would they know?

No one knows what Christ looked like, so it might just as well be the face of, say, Agamemnon or some plummer in Reno named Floyd.

12 posted on 09/24/2003 9:44:44 AM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; ...
bump & ping!
13 posted on 09/24/2003 10:17:31 AM PDT by Polycarp (So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth)
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To: Pahuanui
We know what Christ looks like from the Holy Shroud and from Icons and Mosaics in the ancient Churches. This image matches them.
14 posted on 09/24/2003 10:21:24 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
We know what Christ looks like from the Holy Shroud and from Icons and Mosaics in the ancient Churches. This image matches them.

We do?

That assumes rather much, as none of the artists who created those images ever laid eyes on him, and the shroud has no particular validity.

15 posted on 09/24/2003 10:27:00 AM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Pahuanui
That would be soley your opinion.
16 posted on 09/24/2003 10:32:40 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: dansangel
ping
17 posted on 09/24/2003 10:37:55 AM PDT by .45MAN (Things were better in the good old days!!!! In this case they were.....)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
I am sitting here with tears in my eyes -- just from reading this!
18 posted on 09/24/2003 10:42:23 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Novena in Honor
of the
Most Holy Face of Jesus

"I firmly wish that my face reflecting the intimate pains of my soul, the suffering and love of my heart, be more honored! Whoever gazes upon me already consoles me." (Our Lord Jesus Christ to Sister Pierina)

 DAILY PREPARATORY PRAYER

 O Most Holy and Blessed Trinity, through the intercession of Holy Mary, whose soul was pierced through by a sword of sorrow at the sight of the passion of her Divine Son, we ask your help in making a perfect Novena of reparation with Jesus, united with all His sorrows, love and total abandonment.

We now implore all the Angels and Saints to intercede for us as we pray this Holy Novena to the Most Holy Face of Jesus and for the glory of the most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen. (Start novena)

"All those who, attracted by my love, and venerating my countenance, shall receive, by virtue of my humanity, a brilliant and vivid impression of my divinity. This splendor shall enlighten the depths of their souls, so that in eternal glory the celestial court shall marvel at the marked likeness of their features with my divine countenance." (Our Lord Jesus Christ to St. Gertrude)

HOLY FACE NOVENA

19 posted on 09/24/2003 10:43:42 AM PDT by NYer (Catholic and living it.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; .45MAN
Excellent post - thank you for the ping, .45MAN.
20 posted on 09/24/2003 10:43:58 AM PDT by dansangel (*Visualize No Democrats*)
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Adoration Ping!

Please notify me via Freepmail if you would like to be added to or removed from the Adoration Ping list.

21 posted on 09/24/2003 10:48:08 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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I noticed the date is from two years ago. Is it still occurring?

This is a wonderful miracle, particularly for our times when so many no longer believe in the Real Presence.
22 posted on 09/24/2003 10:51:04 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
That would be soley your opinion.

Of course. I haven't presented it as anything other than my opinion.

23 posted on 09/24/2003 10:51:50 AM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; sitetest; Desdemona; dsc; GirlShortstop; Telit Likitis; Polycarp; .45MAN; ...
The three "dots" at the bottom of the exposed Host make it look its an image of the Sacred Heart. Does anyone else see what I'm talking about?


24 posted on 09/24/2003 10:51:57 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Ping post #24.
25 posted on 09/24/2003 10:52:42 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Pahuanui
There is a lot of evidence for what Christ looked like. There is a uniformity in icons from the early church depicting the face of Christ. The is the image seen from the Veronica. There is the image seen on the Shroud of Turin. The amazing thing is that all of these images are consistent in the details of the face they show.

Why does the shroud not have validity to your mind? If it is a forgery, it is one of the most amazing in history.

Why do you find it difficult to believe that the face of Jesus Christ, who we worship as God, would have been preserved and carried down through the centuries so that we may know it today?
26 posted on 09/24/2003 10:53:50 AM PDT by Flying Circus (When the foolish man sees the face of Christ he denies out loud.)
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To: Pahuanui
So why do you need to come on here and harass us on this thread?
27 posted on 09/24/2003 10:56:36 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Pyro7480
Very interesting observation. You might consider writing it to the diocese.
28 posted on 09/24/2003 10:57:54 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Pyro7480
The lower central dot is definitely shaped like the Sacred Heart. I don't know how the left and right dots figure into it.

There may be some other significance, such as the Trinity.
29 posted on 09/24/2003 10:59:03 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
So why do you need to come on here and harass us on this thread?

Why do you feel you've been 'harassed' when I've only asked some questions?

30 posted on 09/24/2003 11:00:00 AM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Pahuanui
"Why do you feel you've been 'harassed' when I've only asked some questions?"

Baloney. You started off by harassing us.

Look at your first abusive post.

Posted by Pahuanui to Hermann the Cherusker
On Religion 09/24/2003 9:44 AM PDT #12 of 30

How would they know?

No one knows what Christ looked like, so it might just as well be the face of, say, Agamemnon or some plummer in Reno named Floyd.





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If you want to ask questions, try starting off with a level of respect.
31 posted on 09/24/2003 11:03:29 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
The left and right dots look like the hands in the Icon that Pyro posted.
32 posted on 09/24/2003 11:04:04 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Pyro7480
In the original post, the photo to the right of the one you posted shows the middle object as being almost heart-shaped. Interesting observation!
33 posted on 09/24/2003 11:04:56 AM PDT by dansangel (*Visualize No Democrats*)
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To: dansangel
Yeah, that's where I noticed it orignally. In the upper-right part of the "heart," you can see a slightly-lighter shaded area that looks like a flame.
34 posted on 09/24/2003 11:07:07 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Now I see it.
35 posted on 09/24/2003 11:08:04 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Flying Circus
There is a lot of evidence for what Christ looked like. There is a uniformity in icons from the early church depicting the face of Christ. The is the image seen from the Veronica.

That is only evidence of the uniformity of some of the images, and does not address their accuracy.

There is the image seen on the Shroud of Turin. The amazing thing is that all of these images are consistent in the details of the face they show.

Given the techniques at the time and the extremely limited number of artists, I find it not quite as amazing as perhaps you do.

Why does the shroud not have validity to your mind? If it is a forgery, it is one of the most amazing in history.

It is inconclusive as to who, if anyone, is represented by that image.

Why do you find it difficult to believe that the face of Jesus Christ, who we worship as God, would have been preserved and carried down through the centuries so that we may know it today?

See above.

36 posted on 09/24/2003 11:08:18 AM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Pahuanui
No one knows what Christ looked like

The shroud of Turin has a verya ccurate depiction of the face of Our Lord.

37 posted on 09/24/2003 11:12:00 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (It's time for Arnold to stop splitting the Republican vote and step aside for the good of the party)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Baloney. You started off by harassing us.

Look at your first abusive post.

Posted by Pahuanui to Hermann the Cherusker On Religion 09/24/2003 9:44 AM PDT #12 of 30

How would they know?

No one knows what Christ looked like, so it might just as well be the face of, say, Agamemnon or some plummer in Reno named Floyd.

Abusive? You seem not to understand the meaning of the word, or are purposefully being over-sensitive to justify using it incorrectly.

If you want to ask questions, try starting off with a level of respect.

I am quite respectful, and have said nothing to denigrate your religion or you, for that matter.

I specifically used Agamemnon because he predated Christ and there are images of him that are equally as dubious as to whether they accurately represent his likeness. I chose a fictional character to further emphasize the lack of any concrete evidence for either of the other two individuals.

38 posted on 09/24/2003 11:15:57 AM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

The Divine Praises

Blessed be God.
Blessed be His Holy Name.
Blessed be Jesus Christ, true God and true man.
Blessed be the name of Jesus.
Blessed be His Most Sacred Heart.
Blessed be Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar.
Blessed be the Holy Spirit, the paraclete.
Blessed be the great Mother of God, Mary most holy.
Blessed be her holy and Immaculate Conception.
Blessed be her glorious Assumption.
Blessed be the name of Mary, Virgin and Mother.
Blessed be Saint Joseph, her most chaste spouse.
Blessed be God in His angels and in His Saints.

May the heart of Jesus, in the Most Blessed Sacrament, be praised, adored, and loved with grateful affection, at every moment, in all the tabernacles of the world, even to the end of time. Amen.

39 posted on 09/24/2003 11:17:36 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Pahuanui
I have no interest in discussion things with a dissimulator such as yourself. Go away and learn some manners.

Don't respond to me again.
40 posted on 09/24/2003 11:36:17 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
I have no interest in discussion things with a dissimulator such as yourself.

I asked a question, to which you responded with some assertions that I then commented on. This resulted in a rather peculiar espisode on your part of accusing me of having somehow 'abused' and 'harassed' you.

If you are incapable of reasoned discourse, simply say so.

Go away and learn some manners.

You need to lay off the faux-indignation about things that haven't happened.

Don't respond to me again.

You presume to issue commands?

41 posted on 09/24/2003 11:44:02 AM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Pahuanui
Given the techniques at the time and the extremely limited number of artists, I find it not quite as amazing as perhaps you do.

The early church quickly grew to thousands and spread throughout the Roman empire carried by the apostles and disciples who knew Jesus. They knew what he looked like. Icons, not limited by geography or by artist, appear with very similar images depicting Jesus. The common thread between these people is the Church who preserves and passes on the teachings of Christ.

These were not limited numbers of artists. These were people throughout the middle eastern world.

It is inconclusive as to who, if anyone, is represented by that image.

As there anyone else in history who is recorded as having the combination of scourging, being crowned with thorns (multiple crowns actually, representing both king and jewish priest), and being nailed to the cross in crucifiction? But also, the face on the shroud is the same as the face on the icons! With this convergence, there is no doubt who is depicted on the shroud.

You still didn't answer as to why you find it hard to believe that an effort was not made to preserve a record of the face of Jesus that could have made it to this day.

42 posted on 09/24/2003 11:47:14 AM PDT by Flying Circus (When the foolish man sees the face of Christ he denies out loud.)
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To: Pahuanui
If you ask a catholic a question, you're bashing them.

You have to agree, no questions. :)

BigMack
43 posted on 09/24/2003 11:49:58 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Flying Circus
Correction: These were people throughout the middle eastern and Mediterranean world.
44 posted on 09/24/2003 11:50:11 AM PDT by Flying Circus (When the foolish man sees the face of Christ he denies out loud.)
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To: Pahuanui; dansangel; All
To those that believe, Nothing need be said. To the non-belivers nothing said will be believed..
45 posted on 09/24/2003 11:57:47 AM PDT by .45MAN
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
The same could be said of "sola scriptura." ;-)

Yours in Christ,

Pyro

46 posted on 09/24/2003 12:03:04 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Flying Circus
Given the techniques at the time and the extremely limited number of artists, I find it not quite as amazing as perhaps you do.

The early church quickly grew to thousands and spread throughout the Roman empire carried by the apostles and disciples who knew Jesus. They knew what he looked like.

That is not in dispute.

Icons, not limited by geography or by artist, appear with very similar images depicting Jesus. The common thread between these people is the Church who preserves and passes on the teachings of Christ.

These were not limited numbers of artists. These were people throughout the middle eastern world.

Let me be more precise.

The occupation of artist, or perhaps more properly, artisan, was limited to an extremely limited number of people from the general population, and the techniques of paleochristian and early Christian art exhibited far less precision than their classical predecessors, rejecting the ideals of perfection in form and technique, thus making it much more likely that images would be far more uniform and similar than otherwise.

People were not represented as images of physical perfection or in exacting detail. Rather their appearance was nondescript; their function was to represent a historical or biblical character in a symbolic tableau from the Old or New Testament. Consequently, certain facial features, uplifted hands and eyes, etc... became very common elements in such art.

Further, due to much of the art coming from monastaries, with innovation not being a particular characteristic of such environments, uniformity can be expected.

It is inconclusive as to who, if anyone, is represented by that image.

As there anyone else in history who is recorded as having the combination of scourging, being crowned with thorns (multiple crowns actually, representing both king and jewish priest), and being nailed to the cross in crucifiction?

That does not, however, confirm the veracity of the shroud and who it may or may not represent.

But also, the face on the shroud is the same as the face on the icons! With this convergence, there is no doubt who is depicted on the shroud.

There is a great deal of doubt, and the fact that it resembles some icons can also support the contention that is a forgery.

You still didn't answer as to why you find it hard to believe that an effort was not made to preserve a record of the face of Jesus that could have made it to this day.

I'm certain that an effort could have been made, but I am not certain in the least that it met with any success.

47 posted on 09/24/2003 12:16:06 PM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Pahuanui
That assumes rather much, as none of the artists who created those images ever laid eyes on him

How did the artist create the image on the Shroud of Turin? The hundreds of scientists who have studied the Shroud for years would like to know.

48 posted on 09/24/2003 12:17:38 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Salvation
What an awesome God we serve. How little we love Him.
49 posted on 09/24/2003 12:19:19 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Thanks for the post. I wasn't aware of this apparent miracle.
50 posted on 09/24/2003 12:20:22 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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