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This line seemed a bit un nerving

"Those who seek a restoration of the Tridentine Rite, often work under a hidden agenda to push through their request."

No hidden agenda, people are sick of the abuses, even abuses that are regaurded as lict. Even Cardinal Arinze himself said eralier in the year said that many people attend the TRidentine masses because they are sick of the abuses.

Look, if the Novus Ordo was properly celebrated like it is with Assuption Grotto and St Agnes, if it was properly translated, if altar girls and EMEs were abolished(with so many Deacons being ordained, one would think there would be less need for EMEs, and I think that the more deacons ordained the better to get rid of EMEs), and if the altar rails were never taken away and kneeling was still the normative for reception of communion, the demand for the traditional mass would be nill, and those who support the TRidentine rite would be literally dieing off. Sadly, the mistaken ideal of "Worshiping like early Christians" have been shoved down the laitys throats and a very agressive manner, and who could blame so many for being sick of it.

I myself do not like schism, I think the SSPX should take the deal Rome gave them, but that said, if some Catholics are suffering like they are out in Long Island, if they are in diocese that have no parish equivlent to even Holy Rosary in Portland or St. Patricks in Columbus, and of course, no convinent indults, or even the rare Anglican Use parish then they should be hardly blamed for going to a SSPX parish to get the reverence they so richly deserve. And yes, they still recieve valid sacraments.

I don't disagree with you but when they separate themselves from the main body of Christ to be more "holy" they add to the problem and they are thinking only of their own salvation and grace. They disrespect the power of God to use them or the parish they are in to effect change. It is like a marriage. If things were bad in a marriage you would at least try to make it work not just give up and run to the arms of another spouse.

The Trads effectively say that our limb of the Body of Christ is not good enough for them. They want to be another part but we are a part of ONE and so become ONE with Christ. That is where our perfection and the perfection of the Church will come from.

I know I've talked about my friend who is a Trad. She pulled her kids out of Catechism and taught them at home. She could have volunteered to teach at her church!! but instead she kept her knowledge and piety for her children only and then complains that the Catholic children who go to NO don't know about the faith! She looks down her nose in her superiority at us poor idiots who don't understand what she THINKS she understands and it has lost her all but a few friends, (Idiots like me who care enough not to abandon her), her mother is at her wits end because she is so rigid, she can't even act like a human being. Her daughter's wedding in a NO cermony was made to be all about her and her disdain for the NO Church instead of the wonderful sacrament that it was. It won no converts to the Traditional side and much anger and hurt. She is not even going to attend her own Godson's wedding in December.

I hate to say it but she's whacked! She's selfish and she's lost trust in Jesus who SAID that the gates of hell would not prevail. They haven't and no matter what she says or thinks and no matter what any Trad says or thinks, the gates of hell have not and will not prevail or Jesus was a liar.

The one thing that I have read about so many saints is that they had JOY. Whether they were suffering, whether they were pious, whether they were in convents or monastaries or out in the world they had the joy and peace in the Lord. I don't see that in the Trads I know just fear of whether the language is right and the form and the motions but what about the heart? What about the joy? What about the trust in God? What about the disposition of our hearts? What is the greatest commandment?