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Do Conservatives Hate Their Own Founder? (Kirk)
Thomas E. Woods Homepage ^ | May 18th, 2007 | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

Posted on 05/18/2007 3:31:25 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis

Do Conservatives Hate Their Own Founder?

by Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

Toward the end of his life, Russell Kirk, one of the great founders of American conservatism, became contemptuous of Republican militarism. Didn’t know that? Neither do most readers of National Review, for which Kirk wrote for so many years.

Kirk’s opposition to relentless war makes him a "liberal" in NR’s lexicon. Now it’d be kind of hard to describe the key founder of modern American conservatism as a liberal – harder even than NR’s task of making the obviously corrupt (and personally sleazy) former federal prosecutor Rudy Giuliani seem like something we should want in a U.S. president. So the whole Kirk problem is simply passed over in silence.

Young conservatives, take note: what you are about to encounter is the voice of the real thing, whose opinions are worth more than those of a million talk-show ignoramuses put together. That these views would never, ever get published in the typical "conservative" magazine today tells you all you need to know about the state of the "conservative movement": so remote is it from the genuine article that Kirk himself would be unwelcome.

The remarks from which I draw here are taken from a 1991 speech to the Heritage Foundation. What a difference a decade and a half can make: these opinions would never be permitted at Heritage today. Of that you can be sure.

Oh, once in a while you’ll still get tributes to the great Kirk, but his foreign-policy views will be ignored – or greeted with awkward smiles and a cough, if anyone is so discourteous as to break the silence on the subject.

Now remember, this is 1991, so Kirk is speaking of George H.W. Bush, not the current president, for whom these remarks could be amplified many times over.

"Presidents Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, and Lyndon Johnson were enthusiasts for American domination of the world," Kirk said in his speech. "Now George Bush appears to be emulating those eminent Democrats. When the Republicans, once upon a time, nominated for the presidency a ‘One World’ candidate, Wendell Willkie, they were sadly trounced. In general, Republicans throughout the twentieth century have been advocates of prudence and restraint in the conduct of foreign affairs."

President Bush, Kirk said, had embarked upon "a radical course of intervention in the region of the Persian Gulf. After carpet-bombing the Cradle of Civilization as no country ever had been bombed before, Mr. Bush sent in hundreds of thousands of soldiers to overrun the Iraqi bunkers – that were garrisoned by dead men, asphyxiated."

And why, exactly? "The Bush Administration found it difficult to answer that question clearly. In the beginning it was implied that the American national interest required low petroleum prices: therefore, if need be, smite and spare not!"

Kirk then recalled Edmund Burke's rebuke to the Pitt ministry in 1795, when the British government seemed to be on the verge of going to war with France over the issue of navigation on the River Scheldt in the Netherlands. "A war for the Scheldt? A war for a chamber-pot!" Burke said. Today, said Kirk, one may as well say, "A war for Kuwait? A war for an oilcan!"

Since a war for an oilcan turned out to be not so popular, President Bush "turned moralist; he professed to be engaged in redeeming the blood of man; and his breaking of Iraq is to be the commencement of his beneficent New World Order." Kirk said Bush had embarked on what Herbert Butterfield called "the war for righteousness." "It has been held by technicians of politics in recent times," Butterfield wrote in Christianity, Diplomacy, and War, "that democracies can only be keyed up to modern war – only brought to the necessary degree of fervor – provided they are whipped into moral indignation and heated to fanaticism by the thought that they are engaged in a 'war for righteousness.'"

"Now indubitably Saddam Hussein is unrighteous," said Kirk,

but so are nearly all the masters of the "emergent" African states (with the Ivory Coast as a rare exception), and so are the grim ideologues who rule China, and the hard men in the Kremlin, and a great many other public figures in various quarters of the world. Why, I fancy that there are some few unrighteous men, conceivably, in the domestic politics of the United States. Are we to saturation-bomb most of Africa and Asia into righteousness, freedom, and democracy? And, having accomplished that, however would we ensure persons yet more unrighteous might not rise up instead of the ogres we had swept away? Just that is what happened in the Congo, remember, three decades ago; and nowadays in Zaire, once called the Belgian Congo, we zealously uphold with American funds the dictator Mobutu, more blood-stained than Saddam. And have we forgotten Castro in Cuba?

And now Russell Kirk – conservative among conservatives – makes the obvious point that the loudmouths today ridicule and condemn: perpetrating large-scale violence can make people angry. Only Americans get angry when violence is committed against them – no one else!

Now here is Kirk: "We must expect to suffer during a very long period of widespread hostility toward the United States – even, or perhaps especially, from the people of certain states that America bribed or bullied into combining against Iraq. In Egypt, in Syria, in Pakistan, in Algeria, in Morocco, in all of the world of Islam, the masses now regard the United States as their arrogant adversary; while the Soviet Union, by virtue of its endeavors to mediate the quarrel in its later stages, may pose again as the friend of Moslem lands. Nor is this all: for now, in every continent, the United States is resented increasingly as the last and most formidable of imperial systems."

Well, away with Russell Kirk, then: he "blames America" for terrorism! To be sure, anyone who is both 1) truthful, and 2) has an IQ above 50, knows he’s done no such thing, but since our politicians and journalists do not distinguish themselves in either of these qualities, we can imagine their pretense of shock at the outrageous Kirk.

Oh, and what kind of leftist said the following? "Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace comes to pass in an era of Righteousness -- that is, national or ideological self-righteousness in which the public is persuaded that ‘God is on our side,’ and that those who disagree should be brought here before the bar as war criminals."

The founder of American conservatism, that’s who.

These are the words of a civilized man. I have my differences with Kirk on important questions, to be sure, but this is a learned, serious thinker whose work and thought anyone can and should respect – which is more than can be said for the sloganeering Ministry of Propaganda that now dominates official conservative media.

So who plans to be first in line to denounce even the deceased Russell Kirk as an "unpatriotic conservative"?

Thanks to Chris Rhoades for bringing this particular speech to my attention.

May 18, 2007

Thomas E. Woods, Jr. [view his website; send him mail] is senior fellow in American history at the Ludwig von Mises Institute. His books include How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization (get a free chapter here), The Church and the Market: A Catholic Defense of the Free Economy (first-place winner in the 2006 Templeton Enterprise Awards), and the New York Times bestseller The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History.


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1 posted on 05/18/2007 3:31:27 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis
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To: Remember_Salamis
The times have changed. The enemy is not going to stop pursuing us even if we give up. We can no longer defend our country from our own shores. Conservatives need to be reminded isolationism was discredited by Pearl Harbor and 9/11 rendered it obsolete.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 05/18/2007 3:35:49 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

So the author is right. You are aghast at our own founder.


3 posted on 05/18/2007 3:37:39 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Remember_Salamis
I don't think of conservatism as rigid doctrine; more of a practical approach to life that must adjust to changing circumstances.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 05/18/2007 3:41:10 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Remember_Salamis

The message: War is Not the Answer (just like the bumper stickers all over liberal havens)
The Answer: The sound of crickets chirping.

Thanks very much Mr. Kirk, now tell us what we should to. Go home, work on the castle walls and wait for them to come over the side? No thanks. Sorry if playing offense offends you and the purity of your cause. If that’s being a “true” conservative, I’m not so fixated on the label.


5 posted on 05/18/2007 3:43:49 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: goldstategop

You’re a pretty hard-core conservative then...


6 posted on 05/18/2007 3:44:08 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Remember_Salamis
I believe in defending this country first. The Democrats seek surrender. And for me, a good defense, to use a football analogy, begins with a good offense. Take it to the enemy!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 05/18/2007 3:45:53 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Do Conservatives Hate Their Own Founder?

What kind of garbage is this? Founder?

I had no idea that one who believes in obeying the law, the rules of society, manners and agreements such as contracts...including the Constitution, owe their existence to a FOUNDER!

Bullshit!

8 posted on 05/18/2007 3:50:33 AM PDT by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: Remember_Salamis
He's not the founder of my beliefs. In fact I'd not heard of him until just now (theoreticallly, since I have now only read his name, I still have never heard of him).

My beliefs (based on my political thought, historical knowledge, and military service) include the concept of unrelenting war, pursuing the enemy where they may be found and destroying them until the survivors beg for mercy and then just a little more. If Mr. Kirk disagrees with that, then I call him wrong, "founder" or no.

9 posted on 05/18/2007 3:52:26 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Any means, fair or foul, to defeat the islamic filth.)
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To: goldstategop
I think you're right. The times we live in have changed dramatically. So has technology, transportation and society at large.

We've progressed to a point that the world has become much smaller than it was 50 years ago... and international affairs affect us more readily. Open borders doesn't help either. :)

10 posted on 05/18/2007 3:52:52 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Remember_Salamis
The author spends so much time "couching" Kirk's comments that the article is rather meaningless as a representation of "conservatism."

And those commenting about what Russell Kirk should do with himself should know: he's dead.

11 posted on 05/18/2007 3:53:01 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Remember_Salamis
He's not my founder.
12 posted on 05/18/2007 3:53:56 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Any means, fair or foul, to defeat the islamic filth.)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Kirk then recalled Edmund Burke's rebuke to the Pitt ministry in 1795, when the British government seemed to be on the verge of going to war with France over the issue of navigation on the River Scheldt in the Netherlands.

Not the best example this "Kirk" guy could have chosen. Britain entered World War I because of the threat of invasion from Germany's occupation of the Scheldt estuary. The Scheldt has been a major part of strategic planning for British security up until the modern age.

13 posted on 05/18/2007 3:56:39 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: DH
His 1953 book, The Conservative Mind, is considered the foundation for post-WWII conservatism. Your ignorance of him proves Woods' Point.

Woods is a big conservative as well. Ever read "The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History"? That was him.

14 posted on 05/18/2007 4:02:59 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: agere_contra

He was talking about a previous war, not WWI!


15 posted on 05/18/2007 4:04:06 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Remember_Salamis
The world is what it is, and it is headed toward its destiny no matter what anybody thinks or does. There is only one important lesson you need to learn in life that ultimately has long term implications: the wages of sin is death, and the gift of God is eternal life through Christ. Everything else is temporary occupation of time and space.
16 posted on 05/18/2007 4:06:03 AM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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To: Remember_Salamis

I would think if anyone Russel Kirk appreciated conservatives who can think for themselves at least judging from The Conservative Mind.


17 posted on 05/18/2007 4:06:07 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley
By the way, it's a childish title for a lot of reasons, Do Conservatives Hate Their Own Founder?, something I would expect to see in the local lefty street rag.
18 posted on 05/18/2007 4:13:48 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Remember_Salamis

1st off it pretty tough to be a “Founder” of anything when no one even remembers who you are. Maybe the Neo Isolationists might want to consider the fact that this guy is a forgotten embarrassment to Conservatives. That no one even remember his name doesn’t speak well for their attempt to recycle his dogmas. Then the Al Qeda cheerleaders pretending to be “Conservatives” should wake up to that fact that Isolationism has not been a viable political philosophy since the 1930s.


19 posted on 05/18/2007 5:12:40 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Why I am not a Conservative - F. A. Hayek

It can be argued that there scarcely is any such thing as a "conservative" in America. A "conservative" preserves the central idea of his society, and the central idea of American society is freedom. Yet freedom allows new things to happen, and allows the idea of progress. What American "conservatives" actually are is progressives. And what "progressives," so called, actually are is socialists.


20 posted on 05/18/2007 6:48:59 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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