Bombs and Bribes [Ron Paul]

U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, 14th District ^ | 2009-10-05

[Wolfie]

A propos of nothing, won’t it be a happy day when the oil under those chuckleheads runs out? Then we can go back to ignoring them, and they can go back to living in tents.

[Wolfie]

Ah, B_H, the Constituion is one of those things we here at FR like to bleat about, but we’d crap our pants if the Government actually operated by its rules.

[Billg64]

But didn’t George Washington and many others warn us about becoming entangled in foreign issues (wars and squabbles)?

[camp_steveo]

There are too many misconceptions about Afghanistan and Pakistan.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/obamaswar/

[mnehring]

Is Syria, North Korea and Iran OK to trade with then, Ron?

According to him, yes.

http://buchanan.org/blog/middle-american-news-interviews-presidential-hopeful-rep-ron-paul-870

As far as Iran, we need to simply back off. We need sail our navy away from their shores. Sanctions are strengthening their extremist leaders, not hurting them. Our harsh rhetoric helps inflame nationalistic sentiment among a young and energetic population that would otherwise be pro-American. If we trade with Iran and have open communication, their people are likely to vote [President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad out, and elect a much more favorable government.

On North Korea

http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-04-06/ron-paul-north-korea-is-not-a-threat-to-the-us/

Instead of either attacking people or giving them money, just offer out friendship. If they want to trade with us, fine.

(there are many quotes like this but most I'm finding are on sites note welcome here like Lew Rockwell..)

[mnehring]

Almost as misquoted as Eisenhower’s ‘military industrial complex’ quote. In Washington’s speech, he was addressing a very specific conflict between Spain and England. He also mentioned in the same speech honoring treaties and holding threats to account.

[mnehring]

won’t it be a happy day when the oil under those chuckleheads runs out?

Or we just have the intestinal fortitude to use our own. Until then, it is naive to not acknowledge the interdependence.

[Kartographer]

So if your neighbor fails to have his pit bull vacinated for rabies and then fails to keep it under control and it gets loose goes down to the local playground mauls your child it’s your fault for letting the child out of your yard?

[mnehring]

I think that he is right in that our actions do not pass Constitutional inspection.

Yet he was fine with supporting to use the Authorization of the Use of Force in his vote on Afghanistan (not a declaration of war) of course, then he spoke against it, then he supported it when comparing to Iraq.. he went back and forth on that. I noticed you didn't bold this:

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations

Breach of treaties and truces are 'offenses against the Laws of Nations' and congress is given a separate clause to 'define and punish' said offenses.

[bamahead]

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[Billg64]

no!, the pit bull must be killed as it is a real threat.

[mnehring]

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[Kartographer]

Then I say to you that short of Obama and his followers that radical Islam is the largest and realest threat to the United States and to the constutition that we face. It it does matter if these 'mad dogs' are 'inside our fence' or outside it they all need to be hunted down or no one is safe. I like to point out that Thomas Jefferson was a staunch believer in non-interventionism, but when faced with the Barbary pirates not only did he find that in some cases it didn't work, but he himself ordered action against the pirate nation without Congressional approval first. Law is law, but law without common sense:
If you choose to remain blase or naive about common sense, sooner or later you will become just another victim statistic, repeatedly.

[Billg64]

I agree with killing those that would harm us. But, do we not owe it to our soldiers and their civilians to go in with complete force and end it quickly and as efficiently as possible, short of that, should we not leave?

[Billg64]

Back to your analogy of the pit bull. You would not approach the pit bull that just mauled your child and taunt or attack it half heartedly, you would terminate it.

[Kartographer]

We agree there, but then that makes you not agree with Doctor Paul, who thinks we don’t have to do anything, accept stay home and guard our ‘fence’.

[Kartographer]

"Back to your analogy of the pit bull. You would not approach the pit bull that just mauled your child and taunt or attack it half heartedly, you would terminate it."
But Paul says to only kill it when it comes into your yard.

[bamahead]

But Paul says to only kill it when it comes into your yard.

Well, if it mauled your child then it must've come into your yard in the first place, right?

[Kartographer]

Read the whole post:
"So if your neighbor fails to have his pit bull vacinated for rabies and then fails to keep it under control and it gets loose goes down to the local playground mauls your child it’s your fault for letting the child out of your yard?"

[mnehring]

But, do we not owe it to our soldiers and their civilians to go in with complete force and end it quickly and as efficiently as possible, short of that, should we not leave?

That should be the decision of the Generals and commanders how to handle it. Going in with 'full force' sometimes requires greater logistics and becomes a greater danger to our troops. A good analogy is one of the left's complaints about the 'under-armored' military vehicles in the initial invasion of Iraq. The left likes to say we didn't go in with the tools we needed, but the commanders ordered lighter vehicles to move quicker and not get bogged down in the sand, thus putting them at greater danger. This is something that the commanders should decide, not politicians like Obama or Paul or anyone else. Both are calling for different courses of action but neither are asking "what do our commanders think is BEST?" They are just playing philosophy games.