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To: rabscuttle385
I am not advocating for Ron Paul, but I think that he is right in that our actions do not pass Constitutional inspection. Unless we are operating in a war declared by congress the action is unconstitutional.

"Article 1:Section. 8. Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States; Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States; Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads; Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court; Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations; Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy; Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

Right now we need to stop pillorying our own fellow Conservatives if they are in line with the Constitution but out of step with our individual beliefs. To paraphrase an apt biblical saying; "if they are not against us, they are for us." This includes Ron Paul.

19 posted on 10/14/2009 9:21:01 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: Big_Harry

Ah, B_H, the Constituion is one of those things we here at FR like to bleat about, but we’d crap our pants if the Government actually operated by its rules.


22 posted on 10/14/2009 9:38:44 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Big_Harry
I think that he is right in that our actions do not pass Constitutional inspection.

Yet he was fine with supporting to use the Authorization of the Use of Force in his vote on Afghanistan (not a declaration of war) of course, then he spoke against it, then he supported it when comparing to Iraq.. he went back and forth on that. I noticed you didn't bold this:

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations

Breach of treaties and truces are 'offenses against the Laws of Nations' and congress is given a separate clause to 'define and punish' said offenses.

29 posted on 10/14/2009 9:54:53 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Big_Harry
Right now we need to stop pillorying our own fellow Conservatives if they are in line with the Constitution but out of step with our individual beliefs.

Ron Paul voted FOR the authorization to use force in Afghanistan.

An Inconvenient Truth.

51 posted on 10/14/2009 4:49:03 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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