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The FReeper Foxhole Profiles Chief Cochise - Feb. 2nd, 2004
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Posted on 02/02/2004 12:00:23 AM PST by SAMWolf



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Chief Cochise
Shi-ka-she
(1812 - 1874)

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One of the most famous Apache warriors was the formidable Chiricahua Cochise. He is believed to have been born about 1805, and his father may have been an earlier Apache warrior called by the Mexicans "Pisago Cabezón." However, it is also possible that his father may have been "Reyes." There is no certainty in this regard. Reyes was killed by the American scalp hunter James "Don Santiago" Kirker near Galeana, Chihuahua, in July 1846.


Courtesy of Charles Parker California gallery owner Charles Parker recently uncovered this painting, identified as "Cochise, 1872," that Apache authority Edwin R. Sweeney says "appears to be the real thing."


At any rate, by the 1830s Cochise was already beginning to make a name for himself as a warrior. It must be remembered that the Chiricahua people roamed throughout southeastern Arizona and southwestern New Mexico to deep into the Sierra Madre of northern Mexico. There were basically three bands: the central Chiricahua, to which Cochise belonged, whose basic territory was the southeastern Arizona; the Mimbreño people, who were in southwestern New Mexico (Victorio later became chief of this band), and the so-called Nednhi (means "enemy people" in Apache), whose later chief was Geronimo's cousin, Juh. All of these Chiricahuas were bitter enemies of Mexico. They frequently raided both Sonora and Chihuahua. Cochise himself is first recorded to have been in a fight with Mexicans in May 1832 somewhere on the Gila River.

The next time we are definitely aware of Cochise is when he participated in a peace treaty at Arizpe, Sonora, in 1836. He may have then settled in the Peloncillo Mountains, just north of Janos, Chihuahua, in 1842 or 1843. The peace did not last long. From 1847 on, Sonora was laid waste by the central band of Chiricahuas, at that time led by "Miguel Narbona." Cochise was in this band. Narbona died in 1856.


This illustration of Cochise is taken from Samuel Cozzen's "The Marvelous Country," a report of his trip through Apacheria, begun in 1858. No photograph of the great Chiricahua chief is known to exist.


In 1859 Indian agent Michael Steck found Cochise to be friendly to Americans. Cochise hoped that the Americans would be helpful in his opposition to the Mexicans. However, there was an unfortunate incident in 1861 that was to end that prospect forever. On 27 January 1861 a young boy (later known as Mickey Free) was taken captive by Apaches from his home in southern Arizona. Cochise claimed the boy was taken by "Coyoteros" (White Mountain Apaches), or Pinal Apaches. But, some historians believe he was actually taken by Cochise's band. At any rate, a U.S. army officer, George Bascom, was dispatched to return the boy. Cochise was taken prisoner, but he escaped. Consequently, Bascom had six Indians hung. As a result, Cochise then killed four whites. Bitter warfare ensued. Within 60 days 150 whites were killed, and 5 stage stations were destroyed (the Butterfield stage line, contracted by the U.S. government in 1857, carried mail across southern Arizona). When the California Volunteers under Carleton reached the Chiricahua area (Apache Pass, Arizona) in July 1862, Cochise also threatened them. It was only after Carleton fired his howitzers at the Apaches that they retreated (Battle of Apache Pass, 15 July 1862).

Cochise's war continued until 1867, when a white man by the name of Thomas Jeffords fearlessly rode into Cochise's camp to converse with him. It was from this incident that the famous story "Broken Arrow" was taken. Jeffords was truly a remarkable individual. It has been hard for historians to understand just what kind of person he really was. Some consider him almost a scoundrel, while others feel he was just "a right person at the right time." Thomas J. Jeffords, government superintendent of the mails from Ft. Bowie to Tucson, walked into Cochise's camp to plead for the safety of his mail carriers, which Cochise granted, and thereafter the two men became close friends.



In 1869 Henry Clay Hooker, a contract supplier of beef to reservations, was surrounded by Apache warriors and boldly rode into Cochise's camp; there Cochise entertained him and returned his guns, and Hooker was allowed to depart in peace. When he evinced surprise at this treatment, Cochise said he had not been killed because he was supplying beef eaten by Indians.

In September 1870 Cochise went to Fort Apache and conversed with Army officers there. In 1872 he also talked with General Oliver Otis Howard in the Dragoon Mountains (Cochise's "stronghold"). It was at this time that Howard agreed that the Chiricahuas should have a reservation, which covered nearly all of southeastern Arizona, south of Fort Bowie. For a short time peace was maintained, while Jeffords was agent at Fort Bowie. In 1874, however, Cochise died, probably from cancer. It is believed that he was buried somewhere in the Dragoons, and the only white man to know where was Thomas Jeffords. Jeffords, however, never divulged the location. He was faithful to Cochise's memory to the last.


Wife of Cochise


In 1876 the Chiricahua's reservation was terminated, and the people were supposed to move to San Carlos. Some did move, but many escaped to the Mimbreños at Warm Springs, New Mexico, or Mexico. Later, the Chiricahuas suffered captivity with their leader, Naiche, and Geronimo. The few remaining Chiricahuas eventually settled in Oklahoma and New Mexico, where their descendants live to this day. (There are also a few Chiricahua descendants who still live on the San Carlos Reservation, and probably also on the White Mountain Reservation.)

The best book, unquestionably, to read about Cochise is: Sweeney, Edwin R. Cochise, Chiricahua Apache Chief. Norman: Univ. of Oklahoma, 1991.



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Cochise and the Bascom Affair


When God made the world he gave one part to the white man and another to the Apache. Why was it? Why did they come together?… The white people have looked for me long. I am here! What do they want? They have looked for me long; why am I worth so much?


Artist's rendering of Cochise


Cochise, chief of the Chokonen band of the Chiricahua Apaches, statement made during peace talks with General Gordon Granger, 1866. From Peter Nabokov’s book Native American Testimony

Seeds of War


On January 27, 1861, Coyotero Apaches raided John Ward’s squalid ranch headquarters on Sonoita Creek, some 11 miles southwest of Fort Buchanan, in southeastern Arizona’s broken and arid basin and range country. They ran off 20 head of Ward’s cattle and abducted his Mexican mistress’ 12-year old red-haired and one-eyed son, Mickey Free.

Ward, a drunk according to some and "in all respects, a worthless character," according to T. E. Farish in his History of Arizona, reported the raid to the Fort Buchanan commanding officer, Lieutenant Colonel Pitcain Morrison. Ward, some said, seemed more worried about the loss of his livestock than the whereabouts of Mickey Free. Ward blamed the raid, not on the Coyotero Apaches, but on the Chiricahua Apaches, specifically, Cochise’s band of Chokonens.

The next morning, Morrison, a seasoned officer who may have been more concerned about the nation’s emerging Civil War in the east than in Ward’s losses in Arizona, dispatched an inexperienced 24-year old second lieutenant, George N. Bascom, with a detachment of troopers on a reconnaissance of Ward’s ranch. Bascom, who had graduated next to the bottom of the U. S. Military Academy’s class of 1858, had arrived in Arizona only some three months earlier. He knew little if anything about Apaches, which was a dangerous thing, especially when dealing with the Chiricahuas. Charles D. Poston, the "Father of Arizona," said that Bascom, who wore a beard to mask his youth, "was a fine looking fellow, a Kentuckian, a West Pointer, and of course, a gentleman, but he was unfortunately a fool…"


2nd Lt. George Nicholas Bascom


On the evening of January 28, the young Bascom and his detachment returned to Fort Buchanan. He reported to his commanding officer that the tracks of the raiders’ ponies led eastward from Ward’s ranch toward the Chiricahua Mountains, he assumed, the home range of Cochise and his band. Bascom’s evidence seemed to point to the Chokonens. Ward, the officers concluded, must have been right in his accusation.

Strike a Blow


According to Ed Sweeney in his fine book Cochise, Chiricahua Apache Chief, Morrison decided to fulfill the Army’s resolve "to pursue and if possible chastise such marauding parties…" He would "strike a blow." The next morning, January 29, Morrison dispatched Bascom eastward toward Apache Pass, the ancient trail between the Chiricahua and Dos Cabezas mountain ranges and the heart of Cochise’s territory. He gave Bascom a force of 54 newly arrived, mounted troopers plus an interpreter named Antonio. A inexperienced officer would lead inexperienced men. Morrison ordered Bascom to "pursue the Indians and recover a boy…, demand the immediate restoration of the stolen property…, and [if necessary] use the force under his orders…" John Ward rode with Bascom’s party.

Meanwhile, Cochise, for the moment unaware of either the raid at Ward’s ranch or of the approach of Bascom’s forces, had taken winter camp with his Chonoken band in the pine and oak country at the north end of the Chiricahua Mountains, close to Apache Pass. The camp, or "rancheria" as Apache camps were called, lay near one of the way stations for John Butterfield’s Overland Mail stagecoach service and near Apache Springs, the only year-round water source in the region.

Cochise’s Chonoken band had been forged as a people by the Chiricahua Mountains, a home range which the pioneering anthropologist and historian Adolph Bandelier described as "a formidable chain, and terribly rugged, abrupt ledges, cut up and twisted, pinnacles, crags, and precipices." The products of a hard life in a hard land, Cochise and his Chonokens gave new dimensions to the terms "warrior," "raider," "ambush," "vigilance," "endurance," "naturalist" and "tracker." They represented the core – the flint heart – of all the Chiricahuas, whom the western journalist Charles Lummis called, "The deadliest Fighting Handful in the calendar of Man," during his coverage of the Apache wars in 1886.



Cochise, probably about 50 years old in that winter of 1861, "towered over other [Chiricahua] leaders," according to Sweeney.

Born into leadership and imbued with charisma, "Cochise became chief of the [Chonokens] by election when he was a very young man," Asa Daklugie, son of Juh, another Chiricahua chief, told Eve Ball in an interview for her book An Apache Odyssey: Indeh. "That meant that his ability as a fighting man was well established and that he was respected by his people. But a chief’s election was just the first step toward ruling his people. If challenged for his position, he must fight for it… Moreover, the chief was responsible for not only their safety but for supplies of food, clothing, and weapons and for transportation. All of these things Cochise provided."

In his chronicle about an 1872 peace conference with Cochise ("Making Peace with Cochise," Bisbee, Arizona, Mining and Historical Museum), Captain J. A. Sladen said that the chief "was a remarkably fine looking man fully six feet tall, as straight as an arrow, and well proportioned, the typical Indian face, rather long, high cheek bones, clear keen eye, and a Roman nose. His cheeks were slightly painted with vermillion (sic)… A yellow silk handkerchief bound his hair, which was straight and black, with just a touch of silver… He carried himself at all times with great dignity, and was always treated by those about him with the utmost respect and, at times, fear."

Moreover, he had a profound sense of honor. "Cochise was very proud of making his word good…," said Daklugie. "Apaches hated liars."

Cochise’s scouts almost certainly watched Bascom’s column of troopers, all mounted on mules, as they approached Apache Pass. Cochise would, without doubt, have been alerted, but he felt little concern. Army detachments routinely crossed the pass, often in escort of wagon traffic, stopping for water at Apache Springs. Cochise certainly had no reason to anticipate a showdown or any attempt by the blue-uniformed soldiers to strike a blow. He and his band raided, not in the United States, but primarily in Mexico, where he hated the people who had put bounties on the scalps of his men, women and children.


In 1869, the Chiracahua Apaches, led by Cochise, held of U.S. Troops atop this hill.


Bascom, A Sheep in Wolf’s Clothing vs Cochise, A Wolf in Wolf’s Clothing On Sunday, February 3, 1861, Bascom led his force into Apache Pass, where he encountered a detachment of 13 troopers who were returning west after wagon train escort duty. Bascom received a briefing from Sergeant Daniel Robinson, commander of the escort, about the location of Cochise’s rancheria. Bascom joined Robinson’s troops to his own, bringing the total number to 67, plus the interpreter Antonio and the rancher John Ward.

Bascom’s reinforced column crossed the mile-high west summit of Apache Pass and followed the trail eastward to Butterfield’s stagecoach way station, where he met Charles W. Culver, the station keeper, and James F. Wallace, a stagecoach driver. Bascom learned that they both knew Cochise. While his men and their animals watered at Apache Springs, Bascom told Culver that he was en route to the Rio Grande—deliberately misleading information which he hoped would reach Cochise and eliminate any possible suspicions. Meanwhile, he sent word to Cochise’s rancheria, calling for a parley. Bascom then moved his force about a mile beyond the stage station, pitching tents and making camp on the right bank of the trail. He waited for Cochise.

Early the next afternoon, he still waited. Impatient, he rode back to the stage station. He persuaded a reluctant James Wallace to go to Cochise’s rancheria to reiterate the call for a parley. In the early evening, the chief finally appeared with a small party at Bascom’s camp. John Ward said, "There comes Cochise," hoping the prospect for recovering his cattle and the boy Mickey Free came, too. The chief apparently felt no anxiety about the meeting. He only brought three warriors, all close relatives. He brought his wife. He even brought two of their children. He believed that the Bascom column was simply crossing on routine patrol through Apache Pass to the east. He may have been told by Wallace or station master Culver that the soldiers were headed for the Rio Grande. He had no idea that he would be called to account for the raid at John Ward’s ranch. He regarded the parley as a social gathering.

Greetings done, the raw young Bascom invited the distinguished, but unsuspecting, Cochise and his warriors to step inside a tent. Now begins a story which has been told and re-told and embroidered around Apache campfires and in EuroAmerican ink for generations, with a consequent blurring of the truth.



Apparently what happened, however, is that with a signal from John Ward, Bascom’s soldiers quietly surrounded the tent. Inside, Bascom – through his interpreter, Antonio – began to interrogate Cochise about the raid. Cochise soon realized that Bascom had come, not on a routine patrol to the east or the Rio Grande, but specifically to demand the return of Ward’s cattle and the boy Mickey Free. Cochise had been deceived. Bascom had lied about his purpose and destination. ("Apaches hated liars," Daklugie said.) Bascom, convinced by Ward and by the initial investigation, of Cochise’s guilt, apparently accused the Chonoken band of the raid. Offended, Cochise rejected the accusation. The persistent young Bascom accused Cochise of lying. ("Cochise was very proud of making his word good…," said Daklugie.) Undoubtedly offended by this green second lieutenant, Cochise nevertheless offered to go to the Coyotero Apaches – 80 or 100 miles away – and try to persuade them to return Mickey Free. Bascom, in his ignorance of the Apaches and their separate and independent bands, apparently thought that Cochise had the authority to simply order another band to return the boy. Bascom – aware that his soldiers surrounded the tent – declared that he would hold Cochise, his warrior relatives, and his wife and children hostage until the chief returned John Ward’s cattle and Mickey Free.

Quick as a startled antelope, Cochise snatched a knife from its case, sliced through the canvas tent wall, and burst through the opening, with his warrior and relative Coyuntura immediately behind. Bascom screamed, "Shoot them down!" Cochise raced past the inexperienced and startled soldiers and toward the mountains. Coyuntura stumbled and fell, and the soldiers found presence of mind enough to capture him. John Ward, seeing his opportunity to recover his losses disappearing into the gathering darkness, fired his weapon at Cochise. Soldiers, recovering their wits, fired dozens of wild shots in the general direction of the fleeing form. Only a single ball found its mark, inflicting a minor wound in Cochise’s leg. While Cochise escaped, Bascom still held the family members, now prisoners.

"This affair became known to the Apaches as ‘Cut Through the Tent,’" said the old warrior Jason Betzinez in his autobiography I Fought With Geronimo. "…it aroused much indignation and interest even on the part of the Apaches of bands distant from the Chiricahua country."

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The Dogs of War


In ways which lay beyond Bascom’s comprehension, the dogs of war were about to slip their leashes.

Within an hour after his escape, said Sweeney, who gives the best account of the events over the next few days, Cochise appeared at the crest of a hill, asking about his warrior and relative Coyuntura. Apparently in a show of anger, Bascom responded with a volley of fire. Cochise disappeared. Bascom, sensing an impending siege, moved his force back to the stagecoach station, where he could capitalize on the protection of stone walls. Apache campfires burned on nearby peaks through the night.


Infamous Apache Pass, 1868


The next morning, Bascom and Cochise met on neutral ground to negotiate. The stubborn Bascom demanded the return of Mickey Free. Cochise demanded the release of his family. Gunfire ended the parley. Shooting from both sides would continue intermittently throughout the day. The Apaches captured the stagecoach driver Wallace. Darkness fell. Apaches campfires again burned through the night, this time to the accompaniment of the drums of war. Bascom sent for reinforcements from Fort Buchanan.

The next morning, Cochise made one more effort to keep the peace. He brought Wallace, arms bound, to the crest of a hill. Cochise asked for his family back in exchange for the stagecoach driver. The hard-headed Bascom, defying advice from his own troopers to make the trade, rejected the offer and again demanded the return of Mickey Free. After all, he had his orders from Lieutenant Colonel Morrison:

"pursue the Indians and recover a boy…, demand the immediate restoration of the stolen property…, and use the force under his orders…"

He meant to carry out those orders even if Mickey Free was 100 miles away, in the hands of another Apache band.



The next day, February 6, Cochise upped the ante. He captured a wagon train, which happened to be on the trail through the pass a couple of miles to the west of the stagecoach station. He stole the draft animals and burned the wagons. He tortured, then killed nine hated Mexicans. He captured three Americans, whom he meant to add to the offer he would exchange for his family. He sent Bascom a note, written by Wallace, with the new terms. Meanwhile, he sent his band’s women and children south, deep into the Chiricahua Mountains, out of harms way. He received reinforcements (including the warrior Geronimo) from other Chiricahua bands. The next evening, February 7, having gotten no response from Bascom to offers for exchange, Cochise tried but failed to capture a stagecoach and take still more captives. He had meant to up the ante again. He would have use the captives he had as collateral for negotiations. Deep into the night, while snow fell, the Apaches danced around their campfires and prepared for battle.

The next day, February 8, Cochise struck, first at Apache Springs, where several soldiers had been detailed to water the mounts. He drove off all of Bascom’s animals. Both sides inflicted several casualties. Cochise threatened the stagecoach station, but he could see that Bascom’s guns would inevitably kill many warriors. He learned that fresh troopers would soon reinforce Bascom. Seeing no hope for more negotiations and giving up on recovering his family, Cochise withdrew. He tortured and killed his four American captives, leaving their mutilated bodies to taunt Bascom and the Americans. He then dispersed his forces, though not his fury. There would be another day.

Bascom hunkered down, not even sending out scouts, while he awaited reinforcements. The new forces began arriving on St. Valentine’s Day, with one detachment bringing three Apache warriors (probably Coyoteros) captured en route. Bascom now held six warriors, including Cochise’s relatives, and he still held Cochise’s wife and children.



On February 16th and 17th, "…troops were sent out to search for us," said Geronimo, "but as we had disbanded, it was, of course, impossible for them to locate any hostile camp. …while they searched we watched them from our hiding places and laughed at their failures."

On February 18, troops saw circling turkey vultures, which led them to the bodies of Cochise’s four captives, "riddled with lance holes," according to an officer named Irwin. In anguish and fury, the soldiers buried their fellow Americans under four oak trees.

Realizing that Cochise had given up the fight and dispersed into the mountains, Bascom assigned a small detachment to guard the stagecoach station, and he and the other forces left, heading west, toward their home forts. He released Cochise’s wife and children, but at the urging of enraged soldiers and civilians, he hung the six captive warriors from the limbs of the four oak trees whose roots embraced the murdered Americans—grisly reminders of his conflict with Cochise at Apache Pass. The bodies swung on their ropes for months, decaying, unrecovered by their Apache brethren, who lived in terror of the dead.

"This affair changed a prominent, highly-thought-of chief and his band from Indians who had been friendly and cooperative with the Government to a bitterly hostile group," said Betzinez.


Apache Pass Stage Station


The dogs of war were now on the loose, and at the worst possible time. The military forces would soon be withdrawn from Arizona and redeployed to fight in the great war between the states. The civilian population would be left at the mercy of Cochise and the Apaches.

A Decade of Agony


Cochise, "incomparable as a leader and a strategist," according to Frank C. Lockwood in his book The Apache Indians, struck back swiftly, setting the stage for a decade of conflict. "From his impregnable strongholds," said Lockwood, "he dispatched far and wide small bands of his picked warriors to plunder wagon trains, stampede cattle and horses, and murder unprotected settlers." In Conquest of Apacheria, Dan L. Thrapp said that "Within sixty days one hundred and fifty whites were killed…"

"This was the beginning of the first drama of blood and rapine which devastated Southern Arizona," according to a manuscript, "Bascom, George Nicholas," in the Manual Gandara file in the archives of the Arizona Pioneers Historical Society.

In Explorations and Adventures in Arizona & New Mexico, Samuel W. Cozzens, an early historian of the Apache wars said, "There is scarcely a mile on any road in the Territory where the traveler is not pointed out some spot which the Apaches have consecrated with the blood of a victim; nor is there a family that has not suffered in some manner from the depredations."


Son of Cochise,Taza


The Apaches, Cozzens said, "…have desolated Sonora and Arizona, which latter place, in 1860, had a population of thirty-four thousand, while in 1870 it had less than ten thousand."

In Adventures in the Apache Country, John R. Browne, who crossed southern Arizona in 1864, said, "Tubac is now a city of ruins—ruin and desolation wherever the eye rests."

"Gravestones, or rather head-boards, stand by the road-side like sentinels," said Cozzens, "bearing the invariable inscription,—

"KILLED BY THE APACHES"



Chiricahua Apache
Na-chez (Nai-chi-ti), son of Cochise
ca. 1885
Cochise's youngest son, said to look like his father
Photo by Ben Wittick


In Once They Moved Like the Wind, David Roberts said that one of Arizona’s "first historians claimed, ‘Bascom’s stupidity and ignorance probably cost five thousand American lives and the destruction of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of property.’" Almost certainly the historian exaggerated, but his estimates give a sense of the suffering and devastation which Bascom and his forces triggered during those cold winter days at Apache Pass in 1861.

Postscript


Mickey Free, the unwitting pawn in the drama which led to war, never saw John Ward nor his mother again. He grew to adulthood among the Coyotero Apaches. One of few in the territory who could speak Spanish, English and Apache fluently, he became a valued scout for the army, although some believed he was a psychotic killer. He died in 1915, on the Apache reservation in southeastern Arizona.

Cochise’s health failed him in the early 1870’s, as a peace of sorts finally settled over Apache country. He died on June 8, 1874, in his mid-60’s. His closest relatives dressed his body and painted his face for war. His Chonoken band carried his body in procession to a remote crevice in the Dragoon Mountains, west of the Chiricahuas, and they buried him in secrecy with his horse and dog and weapons. Across their range, the Chiricahua people – "The deadliest Fighting Handful in the calendar of Man" – cried.


Cochise's Mountain Stronghold


Second Lieutenant George N. Bascom, the "fine looking fool," transferred to the Union force at Fort Craig in central New Mexico, where he led Company C of the Seventh United States Infantry against Confederates in the vicious Civil War Battle of Valverde on the banks of the Rio Grande on February 21, 1862. He died that day on a sandbar in the middle of the stream. No one ever accused George Bascom of cowardice. (By coincidence, my wife’s great grandfather, 18-year old private Thomas Ed Jackson, fought in the same battle, on the side of the Confederates, with Company I, Seventh Regiment – Texas Mounted Volunteers.)

Jay W. Sharp

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www.desertusa.com
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jeff.scott.tripod.com
216.110.159.47/naturalamerica/_borders
www.americanindians.com
www.santafestation.com
www.crawfordart.com
www.indianer-web.de
www.gocornerstore.com
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Quotes from Cochise


When I was young I walked all over this country, east and west, and saw no other people than the Apaches. After many summers I walked again and found another race of people had come to take it. How is it?

We were once a large people covering these mountains. We lived well: we were at peace. One day my best friend was seized by an officer of the white men and treacherously killed. At last your soldiers did me a very great wrong, and I and my people went to war with them.

The worst place of all is Apache Pass. There my brother and nephews were murdered. Their bodies were hung up and kept there till they were skeletons. Now Americans and Mexicans kill an Apache on sight. I have retaliated with all my might.

My people have killed Americans and Mexicans and taken their property. Their losses have been greater than mine. I have killed ten white men for every Indian slain, but I know that the whites are many and the Indians are few. Apaches are growing less every day.

Why is it that the Apaches wait to die -- That they carry their lives on their fingernails? They roam over the hills and plains and want the heavens to fall on them. The Apaches were once a great nation; they are now but few, and because of this they want to die and so carry their lives on their fingernails.

I am alone in the world. I want to live in these mountains; I do not want to go to Tularosa. That is a long way off. I have drunk of the waters of the Dragoon Mountains and they have cooled me: I do not want to leave here.

Nobody wants peace more than I do. Why shut me up on a reservation? We will make peace; we will keep it faithfully. But let us go around free as Americans do. Let us go wherever we please.


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Good morning Snippy.


7 posted on 02/02/2004 4:01:59 AM PST by Aeronaut (In my humble opinion, the new expression for backing down from a fight should be called 'frenching')
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To: snippy_about_it
Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Freeper Foxhole.

That sure was a reat game wasn't it. Congrats to New England on winning hte Super Bowl 32-29.

8 posted on 02/02/2004 4:16:58 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Aeronaut
Good morning Aeronaut. A duck in tiger camo?
9 posted on 02/02/2004 4:20:40 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: E.G.C.
Good morning. I heard the game was good right down to the wire!
10 posted on 02/02/2004 4:21:14 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: bentfeather
Good morning feather.
11 posted on 02/02/2004 4:26:07 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
A duck in tiger camo?

Sikorsky S-38. (I've been in it)

12 posted on 02/02/2004 4:33:06 AM PST by Aeronaut (In my humble opinion, the new expression for backing down from a fight should be called 'frenching')
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To: SAMWolf
"was a fine looking fellow, a Kentuckian, a West Pointer, and of course, a gentleman, but he was unfortunately a fool…"

I found this quote about Bascom funny. What a thing to say about someone.

Good read on Chochise and the history of those times. Thanks Sam.

13 posted on 02/02/2004 4:39:33 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Aeronaut
Neat looking. It looks like they took the body of a plane and put the wings and props of a completely different plane on top. Looks top heavy. Interesting, thanks.
14 posted on 02/02/2004 4:45:23 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
Good morning, everyone. After that cold weather we had here, which was good -- this summer there'll be fewer bugs! -- the rains and mild temps have returned!

15 posted on 02/02/2004 5:11:39 AM PST by WaterDragon (GWB is The MAN!)
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To: SAMWolf
On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on February 02:
1502 Damiao de Góis Portuguese humanist scholar
1649 Benedict XIII [Pierfrancesco Orsini], Italy, 245th pope (1724-30)
1748 Christian Gottfried Thomas composer
1754 Charles-Maurice duke of Talleyrand-Périgord French bishop/premier (1815)
1803 Albert Sidney Johnston General (Confederate Army), mortally wounded at Shiloh in 1862
1815 Nathaniel Collins McLean Brigadier General (Union volunteers), died in 1905
1827 Abner Monroe Perrin Brigadier General (Confederate Army), died in 1864
1861 Solomon R Guggenheim philanthropist (died aboard the Titanic)
1861 Mehmed VI Vahideddin last sultan of Ottoman Empire (1918-22)
1878 Christian Gauss educator/writer (Phi Beta Kappa award namesake)
1882 James Joyce Ireland, novelist/poet (Dubliners, Ulysses, Finnigan's Wake)
1888 Frank Lloyd Scotland, actor/director (Mutiny on Bounty, Oliver Twist)
1895 George S Halas [Papa Bear], end/coach (Bears), co-founder NFL
1905 Ayn Rand writer (Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead)
1906 Gale Gordon Los Angeles CA, actor (Here's Lucy, Our Miss Brooks)
1923 Mary Elizabeth "Liz" Smith Ft Worth TX, gossip columnist (New York Daily News, NBC-TV)
1923 James Dickey Atlanta GA, author/poet/actor (Deliverance)
1926 Valéry Giscard d'Estaing President of France (1974-81)
1927 Stan Getz Philadelphia PA, jazz tenor saxophonist (Benny Goodman, Jimmy Dorsey)
1937 Tom Smothers New York NY, comedian (Smother Brother Show)
1942 Bo Hopkins Greenville SC, actor (Dynasty, Doc Elliot, Rockford Files)
1942 Graham Nash rocker (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young-Southern Cross, Hollies)
1947 Mary Farrah Leni Fawcett Corpus Christi TX, actress (Charlie's Angels, Burning Bed)
1948 Jessica Savitch Kennett Square PA, news anchor (NBC)
1954 Christie Brinkley [Ex-Mrs Billy Joel], model/actress (Sports Illustrated, Vacation)
1963 Pebbles Flintstone fictional character on "The Flintstones"
2338 Data android character on Star Trek Next Generation


Deaths which occurred on February 02:
1032 Rudolf III last independent king of Bourgundy, dies
1597 Lucas van Valckenborch Flemish painter, buried at about 61
1804 Caesar Rodney US judge (signed Declaration of Independence), dies at 62
1918 John L Sullivan Massachusetts, heavyweight boxing champion, dies at 59
1969 Boris Karloff [Pratt], British actor (Frankenstein), dies at 81
1970 Bertrand Russell philosopher, British MP, dies in Merioneth at 97
1983 Sam Chatman elder statesman of the blues, dies
1987 Alfred Lion record founder (Blue Note), dies at 78
1989 John Cassavetes US actor (Rosemary's Baby)/director, dies at 59
1992 Bert Parks [Jacobson], TV host (Miss America Pageant), dies at 77
1994 Willie Mae Ford Smith gospel Singer/Songwriter, dies at 89
1995 Donald Pleasance English actor (Halloween), dies at 75
1995 Robert L Haller coon Dog Trainer, dies at 32
1996 Gene Kelly actor/dancer (Singing in the Rain), dies at 83


Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1965 HERTZ GUSTAV G.
[09/21/67 DIC ON PRG LIST]
1968 RAGSDALE THOMAS
1968 ADKINS CHARLES L.---BARNESVILLE OH.
1968 BURNHAM DONALD D.---WEBB AL.
1968 PATTON KENNETH J.---MC KEES ROCK PA.
1968 PRINGLE JOE H.---HORNER WV.
[ID FOUND AT CRASH SITE]
1968 PUGGI JOSEPH D.---PLEASANTVILLE NJ.

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.


On this day...
0506 King Alarik II of Visigoten delegates Lex Romania Visigothorum out
0962 Pope John XII crowns German King Otto I the Great Emperor
1119 Guido di Borgogna elected Pope Callistus II
1461 2nd battle of St Alban's-Lancastrians defeat Yorkists
1536 Pedro de Mendoza finds the Argentine city of Buenos Aires
1653 New Amsterdam becomes a city (later New York NY)
1802 1st leopard exhibited in US, Boston (admission 25¢)
1811 Russian settlers establish Fort Ross trading post, north of San Francisco
1848 1st shipload of Chinese arrive in San Francisco
1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ends Mexican War; US acquires Texas, California, New Mexico & Arizona for $15 million
1852 1st British public men's toilet opens (Fleet St London)
1854 Pope Pius IX encyclical "On the persecution of Armenians"
1863 Samuel Clemens becomes Mark Twain for 1st time
1869 James Oliver invents the removable tempered steel plow blade
1876 Baseball's National League forms with teams in Boston, Chicago, Cincinnati, Hartford, Louisville, New York, Philadelphia, St Louis
1882 Knights of Columbus forms in New Haven CT
1892 Longest boxing match under modern rules; 77 rounds in Nameoki, Illinois between Harry Sharpe & Frank Crosby
1892 Bottle cap with cork seal patented by William Painter (Baltimore)
1893 1st movie close-up (of a sneeze), Edison studio, West Orange NJ
1901 Female Army Nurse Corps established as a permanent organization
1906 Pope encyclical against separation of church & state
1909 Italian writer Marinetti publishes Futurist Manifest in Paris
1919 Monarchist riot in Portugal
1922 James Joyce's "Ulysses" published in Paris (1,000 copies)
1923 Ethyl gasoline 1st marketed, Dayton OH
1925 Dogsleds reach Nome with emergency diphtheria serum after 1000-km
1926 3 men dance the Charleston for 22½ hours
1932 Al Capone sent to prison (Atlanta GA)
1933 2 days after becoming chancellor, Adolf Hitler dissolves Parliament
1933 Göring bans communist meetings/demonstrations in Germany
1934 Dutch Roman Catholic Bishops warn against fascism/Nazism
1935 Lie detector 1st used in court (Portage WI)
1940 Frank Sinatra's singing debut in Indianapolis (Tommy Dorsey Orchestra)
1942 Los Angeles Times urges security measures against Japanese-Americans
1943 Cubs return to original uniform after experimenting with a vest
1944 4th US marine division conquerors Roi, Marshall Islands
1944 Allied troops 1st set foot on Japanese territory
1948 President Truman urges congress to adopt a civil rights program
1950 1st broadcast of "What's My Line" on CBS-TV
1951 -35ºF (-37ºC), Greenburg, Indiana (state record until 1994)
1954 Snow falls on Gibraltar
1955 1st Presidential news conference on network TV-Eisenhower on ABC
1956 Coasters sign with Atlantic Records
1957 Liz Taylor's 3rd marriage (Mike Todd)
1958 Syria joins Egypt in United Arab Republic
1959 Buddy Holly's last performance
1959 Vince Lombardi signs a 5 year contract to coach the Green Bay Packers
1962 8 of 9 planets align for 1st time in 400 years
1964 GI Joe, debuts as a popular American boy's toy
1970 Pete Maravich becomes 1st to score 3,000 college basketball points
1971 Idi Amin ousts Milton Obote to become dictator of Uganda
1973 James R Schlesinger becomes director of the CIA (until July)
1973 "Midnight Special" rock music show debuts on NBC-TV
1974 Pope Paul VI encyclical "To Honor Mary"
1974 Smallest crowd at Cleveland Arena (Cavaliers vs Golden State-1,641)
1974 Barbra Streisand's 1st #1 hit, "The Way We Were"
1977 Radio Shack officially begins creating the TRS-80 computer
1980 FBI releases details of Abscam, a sting operation that targeted 31 elected & public officials for bribes for political favors
1982 "Late Night with David Letterman" premieres on NBC
1982 Government troops & Moslem-fundamentalists battle in Hamah Syria
1983 Chicago Archbishop Joseph L Bernardin is among 18 new cardinals invested
1986 Dalai Lama meets Pope John Paul II in India
1989 0ºF (-18ºC) or below in 15 US states
1989 F[rederik] W[illem] de Klerk replaces Botha as South Africa's Nationalist Party leader
1991 US postage is raised from 25¢ to 29¢
1992 IRS & Willie Nelson settle on $9 million tax bill (of $16.7 million)
1993 Frito Lay pays court ordered $2,500,000 to Tom Waits for using his song, "Step Right Up"
1998 Daniel Baldwin hospitalized in New York NY for cocaine overdose




Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"
Scotland] Term Day (quarterly rents due today)
US : Muffin Mania Week (Day 2)
US : Groundhog Day (To ski or not to ski)


Religious Observances
Anglican, Roman Catholic, Lutheran : Candlemas (Presentation or Purification)
Christian : Feast of St Cornelius
Liechtenstein, Vatican : Candlemas/Feast of Presentation of Jesus
Wicca : Imbolg sabbat
Roman Catholic : Commemoration of St Jeanne de Lestonnac, French foundress


Religious History
1779 Pioneer American Methodist bishop Francis Asbury reflected in his journal: 'God is gracious beyond the power of language to describe.'
1881 The first formal church youth organization was established in the Williston Congregational Church in Portland, Maine, by the Rev. Francis E. Clark, 29. Originally called "Christian Endeavor," it became the prototype of the modern denominational "youth fellowship."
1907 In a letter written to American statesman William Jennings Bryan, Christian Russian novelist Leo Tolstoy counseled: 'The most important thing is to know the will of God concerning one's life, i.e., to know what he wishes us to do and fulfill it.'
1944 German theologian and Nazi martyr Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote in a letter from prison: 'There is a kind of weakness that Christianity does not hold with, but which people insist on claiming as Christian, and then sling mud at it.'
1955 English apologist C.S. Lewis wrote in a letter: 'It is right...that we should be much concerned about the salvation of those we love. But we must be careful not to...demand that their salvation should conform to some ready-made pattern of our own.'

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Thought for the day :
"Any society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers."


Question of the day...
If space is a vacuum, who changes the bags?


Murphys Law of the day...(USAF Laws)
"If you see a bomb technician running, try to keep up with him."


Astounding fact #97,330...
Two-thirds of the world's eggplant is grown in New Jersey.
16 posted on 02/02/2004 6:01:38 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: snippy_about_it
If anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do


Lord, help me be kind and forgiving
Your loving forgiveness You've shown
To me for the sins I've committed;
Lord, grant me a love like Your own

When it seems you can't forgive, remember how much you've been forgiven.

17 posted on 02/02/2004 6:50:12 AM PST by The Mayor (Be steadfast, immovable, . . . knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.)
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To: bentfeather
Morning Feather.
18 posted on 02/02/2004 7:24:27 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good Morning Snippy. Anyone else remember watching thios show?

Cochise: Michael Ansara
Tom Jeffords: John Lupton

In 1950, Hollywood executives came up with the idea to do an authentic portrait study of the famed Apache leader Cochise. Basing their premise on the book Blood Brother by Elliott Arnold, they chose Jeff Chandler to play the role of the great chief, and combined with Jimmy Stewart as the fabled Tom Jeffords, the movie Broken Arrow became an instant success. Jeff Chandler would yet again portray Cochise in Taza, Son of Cochise and The Battle at Apache Pass, thus keeping a continuity aspect for the viewer, something totally unheard of for Hollywood at that time. With the success of the movie version of Broken Arrow, it followed that the television version couldn’t be far behind. In 1956, ABC launched what is now considered one of the legends in television westerns history.

Michael Ansara played Cochise in the television version, and John Lupton was his blood brother Tom Jeffords. The first episode, telecast 25 September 1956 and titled “The Mail Riders,” gave the background of the unique friendship which existed between these two extraordinary men. Tom Jeffords had been commissioned by the Army to get the mail through Apache lands, but when his coaches were shot up and his drivers all ended up dead or wounded at the hands of the Apache, he decided to journey alone to Cochise to seek a solution. This bravery so impressed Cochise that the two became blood brothers. Cochise only agreed to a reservation way of life if Jeffords, whom he called Taglito in real life, would be the Indian agent.

The whole premise of the series was based upon the friendship and trust that existed between these two men. It recounted the adventures of both men working together to achieve peace during the turbulent prejudices of the 1870’s Tucson area. It ran for three seasons with a total of 72 episodes being filmed. During the fourth season in 1960, it was telecast in reruns.

For the trivia buff, Nino Cochise was the grandson of Cochise. He was the son of Taza and born in 1874. When Cochise died in 1875, the Chiricahua Reservation was slowly dissolved, mostly because the white man had found copper and silver on the Apache lands and were greedy. When the Cochise Apaches, as that band of the Chiricahuas were called, were ordered to San Carlos under Indian agent John Clum, Tom Jeffords resigned in disgust. Fearing what would happen to his people at San Carlos, Taza journeyed to Washington to try and get his people back under the protection of Tom Jeffords. He caught cold on the journey and died shortly after he arrived in Washington of pneumonia, but before he left Arizona, he had made arrangements for his wife and son to escape into Mexico. When the Army came to forcibly move the Cochise Apaches to San Carlos, Nino Cochise and his mother were among the 40 families who managed to escape. They lived under the protection of Nino’s Uncle Juh of the Nedhi Apaches, until Juh’s death, at which time Nino’s notorious Uncle Geronimo sort of assumed responsibility for them. But, Geronimo was still waging war on both sides of the border, and it made for some interesting lessons for young Nino. When he was sixteen, Nino was elected chief.

Throughout Nino’s childhood, Tom Jeffords came to Juh’s Stronghold many times. He taught Nino how to count and to read and was generally a “father figure” to Nino until the day Jeffords died. He was one of the very few outsiders ever allowed inside the Stronghold by Geronimo. When Jeffords led Teddy Roosevelt to the Stronghold to enlist the aid of Nino and his Apaches during the Spanish-American War in 1898, Nino refused, concerned that it wasn’t yet safe for him to cross back into American territory. Nino never came into Arizona that he wasn’t in the company of Tom Jeffords, whom he loved and trusted completely. It was well into the 1920’s before Nino felt it was safe enough to come to America to live.

To make a long story short, when David Dortort was looking for authenticity in his television western The High Chaparral in 1967, Nino Cochise asked for the part of Cochise, his fabled grandfather. At that time, Nino was 92 years old, missing one leg, and needed to be helped into and out of the saddle, but he won the role. There has never been a greater coup in film-making history before or since.

19 posted on 02/02/2004 7:30:41 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: Aeronaut
Morning Aeronaut. I've seen some wierd planes but that one takes the cake.
20 posted on 02/02/2004 7:31:37 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: E.G.C.
Morning E.G.C. I heard the Half-time show really sucked bad. I didn't watch it but my wife did heard her complaining all the way downstairs.
21 posted on 02/02/2004 7:32:57 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: snippy_about_it
Well good looks and education and being a gentilmen doen's always mean you have "Street smarts" or commen sense.
22 posted on 02/02/2004 7:34:30 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: WaterDragon
Morning WaterDragon
23 posted on 02/02/2004 7:35:13 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: Valin
1933 2 days after becoming chancellor, Adolf Hitler dissolves Parliament

2008 2 days after becoming President, Hillary Clinton dissolves Congress

You know in your heart she would if she could.

24 posted on 02/02/2004 7:37:51 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: The Mayor
Good Morning Mayor
25 posted on 02/02/2004 7:38:13 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: SAMWolf
Yeah, it was very bad deal. People watching it with their families. That's the same company BTW that signed a book deal with Hillary. Something's very wrong with this country when when stooop this low and call it family entertainment.

Call me backwards or judgemental if you will but I make no apologies for these observations. This was about as sleazey as the Democrats. Not very good at all.

26 posted on 02/02/2004 7:50:23 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: WaterDragon
Good morning WaterDragon.
27 posted on 02/02/2004 7:50:31 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin
1964 GI Joe, debuts as a popular American boy's toy

I imagined it earlier than 1964. I must be thinking of those little green army men.

It's Monday, 'nuff said.

28 posted on 02/02/2004 7:54:48 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: The Mayor
Good morning Mayor.
29 posted on 02/02/2004 7:55:18 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
It looks familiar, I must have seen it (in reruns of course.)
30 posted on 02/02/2004 7:57:34 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
I've seen some wierd planes but that one takes the cake.

It was designed in 1928. Cushy interior!

 

31 posted on 02/02/2004 8:09:52 AM PST by Aeronaut (In my humble opinion, the new expression for backing down from a fight should be called 'frenching')
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To: E.G.C.
My wife was surprised they even let some of that stuff on the air. Talk about crude!
32 posted on 02/02/2004 8:48:45 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: SAMWolf
Click to visit Cochise County Home Page

Cochise was a man who walked large among his contemporaries, a leader and warrior deserving of history's recognition.

If you go looking, there are several places on the web where you can find more of Cochise's influence on Southeast Arizona. One of only 3 counties in the state, and the only one named for an Indian, Cochise County is nearly the size of the state of Connecticut.

Chiricahua National Monument

The Apaches called this place 'The Land of Standing-Up Rocks', a fitting name for an extraordinary rock wonderland.

Cochise and the Chiricahua Apaches used this natural granite fortress as a haven from the U.S. cavalry. It also is believed to be the tomb of the famous warrior 10 miles west of Sunsites (520) 826-3593


33 posted on 02/02/2004 8:49:18 AM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's good Grace. Come home when you're done. We'll be here.)
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To: snippy_about_it
I must be thinking of those little green army men.

I loved those Little Green Army Men I had hundreds of them. :-)

The Grand-Daughter

A grandmother was surprised by her 7 year old helper early one morning. He had made her coffee! She drank what was the worst cup of coffee in her life. And, when she got to the bottom, to her utter amazement there were three little green army men in her cup.

Puzzled, she asked "Honey, what are the army men doing in my coffee?"

Her grandson answered "Grandma, you know how it says on TV, "The best part of waking up is soldiers in your cup."


34 posted on 02/02/2004 8:56:55 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: Aeronaut
Someone had a lot of time and money on their hands. Does look like you could have a fun time with it though
35 posted on 02/02/2004 8:58:46 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: SAMWolf
LOL. That's cute, thanks. Watch out with that flame thrower!
36 posted on 02/02/2004 9:02:07 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: HiJinx
Morning HiJinx.

Cochise was a man who walked large among his contemporaries, a leader and warrior deserving of history's recognition.

Worth repeating.

37 posted on 02/02/2004 9:03:08 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: snippy_about_it
I never used my flamethrower in the house, did almost strat the neighbor's garage on fire trying to recreate a scene from "Ring Of Fire" ;-( Thank God for garden hoses.
38 posted on 02/02/2004 9:04:58 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: SAMWolf
LOL. Nowadays they'd have you in therapy. Oh for the days when boys could be boys!! Gotta run out for a class. See you tonight.
39 posted on 02/02/2004 9:08:08 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
Yeah,(LOL)My thoughts exactly.:-D

FCC commisioner Powell's calling for in investigation into this so maybe something will be cleared up soon.

40 posted on 02/02/2004 9:16:33 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: E.G.C.
I guess a lot will depend on how many people complain
41 posted on 02/02/2004 9:28:41 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: SAMWolf
Wow, great thread Sam.
42 posted on 02/02/2004 9:28:57 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Spirit/Opportunity~0.002acres of sovereign US territory~All Your Mars Are Belong To Us)
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To: snippy_about_it
Howdy ma'am.
43 posted on 02/02/2004 9:29:19 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Spirit/Opportunity~0.002acres of sovereign US territory~All Your Mars Are Belong To Us)
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To: Professional Engineer
Morning PE. Snippy is gonna be stuck in "classes" most of the day. :-(
44 posted on 02/02/2004 9:31:44 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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To: Valin
2338 Data android character on Star Trek Next Generation

Ya' have a crytal ball Valin?

45 posted on 02/02/2004 9:32:46 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Spirit/Opportunity~0.002acres of sovereign US territory~All Your Mars Are Belong To Us)
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To: SAMWolf
The picture rings a bell.
46 posted on 02/02/2004 9:37:13 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Spirit/Opportunity~0.002acres of sovereign US territory~All Your Mars Are Belong To Us)
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To: SAMWolf
Morning Sam,

Neat Post. One of the most interesting military museums I have ever visited is at Ft. Huachuca, AZ. Most of the museum is devoted to the Apache wars, and the Buffalo Soldiers. If you ever get a chance to go there, check it out.
47 posted on 02/02/2004 9:41:42 AM PST by PsyOp (Note to Jihadists: I profile and carry a gun.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Well let's just say I have my sources, and leave it at that.
48 posted on 02/02/2004 9:55:18 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: All
All together now,
GROOOAN.
49 posted on 02/02/2004 9:58:06 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: PsyOp
Morning PsyOp. That would be an interesting museum to visit, I think even my wife would enjoy that one. Didn't have a lot of museums dedicated to the Indian wars in Ill.
50 posted on 02/02/2004 10:03:33 AM PST by SAMWolf (If I save the whales, where do I keep them?)
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