The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - PanzerKampfwagen VIB - King Tiger - Mar. 16th, 2004

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[SAMWolf]

How much do the politicians listen to the people in Poland? The Majority is pretty much ignored bu ours.

[PsyOp]

As I recall, the Ruskies lost a few of their own tanks to Comrade Spot as well.

[Iris7]

There is a PzKw VII at the Patton Museum at Fort Knox, with the turret and some side armor cut away (Boo! Hiss!).

The following is a report of an engagement with Schwere Panzer forces in 1944 by a Russian commander of JS-2s:

REPORT ABOUT OPERATIONS OF THE 71ST INDEPENDENT GUARDS HEAVY TANK REGIMENT FROM 14 JULY TO 31 AUGUST 1944

In the morning of 13 August 1944, the Regiment, in cooperation with 289th Infantry Regiment of 97th Infantry Division began an advance towards Oglendov. The enemy tanks, which were on the outskirts, blocked the infantry attack. At that moment, the tank platoon of Guards Senior Lieutenant Klimenkov was advancing from his previously prepared position and opened fire on the enemy tanks. As a result, after a short engagement, Klimenkov destroyed one tank and damaged another (these were the first King Tiger's to be destroyed) and the infantry entered Ogledov without facing any serious resistance.

Simultaneously, from the height 272.1, seven King Tigers attacked our positions. Concealed in the bushes to the east of Mokree, the tank of Guards Senior Lieutenant Udalov let the enemy approach within 700-800 metres and then opened fire on the leading tank. After several accurate shots, one tank was destroyed and another one damaged. When the enemy started to retreat, Udalov drove his tank along the forest road towards the enemy and, from the edge of the forest, opened fire again. Leaving one more tank on fire, the enemy retreated.

Soon, the King Tigers attacked again. This time they were advancing towards Ponik, where the Guards Lieutenant Beliakov's was in laying in ambush. He opened fire from the distance of 1000 metres. By the third round, he had set fire to one tank and forced others to retreat.

During the day the tankers, in co-operation with artillery, repulsed 7 armored attacks and inflicted heavy human and technical losses on the enemy.

Enemy losses from 14 July to 31 August 1944
Burnt out:
Tiger - 4,
King Tiger - 4,
Panther - 3,
Ferdinand self-propelled gun - 1,
128mm self-propelled gun - 1,
Armored cars - 3.

Damaged:
Tiger - 1,
King Tiger - 2,
Panther - 3.

Guns destroyed of different calibres: 23,
Machine-guns destroyed: 22,
Soldiers and officers killed: 600.

Regimental losses:
JS-122’s destroyed - 3.
JS-122’s damaged - 7. (Three were repaired by the Regiment and four were sent for rebuilding by the Repair Center.)

Killed In Action:
Officers - 3, These included the Regimental Commander Guards Lieutenant-Colonel Judin,
sergeants and solders - 10.

Wounded:
Officers - 8,
Sergeants and privates - 36.

The experience showed that the tanks could have an effective range of 70-100 kilometres per day, with an average speed on roads of 20-25 km/h and 10-15 km/h across country. A maximum range is about 125-150 kilometres. In total, the tanks covered about 1100 kilometres, therefore tank engines worked for 250-270 moto-hours while guaranteed 150 moto-hours.

The actual speed across country on the battlefield reaches 8-12 km/h [This "actual speed" refers to Average Combat Speed - Valera Potapov]. The guns could fire 2-3 rounds a minute. During an offensive, the number of rounds carried for a main armament is sufficient for the one day's combat. [I would like to emphasize this phrase for tank buffs who're talking about insufficient ammo capacity for JS-2 - Valera Potapov]

In general, the conditions for fire and observation from a tank are satisfactory.

In practice, the 9T-17 telescopic sight was found to be uncomfortable for the gunner when shooting and observing, because it did not permit 360 traverse through the turret roof. It could also not be used because of difficulties relating to adjustment and inability to keep track of the target.

The existing cast armour could be penetrated by 88 mm round from a distance of 800-1000 metres, because of bad quality of our armor (e.g. insufficient thickness, bubbles). [This is accurate translation, though insufficient thickness does not equal "bad quality" - Valera Potapov]

Conclusions:
1. The main armament of the JS-122 remains the most powerful of all existing types of tanks. The 122 mm round has great armor-piercing capability and this makes these tanks the best solution against other heavy enemy tanks.

2. The large quantity of smoke from the gun when fired reveals the tank’s position.

3. The experience of defensive combat in the bridgehead, revealed that enemy tanks avoid areas defended by JS-122's. As a result, this situation often results in a change of the attack's direction, looking for the less well defended areas.



71st Independent Guards Heavy Tank Regiment Commander
Guards Lieutenant-Colonel
Shapar'.

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Russian sources say German armor showed brittle fracture starting in 1944. I have seen photos of major cracks in Tiger VI armor running from impact craters made by Russian solid shot, and these photos were from Kursk.

The Russians used non-explosive instead of explosive armor piercing rounds because of the German deployment of spaced armor starting with PzKw III (amazing).

[Professional Engineer]

Heh heh heh. Cool link. George W.

[SAMWolf]

Yeah, after all a tank is a tank is a tank to a dog.

[snippy_about_it]

Secondly, the overwhelming majority of the Polish people wants Poland to postpone her entering the EU "as we are not prepared to enter it on May 1".

I certainly hope Poland not only postpones it but changes it's mind altogether and stays out of the EU. Good luck to you Matt.

[snippy_about_it]

Thanks PE. Did you start your new job?

[Professional Engineer]

I start next monday. Boss had a closed door meeting with a guy this afternoon. My guess is he was interviewing a possible replacement.

I've got shortitis something fierce, and I'm trying not to let it get in the way.

[SAMWolf]

Thanks for the eyewitness account Iris7.

The Last Battle,
Berlin, 30th April 1945
David Pentland
Unterscharfurher Karl-Heinz Turk of the Schwere SS Panzerabteilung 503, in one of the units few remaining Kingtigers, defends the Potsdammer Platz along with elements of the Munchberg Division against the rapidly encroaching Soviet forces.

Tiger at the Gate
Berlin, 30 April 1945
David Pentland

A Tiger I and Pak 40 anti-tank gun of the "Munchburg" Division, field a final defense of the capital in front of the Brandenburg Gate under a shattered remains of the famous Linden trees. The under strength division had just been formed the previous month from a mixture of ad hoc units and various marks of tank. Despite this, it put up a spirited fight until it's final destruction in early May 1945.

[SAMWolf]

Good one PE.

[snippy_about_it]

LOL. Yep I bet time moves real slow this week.

[PsyOp]

Too bad PETA wasn't around then. They could have sent a sternly worded letter to Uncle Joe like they did with Arafat when he resorted to suicide donkey's!

[Professional Engineer]

LOL It does. On the bright side, Msdrby called earlier, our tax refund came today. It was $600 larger than expected, since we missed a child deduction somewhere.

[snippy_about_it]

That is good news, especially when the government lets you know about it!

[SAMWolf]

Stalin would have known what to do with PETA members ;-)

[PsyOp]

Yep. A few months in a Gulag would cure them of that stupidity. Rats? Raw? Sure! ;-]

[SAMWolf]

The last thing they'd have time to worry about is "Animal Rights"

[SAMWolf]

[SAMWolf]

BOO!!