The FReeper Foxhole Profiles "Kit" Carson - Aug. 16th, 2004

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[SAMWolf]

Naw. All I got was a T-Shirt that said "Nixon sent me to Cambodia and I all got was this lousey T-shirt"

[SAMWolf]

Thanks aomagrat.

[SAMWolf]

See post 121.

[Light Speed]

The DVD version has a different cover I beleive.

Anyhoo..for near authentic..this film rates a 9

Its colorfull..maybe too colorfull as the language goes.

Brian Keith and Charleton Heston spar back and forth with insults and one liners....argue about what band of Indians are about to steal their horses and scalp them.

The movie notes the period of change....when immigrants* Brian Keiths never ending jeer appear in the North West.
The last days of the beaver trade.

In one scene around a fire..Keith tells a story where he is chased into a box canyon by 100 Rhappaho.

Keith is asked how things turned out...his reply.

"What do you think....I [expletive] Died!! : )

Heston struggles with the reality of the failing beaver trade...allong with personal problems..as he has inherited the attention of a native girl who will not leave him.
In one scene..she kicks Heston right in the family jewels..while dozens of drunken trappers look on..along with a mouthy Frenchman who Heston and Keith really dislike.

Theres some great scenery shots in this film....the drama level is as good as the humor.

So ends Light Speeds Movie review : )

[SAMWolf]

Thanks Light Speed.

I know about the movie but never saw it. I'll check and see if Snippy wants it on our "Movies to see" list.

[snippy_about_it]

[snippy_about_it]

We'll have to check the library and see if they have it. Thanks Light Speed.

[snippy_about_it]

:-)

[SAMWolf]

LOL! You are so bad!

[snippy_about_it]

LOL. Ping to 126

[PhilDragoo]

Col. Christopher (Kit) Carson, commanding the First Cavalry, New Mexico Volunteers, was ordered to lead an expedition against the winter campgrounds of the Comanches and Kiowas, believed to be somewhere on the south side of the Canadian. On November 10 he arrived at Fort Bascom with fourteen officers, 321 enlisted men, and seventy-five Ute and Jicarilla Apache scouts and fighters he had recruited from Lucien Maxwell's ranch near Cimarron, New Mexico. Two days later the column, supplied with two mountain howitzers under the command of Lt. George H. Pettis, twenty-seven wagons, an ambulance, and forty-five days' rations, marched down the Canadian into the Panhandle of Texas. Carson's destination was Adobe Walls, where he had been employed by Bent nearly twenty years earlier. After a delay caused by snowstorms the column set up camp for the night of November 25 at Mule Springs, in what is now Moore County, thirty miles west of Adobe Walls. Two of Carson's scouts reported the presence of a large group of Indians, who had recently moved into and around Adobe Walls with many horses and cattle. Carson immediately ordered all cavalry units and the two howitzers to move forward, leaving the infantry under Lt. Col. Francisco P. Abreau to follow later with the supply train. After covering fifteen miles Carson halted to await the dawn. No loud talking or fires were permitted, and a late-night frost added to the men's discomfort.

At about 8:30 A.M. Carson's cavalry attacked Dohäsan's Kiowa village of 150 lodges, routing the old chief and most of the other inhabitants, who spread the alarm to several Comanche groups. Pushing on to Adobe Walls, Carson forted up about 10 A.M., using one corner of the ruins for a hospital. One of the several Indian encampments in the vicinity, a Comanche village of 500 lodges, was within a mile of Adobe Walls. The Indians numbered between 3,000 and 7,000, far greater opposition than Carson had anticipated. Sporadic attacks and counterattacks continued during the day, but the Indians were disconcerted by the howitzers, which had been strategically positioned atop a small rise. Dohäsan led many charges, ably assisted by Stumbling Bear and Satanta; indeed, Satanta was said to have sounded bugle calls back to Carson's bugler.

With supplies and ammunition running low by late afternoon, Carson ordered his troops to withdraw to protect his rear and keep the way open to his supply train. Seeing this, the Indians tried to block his retreat by torching the tall bottomland grass near the river, but Carson set his own fires and withdrew to higher ground, where the battery continued to hold off the attacking warriors. At dusk Carson ordered a force to burn the Kiowa and Kiowa-Apache lodges, which the soldiers had attacked that morning. The Kiowa-Apache chief, Iron Shirt, was killed when he refused to leave his tepee.

Concerned with protecting the supply wagons and Abreau's infantry column moving up from Mule Springs, Carson decided to retreat. The reunited forces encamped for the night, and on the morning of November 27 Carson ordered a general withdrawal from the area. In all, Carson's troops and Indian scouts lost three killed and twenty-five wounded, three of whom later died. Indian casualties were estimated at 100 to 150. In addition 176 lodges, along with numerous buffalo robes and winter provisions, as well as Dohäsan's army ambulance wagon, had been destroyed. One Comanche scalp was reported taken by a young Mexican volunteer in Carson's expedition, which disbanded after returning to Fort Bascom without further incident.

General Carleton lauded Carson's retreat in the face of overwhelming odds as an outstanding military accomplishment; though the former mountain man was unable to strike a killing blow, he is generally credited with a decisive victory. Carson afterward contended that if Adobe Walls was to be reoccupied, at least 1,000 fully equipped troops would be required. The first eyewitness account of the battle other than Carson's military correspondence was published in 1877 by George Pettis, who had served as the expedition's artillery officer.

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Excerpt from the popular penny dreadful "Christmas Eve 1968 in Cambodia" by Kit Kerry truthslayer (Indian name "Cries From Invisible Wound"):

Arrows whizzed about me as I lay stealthily in my birchbark swishboat five fathoms full in the hunting grounds of the Cambodahoe--although President Grant said there were no honkie dog soldiers there.

I had just dropped off Joseph C(lymer) Wilson and his wife "Natasha" (not her real name) on a Pmission to Pnom Penh.

I still have the hat they left me:

Is that Kerry and Edwards in that tent?
Hey, not that there's anything wrong with that.

I had the hat.
I didn't see Old Yeller
but may have cried after the Disney television
episode of Davy Crockett's last stand at the Alamo.

USS Hector was 403' long; USS Jupiter was 542' long.

Just in: the sun causes global warming. Still, that doesn't excuse Halliburton getting a no-bid contract to construct a tinted global dome and mammoth refrigeration units.

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[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!!

[Professional Engineer]

ROFLOL

[SAMWolf]

Evening Phil Dragoo

Indian name "Cries From Invisible Wound"):

LOL!!

but may have cried after the Disney television episode of Davy Crockett's last stand at the Alamo.

I know I did, I felt like I had lost a friend.

I like the idea of Fox News giving a lot of time to the Swifties today. Of course, Juan Williams tried his best to blame all the negaticity on the Republicans.

[PhilDragoo]

Juan has a nickname around our house: "Stupid".

A la the Fox show "Hannity and MUTE".

[SAMWolf]

Juan has a nickname around our house: "Stupid".

LOL! We just call him Bleeding Heart Liberal"