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The FReeper Foxhole - Vietnam War Statistics - November 7th, 2004
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Posted on 11/06/2004 11:30:20 PM PST by snippy_about_it



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
.

FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.



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Vietnam War Statistics




I. Official Campaigns of the War in Vietnam
(Time of service 15 March 1962 - 28 March 1973)



1. Vietnam Advisory Campaign (15 March 1962 - 07 March 1965)
2. Vietnam Defense Campaign (08 March 1965 - 24 December 1965)
3. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Campaign (25 December 1965 - 30 June 1966)
4. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase II (01 July 1966 - 31 May 1967)
5. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase III (01 June 1967 - 29 January 1968)
6. Tet Counteroffensive (30 January 1968 - 01 April 1968)
7. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase IV (02 April 1968 - 30 June 1968)
8. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase V (01 July 1968 - 01 November 1968)
9. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase VI (02 November 1968 - 22 February 1969)
10. Tet 69/Counteroffensive (23 February 1969 - 08 June 1969)
11. Vietnam Summer-Fall 1969 (09 June 1969 - 31 October 1969)
12. Vietnam Winter-Spring 1970 (01 November 1969 - 30 April 1970)
13. Sanctuary Counter-offensive (01 May 1970 - 30 June 1970)
14. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase VII (01 July 1970 - 30 June 1971)
15. Consolidation I (01 July 1971 - 30 November 1971)
16. Consolidation II (01 December 1971 - 29 March 1972)
17. Vietnam Ceasefire Campaign (30 March 1972 - 28 March 1973)

II.STATISTICS

IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY
 

* Vietnam Veterans: 9.7% of their generation.
* 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).
* 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (August 5, 1964 - March 28, 1973).
* 3,403,100 (including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the Southeast Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand, and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters). 2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (January 1, 1965 - March 28, 1973).
* Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964.
* Of the 2,6 million, between 1 - 1.6 million (40 - 60%) either fought in combat, provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed to enemy attack.
* 7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam.
* Peak troop strength in Vietnam: 543,482 (April 30, 1969).

CASUALTIES

* Hostile deaths: 47,359.
* Non-hostile deaths: 10,797.
* Total: 58,202 (includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties). Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total.
* 8 nurses died - 1 was KIA.
* Married men killed: 17,539.
* 61% of the men killed were 21 or younger.
* Highest state death rate: West Virginia - 84.1 men per 100,000 males serving in Vietnam (national average 58.9 men for every 100,000 males serving in Vietnam. {Averaged in 1970}).
* Wounded: 303,704 (153,329 hospitalized + 150,375 injured requiring no hospital care).
* Severely disabled: 75,000--23,214 100% disabled; 5,283 lost limbs; 1,081 sustained multiple amputations. Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than in Korea. Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII



* Missing in Action: 2,338.
* POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity).

DRAFTEES AND VOLUNTEERS

* 25% of the total forces in country were draftees 648,500 as opposed to 66% of the ones in WWII.
* Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.
* Reservists killed: 5,977.
* National Guard: 6,140 served; 101 died.
* Total draftees (1965-73): 1,728,344.
* Actually served in Vietnam: 38%.
* Marine Corps draft: 42,633.
* Last man drafted: June 30, 1973

RACE AND ETHNIC BACKGROUND

* 88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian, 10.6% (275,000) were black; 1% listed as others.
* 86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics); 12.5% (7,241) were black; 1.2% belonged to other races.
* 170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam; 3,070 (5.2% of total) died there.
* 86.8% of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were Caucasian; 12.1% (5,711)were black; 1.1% belonged to other races

* 14.6% (1.530) of non-combat deaths were among blacks.
* 34% of blacks who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms.
* Overall, blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population.
* Religion of Dead: Protestant--64.4%; Catholic--28.9%; other/none--6.7%.

SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS

* 76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/ working class backgrounds.
* Three-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds.
* Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations.
* 79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service. (63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation).
* Deaths by region per 100,000 of population: South-31, West-29.9; Midwest-28.4; Northeast-23.5

WINNING & LOSING

* 82% of veterans who saw heavy combat strongly believe the war was lost because of lack of political will

* Nearly 75% of the public agrees it was a failure of political will, not of arms.

HONORABLE SERVICE

* 97% of Vietnam-era veterans were honorably discharged.
* 91% of actual Vietnam War veterans and 90% of those who saw heavy combat are proud to have served their country.
* 66% of Vietnam vets say they would serve again if called upon.
* 87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem





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Snippy's note:

I thought in honor of Veterans Day coming soon we should take a look at some of the real numbers involved that pertain to the largest majority of our Veterans today.

1 posted on 11/06/2004 11:30:20 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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2 posted on 11/06/2004 11:31:53 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: All


Here are the recommended holiday mailing dates for military mail this year:

For military mail addressed TO APO and FPO addresses, the mailing dates are:

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For military mail FROM APO and FPO addresses, the mailing dates are:

Thanks for the information StayAt HomeMother



Veterans for Constitution Restoration is a non-profit, non-partisan educational and grassroots activist organization.





Actively seeking volunteers to provide this valuable service to Veterans and their families.

Thanks to quietolong for providing this link.

UPDATED THROUGH APRIL 2004




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3 posted on 11/06/2004 11:33:09 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Hey! Where's the stat on Kerry being in Cambodia for Christmas?

Good Night Snippy.


4 posted on 11/06/2004 11:38:53 PM PST by SAMWolf (Whapped upside the head with a lime . . . another drive-by fruiting.)
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To: SAMWolf

LOL. Oh that's right. That's where he got his magic hat that made him a LOSER!!!!


Good night Sam.


5 posted on 11/06/2004 11:40:24 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

6 posted on 11/07/2004 1:44:46 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: snippy_about_it
Good morning Snippy.


7 posted on 11/07/2004 2:31:05 AM PST by Aeronaut (This is no ordinary time. And George W. Bush is no ordinary leader." --George Pataki)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf

Sunday Morning greetings to the intrepid Foxhole painting crew.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


8 posted on 11/07/2004 2:50:29 AM PST by alfa6 (Meeting: an event where minutes are kept and hours are lost.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Foxhole.


9 posted on 11/07/2004 3:00:58 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning


10 posted on 11/07/2004 4:38:34 AM PST by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: SAMWolf

It is there Sam, but you can't see it, because it doesn't exist. I wonder if there is any satistics on people who suffered three minor wounds who left verses the ones who stayed with their buddies.


11 posted on 11/07/2004 4:47:36 AM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Good morning Grzegorz.


12 posted on 11/07/2004 5:54:19 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Aeronaut

Good morning Aeronaut.


13 posted on 11/07/2004 5:54:40 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
Hey! Where's the stat on Kerry being in Cambodia for Christmas?

I wondered about the stats on Viet Nam veterans consorting with the enemy in Paris and Hanoi. But then I realized that the number was mathematically insignificant.

Karry and insignificant. I like those two words together--almost as much as Kerry and irrelevant. As a matter of fact, I am tempted to start a thread on words we like to hear with Kerry. That could be fun.

Kerry and insignificant

Kerry and irrelevant

Kerry and trashheap of history

Kerry and big loser

Kerry and long life with Teresa

Kerry and ......

14 posted on 11/07/2004 5:55:44 AM PST by Samwise (This day does not belong to one man but to all. --Aragorn)
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To: alfa6

Good morning alfa6.

It's a two advil morning but the paint job looks great. I'll post pics later this morning. Now it's time for coffee.


15 posted on 11/07/2004 5:58:13 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: E.G.C.

Good morning EGC.


16 posted on 11/07/2004 5:58:46 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: GailA

Good morning Gail.


17 posted on 11/07/2004 5:59:15 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: U S Army EOD
It is there Sam, but you can't see it, because it doesn't exist.

LOL.

I had it there before I didn't have it in there. ;-)

18 posted on 11/07/2004 6:01:22 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Samwise
Kerry and trashheap of history

I like them all but this one is my favorite from your list.

19 posted on 11/07/2004 6:03:22 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Good morning, folks. OU won their game with Texas A&M 42-35. It was close down to the wire. OSU, well they lost to Texas last night in Austin.

It's a bit cloudy this morning temps in the lower 70's

How's it going, Sam?

20 posted on 11/07/2004 6:04:56 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; All

November 7, 2004

The War Is Over!

Read: Hebrews 4

[Jesus] came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. —Ephesians 2:17

Bible In One Year: Jeremiah 40-42; Hebrews 4


The bitter conflict had finally ended between the North and the South. The soldiers of the US Civil War were free to return to their families. But a number of them remained hidden in the woods, living on berries. They either didn't hear or didn't believe that the war was over, so they continued enduring miserable conditions when they could have been back home.

It's something like that in the spiritual realm too. Christ made peace between God and man by dying in our place. He paid sin's penalty on the cross. Anyone who accepts His sacrifice will be forgiven by a holy God.

Sadly, many people refuse to believe the gospel and continue to live as spiritual fugitives. Sometimes even those who have placed their trust in Christ live on almost the same level. Either out of ignorance or unwillingness, they fail to claim the promises of God's Word. They do not experience the joy and assurance that should accompany salvation. They do not draw from their relationship with God the comfort and peace He intends for His children. They are the objects of His love, care, and provision but live as if they were orphans.

Have you been living apart from the comfort, love, and care of your heavenly Father? Come on home. The war is over! —Richard De Haan

We fail, O Lord, to realize
The fullness of what You have done,
So help us trust Your saving work
And claim the triumph You have won. —D. De Haan

Christ's victory over death means peace for His saints.

21 posted on 11/07/2004 6:06:59 AM PST by The Mayor (The fires of life will not destroy you if you're watered by the River of Life.)
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To: E.G.C.

Good morning EGC. It's 6 a.m. here and dark.


22 posted on 11/07/2004 6:08:23 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: The Mayor

Thank you Mayor. Good morning.


23 posted on 11/07/2004 6:10:32 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning snippy!

Up early or real late?


24 posted on 11/07/2004 6:21:40 AM PST by The Mayor (The fires of life will not destroy you if you're watered by the River of Life.)
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To: snippy_about_it

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on November 07:
0994 Muhammad ibn Hazm historian/jurist/writer of Islamic Spain
1598 Francisco de Zurbaran Spain, Baroque painter (baptized)
1832 Andrew Dickson White educator/1st President of Cornell
1856 Semyon Zonovyevich Alapin Vilna, tied for chess 1st place (1878)
1867 Madame Marie Sklodowska Curie discovered radium (Nobel 1903, 1911)
1876 Culbert Olson Fillmore UT, (Gov-D-Cal)
1879 Leon Trotsky Russian Communist theorist, Bolshevik
1883 Elder Lightfoot Solomon Michaux Newport News VA, TV preacher
1888 Sir Chandrasekhara Raman India, physicist (Nobel 1930)
1903 Dean Jagger Lima Ohio, actor (Albert Vane-Mr Novak, Elmer Gantry)
1903 Konrad Lorenz zoologist/ethologist/writer (Nobel 1973)
1913 Albert Camus Algeria, novelist/director (The Just-Nobel 1957)
1916 Joe Bushkin NYC, jazz pianist (A Couple of Joes)
1918 Billy Graham Charlotte NC, evangelist (Crusades)
1922 Al Hirt New Orleans LA, jazz trumpeter (Greatest Horn in the World)
1926 Joan Sutherland Sydney Australia, operatic soprano (Met Opera)
1936 Barry Newman Boston MA, actor (Amy, Deadline, Petrocelli)
1936 Gwyneth Jones Pontnewyndd Wales, soprano (Die Walkyre)
1937 Mary Travers (singer, Peter, Paul and Mary)
1938 Dee Clark Arkansas, singer (Hambone, Nobody But You)
1938 James Katt pitcher/sportscaster (NY Yankees, Minnesota Twins)
1942 Johnny Rivers singer (Secret Agent Man)
1943 Joni Mitchell Alberta Canada, singer (Clouds)
1944 Joe Niekro baseball knuckler (NY Yankees)
1949 Judy Tenuda comedienne (Spotlight Cafe)
1951 Nick Guilder singer (Hot Child in the City)
1957 Dr Jonathan Palmer formula-1 racer
1957 Kathy McMillan long jumper (1976 Olympics silver)
1961 Mintcho Pachov Bulgaria, 67.5kg weightlifter (Olympic-bronze-1980)
1964 Liam O'Maonlai rocker (Hothouse Flowers-Don't Go)
1972 Christopher Daniel Barnes actor (Ross-Day by Day, As World Turns)
1972 Clive B. Barnes Portland Me, actor (Scott Hayden-Starman)



Deaths which occurred on November 07:
0739 Willibrord [Clemens], 1st bishop of Utrecht/saint 695-739, dies at 81
1225 Engelbert I, the Saint, archbishop of Cologne, murdered at 40
1573 Solomon Luria (Maharshal) talmudic author (Yam Shel Shelomo), dies
1796 Catharina II, "the Great", tsarina of Russia (1762-96), dies at 67
1837 Elijah P Lovejoy publisher, murdered by proslavery mob
1962 Eleanor Roosevelt Former 1st Lady, dies at 78 in NYC
1978 Gene Tunney former heavyweight boxing champ, dies at 80
1980 Steve McQueen Slater MO, actor, dies at 50
1992 Alexander Dubcek, premier Czechoslovakia (1968-69), dies at 70
1994 Michael O'Donoghue, comedian/writer (SNL), dies at 54


Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1967 DIEHL WILLIAM CALVIN---BARTLESVILLE OK.
[03/06/74 REMAINS RETURNED]
1967 ELLIS LEON F.---COMMERCE GA.
[03/14/73 RELEASED BY DRV, ALIVE AND WELL 98]
1967 FISHER KENNETH---BRONX NY.
[03/14/73 RELEASED BY DRV, ALIVE AND WELL 98]
1972 BROWN ROBERT M.---PORTSMOUTH VA.
1972 CARROLL JOHN L.---DECATUR GA.
1972 MORRISSEY ROBERT D.---ALBUQUERQUE NM.

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied
by the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.


On this day...
0680 3rd Council of Constantinople (6th ecumenical council) opens
1631 Pierre Gassendi observes transit of Mercury predicted by Kepler
1775 Lord Dunmore, promises freedom to male slaves who join British army
1805 Lewis & Clark 1st sight Pacific Ocean
1811 Battle of Tippecanoe, gave Harrison a presidential slogan
1814 Andrew Jackson attacks and captures Pensacola, Florida, defeating the Spanish and driving out a British force.
1837 Abolitionist Elijah Lovejoy murdered by mob at Alton, Ill
1864 2nd session of congress of Confederate States of America reconvenes
1865 London Gazette, oldest surviving journal, is founded
1872 Mary Celeste sails from NY to Genoa; found abandoned 4 weeks later
1874 1st cartoon depicting elephant as Republican Party symbol, by Thomas Nast, a political cartoonist for "Harper’s Weekly", created a satirical drawing of an elephant about to fall into a giant hole. The elephant represented the Republican party and lampooned Ulysses S. Grant’s (R) possible bid for a third term.
1875 Verney Cameron is 1st European to cross equatorial Africa
1876 Edward Bouchet, is 1st black to receive a PhD in US college (Yale)
1876 Meharry Medical College established at Central Tennessee College
1876 President Rutherford B Hayes & Samuel J Tilden claim presidential victory
1885 Canadian Pacific Railway completed at Craigellachie
1893 State Colorado accept female suffrage
1909 Knights & Ladies of St Peter Claver organizes in Mobile Alabama
1914 Japan attack German concession on Chinese peninsula of Shanghai
1915 Austrian submarine torpedoes Italian passenger ship (272 kill)
1916 Grand duke Nikolai Nikolayevich warns czar of uprising
1916 Jeannette Rankin (Mont-R-Rep) 1st woman Representative
1916 Woodrow Wilson (D) re-elected President
1917 British capture Gaza Palestine from the Turks
1917 Russia's October (Bolshevik) Revolution continued as forces led by Vladimir Ilyich Lenin overthrew the provisional government of Alexander Kerensky.
1918 Goddard demonstrates tube-launched solid propellant rockets
1918 United Press erroneously reports WW I armistice had been signed
1921 Benito Mussolini declares himself to be leader of the National Fascist Party in Italy.
1933 Pennsylvania voters overturn blue law, by permitting Sunday sports
1934 Arthur L Mitchell, becomes 1st black Democratic congressman (Ill)
1940 Tacoma Narrows (Galloping Gertie) Bridge collapses, Wash
1942 1st US President to broadcast in a foreign language-FDR in French
1943 Detroit Lions 0, NY Giants 0; last scoreless tie in NFL
1944 FDR wins 4th term in office, defeating Thomas E Dewey (R)
1951 Constitution of Jordan passed
1955 Supreme Court of Baltimore bans segregation in public recreational areas
1962 Glenn Hall set NHL record of 503 consecutive games as goalie
1962 Richard Nixon quits politics-You won't have Nixon to kick around
1963 1st black AL MVP-Elston Howard, NY Yankees
1964 NL keeps Braves in Milwaukee in 1965, can move to Atlanta in 1966
1966 Lunar Orbiter 2 launched by US
1967 Carl B Stokes elected 1st black mayor of a major city-Cleveland, Ohio
1967 LBJ signs a bill establishing Corporation for Public Broadcasting
1970 Race riots in Daytona Beach Florida
1972 President Nixon (R) re-elected defeating George McGovern (D)
1973 NJ becomes 1st state to allow girls into the little league
1976 "Gone With the Wind" televised
1982 Liz Taylor's 7th divorce (John Warner)
1983 Ali Haji-Sheikh kicks his 2nd NY Giant record 56 yard field goal
1983 Bomb explodes in US Capitol, causing heavy damage but no injuries
1984 STS 51-A launch scrubbed because of high shear winds
1985 Colombian troops end 27-hr siege of Bogota's Palace of Justice
1988 MLB all stars beat Japan 16-8 (Game 3 of 7)
1988 Sugar Ray Leonard KO's Donnie LaLonde
1989 Douglas Wilder elected 1st US black governor (D-Va)
1989 NYC elects its 1st black mayor (Dinkins) & female comp (Holtzman)
1991 Magic Johnson announces he has HIV virus & retires from Lakers
1991 Pro- and anti-Communist rallies took place in Moscow on the 74th anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution.
2000 Americans went to the polls for an election that would result in indecision for George W. Bush and Al Gore, with Florida's disputed electoral votes emerging as critical.
2000 Hillary Rodham Clinton became the first first lady to win public office, defeating Republican Rick Lazio for a U.S. Senate seat from New York.
2001 U.S.-led jets resumed bombing in northern Afghanistan, targeting Taliban positions near the country's northeastern border with Tajikistan.
2002 Atlanta police said ballistic tests have linked a fatal shooting at an Atlanta liquor store in September to the suspected Washington-area snipers.



Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Mexico : National Railway Memorial Day (1907)
USSR, Bulgaria, Hungary, Mongolia : October Revolution Day (1917)
US : PMS Stress Day
International Doll Collectors Month


Religious Observances
Christian : World Community Day (pray for peace)
RC, Ang : Com of St Willibrord, archbishop of Utrecht, Missionary to Frisia
Luth : Commemoration of John Heyer, missionary to India



Religious History
1637 Controversial colonial religious leader Anne Hutchinson, 46, was convicted of spreading heresy and banished from the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Mrs. Hutchinson afterward relocated in Rhode Island with her family and friends.
1793 During the French Revolution, "Christianity" was abolished on this date. Reason was deified, and as many as 2,000 churches were afterward destroyed throughout France.
1828 Birth of American biblical lexicographer Joseph Henry Thayer. A Congregationalist pastor, Thayer's main interest was New Testament language and in 1886 he published his definitive "Greek_English Lexicon of the New Testament."
1837 American Presbyterian abolitionist and newspaper editor Elijah P. Lovejoy, 35, was murdered. Forced earlier to move his business from St. Louis to Alton, Illinois, Lovejoy was shot during the night by an anti_abolitionist mob while defending his presses.
1847 Birth of Will L. Thompson, American songwriter. With a major interest in sacred music, Thompson's pen has left the Church two enduring hymns: "Jesus is All the World to Me" and "Softly and Tenderly Jesus is Calling."

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.



Thought for the day :
"Faith is the daring of the soul to go farther than it can see."


Office Inspirational Sayings...
INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY


Children's stories that never made it...
The Care Bears Maul Some Campers and are Shot Dead


Handy Latin Phrases...
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
It was that way when I got here.


Gloat
John Edwards has come so unglued, he actually has a hair out of place.


25 posted on 11/07/2004 6:22:34 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Morning Grzegorz 246.

The sound of Hueys is one I'll never forget.


26 posted on 11/07/2004 6:47:50 AM PST by SAMWolf (Whapped upside the head with a lime . . . another drive-by fruiting.)
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To: Aeronaut

Morning Aeronaut.


27 posted on 11/07/2004 6:48:04 AM PST by SAMWolf (Whapped upside the head with a lime . . . another drive-by fruiting.)
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To: alfa6

Morning Alfa6.

The best part is we we got the whole sales area painted and kept 98% of the paint on the walls. :-)


28 posted on 11/07/2004 6:49:23 AM PST by SAMWolf (Whapped upside the head with a lime . . . another drive-by fruiting.)
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To: E.G.C.

Morning E.G.C.

We have our standard Fall morning fog. The days have been turning out to be nice sunny and in the 50's.


29 posted on 11/07/2004 6:50:35 AM PST by SAMWolf (Whapped upside the head with a lime . . . another drive-by fruiting.)
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To: GailA

Good Morning GailA.


30 posted on 11/07/2004 6:50:56 AM PST by SAMWolf (Whapped upside the head with a lime . . . another drive-by fruiting.)
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To: U S Army EOD
Morning EOD

I wonder if there is any satistics on people who suffered three minor wounds who left verses the ones who stayed with their buddies.

9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).

Only 1 is on record as getting to leave after receiving three minor wounds.

31 posted on 11/07/2004 6:53:36 AM PST by SAMWolf (Whapped upside the head with a lime . . . another drive-by fruiting.)
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To: Samwise

Morning Samwise.

Kerry and traitor

Kerry and gigalo

Kerry and political opportunist

Kerry and Kennedy sock puppet


32 posted on 11/07/2004 6:55:44 AM PST by SAMWolf (Whapped upside the head with a lime . . . another drive-by fruiting.)
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To: The Mayor
Up early. We painted the interior of the "Sam and Snippy" store yesterday and I am paying for it this morning. LOL.

Most of our months of planning and working on getting it started has not involved physical work up to now. Starting yesterday that changed and I feel it today.

33 posted on 11/07/2004 6:56:57 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
I had it there before I didn't have it in there. ;-)

LOL!

34 posted on 11/07/2004 6:57:00 AM PST by SAMWolf (Whapped upside the head with a lime . . . another drive-by fruiting.)
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To: The Mayor

Morning Mayor.

Your coffee and words sure make a chilly morning better.


35 posted on 11/07/2004 6:58:04 AM PST by SAMWolf (Whapped upside the head with a lime . . . another drive-by fruiting.)
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To: Valin
Gloat
John Edwards has come so unglued, he actually has a hair out of place.

ROTFLOL!

I think I will be able to enjoy all this gloating for at least 4 years. ;-)

36 posted on 11/07/2004 6:58:23 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin
1980 Steve McQueen Slater MO, actor, dies at 50

One of the good TV Westerns.

37 posted on 11/07/2004 7:06:17 AM PST by SAMWolf (Whapped upside the head with a lime . . . another drive-by fruiting.)
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To: snippy_about_it
"87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem."

Boy, is THAT ever a change.

I while back I was discussing the National Guard in Viet Nam with a person strongly advocating the National Guard role there. I told her I had never heard of any National Guard people in Viet Nam. I told her that Viet Nam guys pretty much saw the National Guard as a way the well connected managed to stay in the States. In my era the National Guard was impossible to get into.

I see that they say 6140 National Guard served in Viet Nam. Could be. Wonder what their casualty rate was. They weren't over there when I was, as far as I can tell. 6140 is about one twentieth of one percent of the guys who went over there, doing the arithmetic.

To be fair, the responsibility rests with LBJ, who did not want to send the Guard and Reserve, figured it might cost him votes, the bastard.
38 posted on 11/07/2004 7:07:08 AM PST by Iris7 (.....to protect the Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.)
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To: Iris7
I had to look again to find the stats:

Draftees vs Volunteers

25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted in WWII).

Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

Reservist killed: 5,977

National Guard: 6,140 served; 101 died.

Total draftees (1965-73): 1,728,344

Actually in served in Vietnam: 38%

I second your thoughts on LBJ.

39 posted on 11/07/2004 7:13:17 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Iris7
As usual, the MSM has touted many myths and lies about Vietnam Veterans. Over the years they've painted a picture of our veterans that is just not true. Of course the veterans and friends of the Foxhole have always known that.

Here are some more stats:

Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison - only 1/2 of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.

97% were discharged under honorable conditions; the same percentage of honorable discharges as ten years prior to Vietnam.

85% of Vietnam Veterans made a successful transition to civilian life.

Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent.

Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than our non-vet age group.

87% of the American people hold Vietnam Vets in high esteem.

Myth: Most Vietnam veterans were drafted.

2/3 of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers. 2/3 of the men who served in World War II were drafted. [Westmoreland] Approximately 70% of those killed were volunteers.

Myth: The media have reported that suicides among Vietnam veterans range from 50,000 to 100,000 - 6 to 11 times the non-Vietnam veteran population.

Mortality studies show that 9,000 is a better estimate. "The CDC Vietnam Experience Study Mortality Assessment showed that during the first 5 years after discharge, deaths from suicide were 1.7 times more likely among Vietnam veterans than non-Vietnam veterans. After that initial post-service period, Vietnam veterans were no more likely to die from suicide than non-Vietnam veterans. In fact, after the 5-year post-service period, the rate of suicides is less in the Vietnam veterans' group."

Myth: A disproportionate number of blacks were killed in the Vietnam War.

86% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasians, 12.5% were black, 1.2% were other races.

Sociologists Charles C. Moskos and John Sibley Butler, in their recently published book "All That We Can Be," said they analyzed the claim that blacks were used like cannon fodder during Vietnam "and can report definitely that this charge is untrue. Black fatalities amounted to 12 percent of all Americans killed in Southeast Asia - a figure proportional to the number of blacks in the U.S. population at the time and slightly lower than the proportion of blacks in the Army at the close of the war."

Myth: The war was fought largely by the poor and uneducated.

Servicemen who went to Vietnam from well-to-do areas had a slightly elevated risk of dying because they were more likely to be pilots or infantry officers.

Vietnam Veterans were the best educated forces our nation had ever sent into combat. 79% had a high school education or better.


40 posted on 11/07/2004 7:25:12 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise
Good morning ladies. Flag-o-gram.


41 posted on 11/07/2004 7:27:43 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Who knows, after we perfect the telegraph, it may be possible to someday send voices over wires.)
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To: Professional Engineer; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Samwise; PhilDragoo; Matthew Paul; radu; ...

Good morning everyone.

42 posted on 11/07/2004 7:47:15 AM PST by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte.~)
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To: All

~Josh Groban~You Raise Me Up~

43 posted on 11/07/2004 8:08:58 AM PST by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte.~)
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To: snippy_about_it

Myth: A disproportionate number of blacks were killed in the Vietnam War.


86% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasians, 12.5% were black, 1.2% were other races.


Will this EVER be put to rest? I Doubt it, it's to useful to the left.


44 posted on 11/07/2004 8:17:08 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: snippy_about_it; Valin
Hey snippy - those stats are thought provoking...

Thanks for the ping Valin!! The one that go me was this one:

9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).

WOW!! Over 9 million. That's an awful lot of heroes to be thanking!! God bless every last one of them!

45 posted on 11/07/2004 8:39:14 AM PST by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden; it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
We painted the interior of the "Sam and Snippy" store yesterday

And what is this store all about?

46 posted on 11/07/2004 9:54:24 AM PST by The Mayor (The fires of life will not destroy you if you're watered by the River of Life.)
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To: snippy_about_it
GA, snippy!

fyi:

1.duckie went to the jewelry store this AM & called me on the cellphone to tell me that she was SOOOOOOO SAD that she saw NOTHING that she wanted to buy, that she didn't already have! (i HAD to LOL after she hung up!)

2. she's headed to the BX & commissiary next &

3. then off to buy SHOES & PURSES again. (she NEEDS "dressy flats" in at least 3 colors - navy,red & ????, she said. i can smell the credit cards SMOKING again!)

hugs & free dixie,duckie/sw

47 posted on 11/07/2004 10:20:24 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: snippy_about_it
btw, (reference #47) my GRRRRL is nothing if NOT CONSISTENT!

free dixie,sw

48 posted on 11/07/2004 10:26:40 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; PhilDragoo; All
Hi everybody. Happy Sunday, all.


49 posted on 11/07/2004 11:23:26 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
FUNNY!

free dixie,sw

50 posted on 11/07/2004 11:35:04 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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