The FReeper Foxhole - Vietnam War Statistics - November 7th, 2004

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[The Mayor]

November 7, 2004

The War Is Over!

Read: Hebrews 4

[Jesus] came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. —Ephesians 2:17

Bible In One Year: Jeremiah 40-42; Hebrews 4

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The bitter conflict had finally ended between the North and the South. The soldiers of the US Civil War were free to return to their families. But a number of them remained hidden in the woods, living on berries. They either didn't hear or didn't believe that the war was over, so they continued enduring miserable conditions when they could have been back home.

It's something like that in the spiritual realm too. Christ made peace between God and man by dying in our place. He paid sin's penalty on the cross. Anyone who accepts His sacrifice will be forgiven by a holy God.

Sadly, many people refuse to believe the gospel and continue to live as spiritual fugitives. Sometimes even those who have placed their trust in Christ live on almost the same level. Either out of ignorance or unwillingness, they fail to claim the promises of God's Word. They do not experience the joy and assurance that should accompany salvation. They do not draw from their relationship with God the comfort and peace He intends for His children. They are the objects of His love, care, and provision but live as if they were orphans.

Have you been living apart from the comfort, love, and care of your heavenly Father? Come on home. The war is over! —Richard De Haan

We fail, O Lord, to realize
The fullness of what You have done,
So help us trust Your saving work
And claim the triumph You have won. —D. De Haan

Christ's victory over death means peace for His saints.

[snippy_about_it]

Good morning EGC. It's 6 a.m. here and dark.

[snippy_about_it]

Thank you Mayor. Good morning.

[The Mayor]

Good morning snippy!

Up early or real late?

[Valin]

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on November 07:
0994 Muhammad ibn Hazm historian/jurist/writer of Islamic Spain
1598 Francisco de Zurbaran Spain, Baroque painter (baptized)
1832 Andrew Dickson White educator/1st President of Cornell
1856 Semyon Zonovyevich Alapin Vilna, tied for chess 1st place (1878)
1867 Madame Marie Sklodowska Curie discovered radium (Nobel 1903, 1911)
1876 Culbert Olson Fillmore UT, (Gov-D-Cal)
1879 Leon Trotsky Russian Communist theorist, Bolshevik
1883 Elder Lightfoot Solomon Michaux Newport News VA, TV preacher
1888 Sir Chandrasekhara Raman India, physicist (Nobel 1930)
1903 Dean Jagger Lima Ohio, actor (Albert Vane-Mr Novak, Elmer Gantry)
1903 Konrad Lorenz zoologist/ethologist/writer (Nobel 1973)
1913 Albert Camus Algeria, novelist/director (The Just-Nobel 1957)
1916 Joe Bushkin NYC, jazz pianist (A Couple of Joes)
1918 Billy Graham Charlotte NC, evangelist (Crusades)
1922 Al Hirt New Orleans LA, jazz trumpeter (Greatest Horn in the World)
1926 Joan Sutherland Sydney Australia, operatic soprano (Met Opera)
1936 Barry Newman Boston MA, actor (Amy, Deadline, Petrocelli)
1936 Gwyneth Jones Pontnewyndd Wales, soprano (Die Walkyre)
1937 Mary Travers (singer, Peter, Paul and Mary)
1938 Dee Clark Arkansas, singer (Hambone, Nobody But You)
1938 James Katt pitcher/sportscaster (NY Yankees, Minnesota Twins)
1942 Johnny Rivers singer (Secret Agent Man)
1943 Joni Mitchell Alberta Canada, singer (Clouds)
1944 Joe Niekro baseball knuckler (NY Yankees)
1949 Judy Tenuda comedienne (Spotlight Cafe)
1951 Nick Guilder singer (Hot Child in the City)
1957 Dr Jonathan Palmer formula-1 racer
1957 Kathy McMillan long jumper (1976 Olympics silver)
1961 Mintcho Pachov Bulgaria, 67.5kg weightlifter (Olympic-bronze-1980)
1964 Liam O'Maonlai rocker (Hothouse Flowers-Don't Go)
1972 Christopher Daniel Barnes actor (Ross-Day by Day, As World Turns)
1972 Clive B. Barnes Portland Me, actor (Scott Hayden-Starman)

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Deaths which occurred on November 07:
0739 Willibrord [Clemens], 1st bishop of Utrecht/saint 695-739, dies at 81
1225 Engelbert I, the Saint, archbishop of Cologne, murdered at 40
1573 Solomon Luria (Maharshal) talmudic author (Yam Shel Shelomo), dies
1796 Catharina II, "the Great", tsarina of Russia (1762-96), dies at 67
1837 Elijah P Lovejoy publisher, murdered by proslavery mob
1962 Eleanor Roosevelt Former 1st Lady, dies at 78 in NYC
1978 Gene Tunney former heavyweight boxing champ, dies at 80
1980 Steve McQueen Slater MO, actor, dies at 50
1992 Alexander Dubcek, premier Czechoslovakia (1968-69), dies at 70
1994 Michael O'Donoghue, comedian/writer (SNL), dies at 54

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Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1967 DIEHL WILLIAM CALVIN---BARTLESVILLE OK.
[03/06/74 REMAINS RETURNED]
1967 ELLIS LEON F.---COMMERCE GA.
[03/14/73 RELEASED BY DRV, ALIVE AND WELL 98]
1967 FISHER KENNETH---BRONX NY.
[03/14/73 RELEASED BY DRV, ALIVE AND WELL 98]
1972 BROWN ROBERT M.---PORTSMOUTH VA.
1972 CARROLL JOHN L.---DECATUR GA.
1972 MORRISSEY ROBERT D.---ALBUQUERQUE NM.

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied
by the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.

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On this day...
0680 3rd Council of Constantinople (6th ecumenical council) opens
1631 Pierre Gassendi observes transit of Mercury predicted by Kepler
1775 Lord Dunmore, promises freedom to male slaves who join British army
1805 Lewis & Clark 1st sight Pacific Ocean
1811 Battle of Tippecanoe, gave Harrison a presidential slogan
1814 Andrew Jackson attacks and captures Pensacola, Florida, defeating the Spanish and driving out a British force.
1837 Abolitionist Elijah Lovejoy murdered by mob at Alton, Ill
1864 2nd session of congress of Confederate States of America reconvenes
1865 London Gazette, oldest surviving journal, is founded
1872 Mary Celeste sails from NY to Genoa; found abandoned 4 weeks later
1874 1st cartoon depicting elephant as Republican Party symbol, by Thomas Nast, a political cartoonist for "Harper’s Weekly", created a satirical drawing of an elephant about to fall into a giant hole. The elephant represented the Republican party and lampooned Ulysses S. Grant’s (R) possible bid for a third term.
1875 Verney Cameron is 1st European to cross equatorial Africa
1876 Edward Bouchet, is 1st black to receive a PhD in US college (Yale)
1876 Meharry Medical College established at Central Tennessee College
1876 President Rutherford B Hayes & Samuel J Tilden claim presidential victory
1885 Canadian Pacific Railway completed at Craigellachie
1893 State Colorado accept female suffrage
1909 Knights & Ladies of St Peter Claver organizes in Mobile Alabama
1914 Japan attack German concession on Chinese peninsula of Shanghai
1915 Austrian submarine torpedoes Italian passenger ship (272 kill)
1916 Grand duke Nikolai Nikolayevich warns czar of uprising
1916 Jeannette Rankin (Mont-R-Rep) 1st woman Representative
1916 Woodrow Wilson (D) re-elected President
1917 British capture Gaza Palestine from the Turks
1917 Russia's October (Bolshevik) Revolution continued as forces led by Vladimir Ilyich Lenin overthrew the provisional government of Alexander Kerensky.
1918 Goddard demonstrates tube-launched solid propellant rockets
1918 United Press erroneously reports WW I armistice had been signed
1921 Benito Mussolini declares himself to be leader of the National Fascist Party in Italy.
1933 Pennsylvania voters overturn blue law, by permitting Sunday sports
1934 Arthur L Mitchell, becomes 1st black Democratic congressman (Ill)
1940 Tacoma Narrows (Galloping Gertie) Bridge collapses, Wash
1942 1st US President to broadcast in a foreign language-FDR in French
1943 Detroit Lions 0, NY Giants 0; last scoreless tie in NFL
1944 FDR wins 4th term in office, defeating Thomas E Dewey (R)
1951 Constitution of Jordan passed
1955 Supreme Court of Baltimore bans segregation in public recreational areas
1962 Glenn Hall set NHL record of 503 consecutive games as goalie
1962 Richard Nixon quits politics-You won't have Nixon to kick around
1963 1st black AL MVP-Elston Howard, NY Yankees
1964 NL keeps Braves in Milwaukee in 1965, can move to Atlanta in 1966
1966 Lunar Orbiter 2 launched by US
1967 Carl B Stokes elected 1st black mayor of a major city-Cleveland, Ohio
1967 LBJ signs a bill establishing Corporation for Public Broadcasting
1970 Race riots in Daytona Beach Florida
1972 President Nixon (R) re-elected defeating George McGovern (D)
1973 NJ becomes 1st state to allow girls into the little league
1976 "Gone With the Wind" televised
1982 Liz Taylor's 7th divorce (John Warner)
1983 Ali Haji-Sheikh kicks his 2nd NY Giant record 56 yard field goal
1983 Bomb explodes in US Capitol, causing heavy damage but no injuries
1984 STS 51-A launch scrubbed because of high shear winds
1985 Colombian troops end 27-hr siege of Bogota's Palace of Justice
1988 MLB all stars beat Japan 16-8 (Game 3 of 7)
1988 Sugar Ray Leonard KO's Donnie LaLonde
1989 Douglas Wilder elected 1st US black governor (D-Va)
1989 NYC elects its 1st black mayor (Dinkins) & female comp (Holtzman)
1991 Magic Johnson announces he has HIV virus & retires from Lakers
1991 Pro- and anti-Communist rallies took place in Moscow on the 74th anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution.
2000 Americans went to the polls for an election that would result in indecision for George W. Bush and Al Gore, with Florida's disputed electoral votes emerging as critical.
2000 Hillary Rodham Clinton became the first first lady to win public office, defeating Republican Rick Lazio for a U.S. Senate seat from New York.
2001 U.S.-led jets resumed bombing in northern Afghanistan, targeting Taliban positions near the country's northeastern border with Tajikistan.
2002 Atlanta police said ballistic tests have linked a fatal shooting at an Atlanta liquor store in September to the suspected Washington-area snipers.

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Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Mexico : National Railway Memorial Day (1907)
USSR, Bulgaria, Hungary, Mongolia : October Revolution Day (1917)
US : PMS Stress Day
International Doll Collectors Month

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Religious Observances
Christian : World Community Day (pray for peace)
RC, Ang : Com of St Willibrord, archbishop of Utrecht, Missionary to Frisia
Luth : Commemoration of John Heyer, missionary to India

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Religious History
1637 Controversial colonial religious leader Anne Hutchinson, 46, was convicted of spreading heresy and banished from the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Mrs. Hutchinson afterward relocated in Rhode Island with her family and friends.
1793 During the French Revolution, "Christianity" was abolished on this date. Reason was deified, and as many as 2,000 churches were afterward destroyed throughout France.
1828 Birth of American biblical lexicographer Joseph Henry Thayer. A Congregationalist pastor, Thayer's main interest was New Testament language and in 1886 he published his definitive "Greek_English Lexicon of the New Testament."
1837 American Presbyterian abolitionist and newspaper editor Elijah P. Lovejoy, 35, was murdered. Forced earlier to move his business from St. Louis to Alton, Illinois, Lovejoy was shot during the night by an anti_abolitionist mob while defending his presses.
1847 Birth of Will L. Thompson, American songwriter. With a major interest in sacred music, Thompson's pen has left the Church two enduring hymns: "Jesus is All the World to Me" and "Softly and Tenderly Jesus is Calling."

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.

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Thought for the day :
"Faith is the daring of the soul to go farther than it can see."

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Office Inspirational Sayings...
INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY

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Children's stories that never made it...
The Care Bears Maul Some Campers and are Shot Dead

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Handy Latin Phrases...
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
It was that way when I got here.

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Gloat
John Edwards has come so unglued, he actually has a hair out of place.

[SAMWolf]

Morning Grzegorz 246.

The sound of Hueys is one I'll never forget.

[SAMWolf]

Morning Aeronaut.

[SAMWolf]

Morning Alfa6.

The best part is we we got the whole sales area painted and kept 98% of the paint on the walls. :-)

[SAMWolf]

Morning E.G.C.

We have our standard Fall morning fog. The days have been turning out to be nice sunny and in the 50's.

[SAMWolf]

Good Morning GailA.

[SAMWolf]

Morning EOD

I wonder if there is any satistics on people who suffered three minor wounds who left verses the ones who stayed with their buddies.

9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).

Only 1 is on record as getting to leave after receiving three minor wounds.

[SAMWolf]

Morning Samwise.

Kerry and traitor

Kerry and gigalo

Kerry and political opportunist

Kerry and Kennedy sock puppet

[snippy_about_it]

Up early. We painted the interior of the "Sam and Snippy" store yesterday and I am paying for it this morning. LOL.

Most of our months of planning and working on getting it started has not involved physical work up to now. Starting yesterday that changed and I feel it today.

[SAMWolf]

I had it there before I didn't have it in there. ;-)

LOL!

[SAMWolf]

Morning Mayor.

Your coffee and words sure make a chilly morning better.

[snippy_about_it]

Gloat
John Edwards has come so unglued, he actually has a hair out of place.

ROTFLOL!

I think I will be able to enjoy all this gloating for at least 4 years. ;-)

[SAMWolf]

1980 Steve McQueen Slater MO, actor, dies at 50

One of the good TV Westerns.

[Iris7]

"87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem."

Boy, is THAT ever a change.

I while back I was discussing the National Guard in Viet Nam with a person strongly advocating the National Guard role there. I told her I had never heard of any National Guard people in Viet Nam. I told her that Viet Nam guys pretty much saw the National Guard as a way the well connected managed to stay in the States. In my era the National Guard was impossible to get into.

I see that they say 6140 National Guard served in Viet Nam. Could be. Wonder what their casualty rate was. They weren't over there when I was, as far as I can tell. 6140 is about one twentieth of one percent of the guys who went over there, doing the arithmetic.

To be fair, the responsibility rests with LBJ, who did not want to send the Guard and Reserve, figured it might cost him votes, the bastard.

[snippy_about_it]

I had to look again to find the stats:

Draftees vs Volunteers

25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted in WWII).

Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

Reservist killed: 5,977

National Guard: 6,140 served; 101 died.

Total draftees (1965-73): 1,728,344

Actually in served in Vietnam: 38%

I second your thoughts on LBJ.

[snippy_about_it]

As usual, the MSM has touted many myths and lies about Vietnam Veterans. Over the years they've painted a picture of our veterans that is just not true. Of course the veterans and friends of the Foxhole have always known that.

Here are some more stats:

Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison - only 1/2 of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.

97% were discharged under honorable conditions; the same percentage of honorable discharges as ten years prior to Vietnam.

85% of Vietnam Veterans made a successful transition to civilian life.

Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent.

Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than our non-vet age group.

87% of the American people hold Vietnam Vets in high esteem.

Myth: Most Vietnam veterans were drafted.

2/3 of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers. 2/3 of the men who served in World War II were drafted. [Westmoreland] Approximately 70% of those killed were volunteers.

Myth: The media have reported that suicides among Vietnam veterans range from 50,000 to 100,000 - 6 to 11 times the non-Vietnam veteran population.

Mortality studies show that 9,000 is a better estimate. "The CDC Vietnam Experience Study Mortality Assessment showed that during the first 5 years after discharge, deaths from suicide were 1.7 times more likely among Vietnam veterans than non-Vietnam veterans. After that initial post-service period, Vietnam veterans were no more likely to die from suicide than non-Vietnam veterans. In fact, after the 5-year post-service period, the rate of suicides is less in the Vietnam veterans' group."

Myth: A disproportionate number of blacks were killed in the Vietnam War.

86% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasians, 12.5% were black, 1.2% were other races.

Sociologists Charles C. Moskos and John Sibley Butler, in their recently published book "All That We Can Be," said they analyzed the claim that blacks were used like cannon fodder during Vietnam "and can report definitely that this charge is untrue. Black fatalities amounted to 12 percent of all Americans killed in Southeast Asia - a figure proportional to the number of blacks in the U.S. population at the time and slightly lower than the proportion of blacks in the Army at the close of the war."

Myth: The war was fought largely by the poor and uneducated.

Servicemen who went to Vietnam from well-to-do areas had a slightly elevated risk of dying because they were more likely to be pilots or infantry officers.

Vietnam Veterans were the best educated forces our nation had ever sent into combat. 79% had a high school education or better.