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The FReeper Foxhole - Profiles the GI Bill Education Benefits - Dec 28th, 2002
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Posted on 12/28/2002 12:03:29 AM PST by SAMWolf

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The GI Bill
From Roosevelt To Montgomery

Background
Purpose


The purposes of the current educational assistance program, known as the Montgomery GI Bill--Active Duty (MGIB), are stated in chapter 30 of title 38, United States Code. They are:

To help the members of the Armed Forces adjust to civilian life after separation from service
To give those who cannot afford a higher education the chance to get one
To restore lost educational opportunities and vocational readjustment to service members who lost these opportunities as the result of their active military duty
To promote and assist the All-Volunteer Force program of the Armed Forces
To aid in the retention of personnel in the Armed Forces
To enhance our Nation's competitiveness through the development of a more highly educated and productive work force

The purpose of the educational assistance program for Selected Reservists, known as the Montgomery GI Bill--Selected Reserve (MGIB-SR) is stated in chapter 1606 of title 10, United States Code. The purpose of this program is to encourage membership in units of the Selected Reserve and National Guard.

The purposes of the educational assistance program for dependents and survivors of veterans, The Dependents Educational Assistance Program (DEA), are stated in chapter 35 of title 38, United States Code. The purposes are:

To provide educational opportunities to children whose education is impeded or interrupted by the disability or death due to military service of a parent
To help prepare surviving spouses of veterans who died because of military service and spouses of veterans who are totally disabled, to support themselves and their families

Historical Perspective Early Veterans' Benefits


America has traditionally compensated its veterans for their services. Veterans' benefits, in fact, date back to the earliest days of our history. In 1636 the Pilgrims declared: "If any person shall be sent forth as a soldier and shall return maimed he shall be maintained competently by the Colony during his life." Early in the Revolutionary War, the Continental Congress created the first veterans' benefits package, which included life-long pensions for both disabled veterans and dependents of soldiers killed in battle. The last surviving dependent continued to receive benefits until 1911.

Veterans of the War of 1812, the Mexican War, the Civil War, the Indian wars, and the Spanish-American War also received benefits. The most common type of benefit was "mustering out" pay. Congress also passed several land grant acts during the 1850s to encourage the settling of the frontier. Veterans received more than forty-seven million acres of land as a result of these acts.

Education benefits for veterans date back to the beginning of the twentieth century. Congress recognized that military service prevented young people from receiving training for employment or a vocation and passed the Rehabilitation Act of 1919. This act gave veterans disabled in World War I a monthly education assistance allowance.

GI Bill of Rights




On June 22, 1944, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the "Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944," better known as the "GI Bill of Rights." At first the subject of intense debate and parliamentary maneuvering, the famed legislation for veterans of World War II has since been recognized as one of the most important acts of Congress. During the past five decades, the law has made possible the investment of billions of dollars in education and training for millions of veterans, and the nation has in return earned many times its investment in increased taxes and a dramatically changed society.

An Uncertain Beginning - Though the GI Bill became law in a fast-paced six months, many in Congress and educators at colleges and universities had serious misgivings. Some felt it was too expensive and would encourage sloth among veterans. Others feared veterans would lower standards in education. But dire economic predictions for the post-war years created a great pressure to pass offsetting legislation. Many saw a postwar America faced with the loss of millions of jobs, creating unprecedented unemployment. Many business and government leaders anticipated a widespread economic depression after the war. As early as 1942, plans were being made to handle the anticipated postwar problems. The National Resources Planning Board, a White House agency, had studied postwar manpower needs and in June 1943 recommended a series of programs for education and training.

It was the American Legion, however, that is credited with designing the main features of the GI Bill and pushing it through Congress. The Legion overcame objections by other organizations that the proposed bill was too sweeping and could jeopardize veterans getting any help at all. At the time Congress already had failed to act on about 640 bills concerning veterans. The GI Bill was introduced in the Congress in January 1944, and after a nationwide campaign it passed on June 13. President Roosevelt signed it into law on June 22. In the years since, legislation for veterans, often called GI Bills, has adjusted benefits to fit changes in America. Men and women in uniform still earn education benefits. In addition to being used to help veterans ease into civilian life, education benefits now are offered as an incentive to join the current all-volunteer military forces. We have included in the appendix to this report a brief summary of all of the GI Bill and amendatory laws passed since 1944. As background to our discussion of the current benefit programs, we have also outlined below the main provisions of the GI Bills associated with World War II, the Korean Conflict, and the Vietnam Era.

World War II GI Bill




The first GI Bill provided six benefits:

education and training
loan guaranty for a home, farm, or business
unemployment pay of $20 a week for up to 52 weeks
job-finding assistance
top priority for building materials for VA hospitals
military review of dishonorable discharges
The first three of these benefits were administered by VA.

To be eligible for GI Bill education benefits, a World War II veteran had to serve 90 days or more after September 16, 1940; and have other than a dishonorable discharge. Veterans of the war were entitled to one year of full-time training plus a period equal to their time in service, up to a maximum of 48 months.

VA paid the educational institution up to a maximum of $500 a year for tuition, books, fees, and other training costs. VA also paid the single veteran a subsistence allowance of up to $50 a month. This was increased to $65 a month in 1946 and to $75 a month in 1948. Allowances for veterans with dependents were higher.

This program ended July 25, 1956. In the peak year of 1947, veterans accounted for 49 percent of college enrollment. Out of a veteran population of 15,440,000, some 7.8 million were trained, including:

2,230,000 in college
3,480,000 in other schools
1,400,000 in on-job training
690,000 in farm training

Total cost of the World War II education program was $14.5 billion. Millions who would have flooded the labor market instead opted for education, which reduced joblessness during the demobilization period. When they did enter the labor market, most were better prepared to contribute to the support of their families and society.

Korean Conflict GI Bill




Public Law 550, the "Veterans Readjustment Assistance Act of 1952, " was approved by President Truman on July 16, 1952. To be eligible for Korean GI Bill benefits, a veteran had to:

serve 90 days or more after June 27, 1950,
enter service before Feb. 1, 1955, and
receive an other than dishonorable discharge.

Like the World War II program, the Korean GI Bill provided education and training benefits as well as home, farm, and business loans. But unlike the federally funded unemployment allowance for World War II veterans, it made payment of unemployment compensation a state function.

VA paid a single veteran an education benefit of up to $110 a month, out of which the veteran paid for tuition, books, fees, supplies, and other training costs. Allowances for veterans with dependents were higher. The decision to have veterans pay for their tuition and books was made after Congressional hearings disclosed fraud by colleges and other institutions in the program for World War II veterans. Korean Conflict veterans were entitled to GI Bill education and training for a period equal to one and one-half times their active service, up to a maximum of 36 months of training.

This program ended on January 31, 1965. During the course of the program, 2,391,000 of 5,509,000 eligible veterans received training, including:

1,213,000 in institutions of higher learning
860,000 in other schools
223,000 on the job
95,000 in institutional on-farm training
Total cost of the Korean Conflict GI Bill education and training program was $4.5 billion.

Post-Korean - Vietnam Era GI Bill


Public Law 358, the "Veterans Readjustment Benefits Act of 1966, " was approved by President Lyndon B. Johnson on March 3, 1966. Home and farm loans, job counseling, and an employment placement service were other benefits provided. The education and training program went into effect on June 1, 1966. It was retroactive, providing benefits to Post-Korean veterans, who served between February 1, 1955, and August 4, 1964, as well as to Vietnam Era veterans, who served between August 5, 1964, and May 7, 1975. For the first time in GI Bill history, service personnel also were eligible for GI Bill education and training while they were on active duty.

To be eligible, a veteran had to serve more than 180 continuous days, any part of which was after January 31, 1955, and have other than a dishonorable discharge. Participants on active duty had to have two years of service. This was later changed to 180 days.

Originally, this GI Bill provided one month of education and training for each month of service, for a maximum of 36 months. In December 1976, maximum entitlement was extended to 45 months.

A major change in 1967 enabled veterans to take cooperative farm, on-job, flight and correspondence training. Disadvantaged veterans, those who did not finish high school before entering service, were given full VA benefits while completing high school without losing any entitlement for college or other training.

VA paid the veteran directly, out of which he or she paid tuition, fees, books, and other training costs. At first, a single veteran received up to $100 a month. Later legislation increased this rate as the following table shows:

Year in Which Rate Increased
Rate for Single Veteran

1967 - $130
1970 - $175
1972 - $220
1974 - $270
1976 - $292
1977 - $311
1980 - $327
1981 - $342
1984 - $376


This program ended on December 31, 1989. During the years of the program, a total of 8.2 million veterans and service members received training, as follows:

5.1 million in colleges
2.5 million in other schools
591,000 on the job
56,000 in on farm training
VA spent more than $42 billion during this time to provide educational assistance.



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Description of Current Programs

38 U.S.C. Chapter 32, Post-Vietnam Era Veterans' Educational Assistance Program (VEAP)

VEAP was the first GI Bill program which required a contribution by the service member. It was available to people who entered on active duty between December 31, 1976, and July 1, 1985. These service members could volunteer to contribute between $25 and $100 a month which would be matched on a 2-for-1 basis by the government. Total contribution by the service person could be no more than $2700, but DOD could make additional contributions, or "kickers", into the fund on behalf of individuals in critical military fields to encourage enlistment or reenlistment in the Armed Forces. In 1996, Public Law 104-275 provided that certain VEAP participants who were on active duty on October 9, 1996, could elect MGIB. The deadline for this election was October 8, 1997. 41,041 veterans and servicepersons took advantage of this opportunity to elect MGIB. Here is a summary of the main features of VEAP:

First entered on active duty after December 31, 1976 and before July 1, 1985
Contributed to VEAP while on active duty and before April 1, 1987
Maximum contribution of $2700
Government matches $2 for $1
Maximum entitlement is 36 months
Must be used within ten years of discharge from the service
Refunds of unused contributions available
Additional "kickers" from DOD
Current full-time VEAP rate is $300 per month plus any DOD "kicker"



38 U.S.C. Chapter 30, Montgomery G. I. Bill - Active Duty Educational Assistance Program (MGIB)

MGIB is the education program for individuals initially entering active duty after June 30, 1985. Payments for MGIB benefits currently represent 78 percent of the total VA educational assistance payments. MGIB was enacted not only to help with the readjustment of discharged service members, but also to support the concept of an all volunteer armed force. With this in mind, a provision was made to allow certain veterans with remaining entitlement under the Vietnam Era GI Bill, to qualify for MGIB benefits if they continued their active duty.

MGIB is available to honorably discharged veterans and to service-members. Although there are a number of categories of eligibles, generally, veterans must:

meet their basic service requirement,
have completed their high school education or its equivalent, and
receive an honorable discharge.

MGIB is a contributory program. Service pay is automatically reduced by $100 per month for 12 months unless the service person declines to participate at the time of enlistment. Individuals on active duty must complete a minimum of two years of continuous active duty to be eligible. Qualified service members with remaining Vietnam Era entitlement are exempt from the pay reduction requirement.

The MGIB benefit rate varies depending on active service and Selected Reserve obligation.

MGIB has proven to be extremely popular among young people enlisting in the services. 94.8 percent of those who enlisted in service in Fiscal Year 1996 enrolled in the program. 75.7 percent of all enlistees since the inception of the program have enrolled.

The following briefly summarizes major MGIB provisions:

Served on active duty after June 30, 1985.
Must fulfill one's basic service obligation.
Must have completed high school.
Received an honorable discharge.
Maximum entitlement is 36 months.
Additional "kicker" as determined by DOD.
Generally must use benefits within 10 years following discharge.

10 U.S.C. Chapter 1606, Montgomery G. I. Bill - Selected Reserve Educational Assistance Program (MGIB-SR)

MGIB-SR is the first GI Bill to provide educational assistance to members of the Selected Reserve (including National Guard units.) This program is primarily an incentive for recruitment into the Selected Reserve. DOD funds this program and is responsible for determining eligibility to MGIB-SR. VA administers the program. In general to be eligible, a reservist must:

have accepted a six year reserve obligation after July 1, 1985,
have completed high school or its equivalent,
have completed Initial Active Duty for Training (IADT), and
continue to satisfactorily participate in required Selected Reserve training.

Eligible reservists are currently entitled to full-time education benefits of $208.93 monthly in MGIB-SR benefits. Some states are now offering their own tuition assistance programs to complement the MGIB-SR benefits. Generally reservists must maintain their Selected Reserve status to receive benefits. While other VA programs usually give the veteran ten years from the date of military discharge to use benefits, MGIB-SR must be used within 10 years from the date eligibility began. Here is a summary of the main features of MGIB-SR:

Based on a 6-year Selected Reserve obligation after July 1, 1985

Must have completed high school education
remain a member in good standing
Maximum entitlement is 36 months
Current full-time rate is $208.93 per month
Generally must use benefits within 10 years of date eligibility began

38 U.S.C. Chapter 35, Survivors' and Dependents' Educational Assistance Program (DEA)

DEA is the only VA educational assistance program designed for students who have never served in the Armed Forces. Public Law 84-634, The War Orphans' Educational Assistance Act of 1956, established this benefit program. It is therefore the oldest active VA educational assistance program. DEA provides educational assistance to the spouses and children of living veterans who:

are permanently and totally disabled because of a service-connected disability, or
have been listed for more than 90 days as missing in action, or
were captured in line of duty, or
are detained or interned in line of duty by a hostile force or foreign government.

DEA provides educational assistance to surviving spouses and children of veterans who: died while on active duty, or
died as the result of a disability arising from active duty, or
died from any cause while rated permanently and totally disabled from service-connected disability.

Here is a summary of the main features of DEA:

Eligibility is based on the veteran's service-connected death, total service-connected disability, or MIA/POW/hostage status.
Current full-time DEA rate is $404 per month.
Maximum entitlement is 45 months.
Children generally have eight years in which to use benefits.
With some exceptions, children must be between ages 18 and 26.
Spouses have ten years in which to use benefits.
A spouse's remarriage bars further benefits, but a child's marriage does not affect eligibility.

1 posted on 12/28/2002 12:03:30 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: souris; SpookBrat; Victoria Delsoul; MistyCA; AntiJen; SassyMom; bentfeather; GatorGirl
Who to Contact For Current VA Education Benefits:

The Education Service administers the following benefit programs. We are also including documents and forms which will aid school officials, veterans and dependents. We trust you will find what you are looking for in our program descriptions. If you need additional assistance, please call our toll-free number 1-888-GI-BILL-1 (1-888-442-4551) to speak with a Veterans Benefits Counselor.

Montgomery GI Bill - Active Duty (MGIB)

The MGIB program provides up to 36 months of education benefits. This benefit may be used for degree and certificate programs, flight training, apprenticeship/on-the-job training and correspondence courses. Remedial, deficiency, and refresher courses may be approved under certain circumstances. Generally, benefits are payable for 10 years following your release from active duty. This program is also commonly known as Chapter 30.

VA now reimburses for some Licensing and Certification Tests.

You can receive reimbursement for licensing and certification tests you take on or after March 1, 2001. These tests must be specifically approved for the G.I. Bill. VA can pay only for the cost of the tests and not other fees connected with obtaining a license or certification.

Tuition Assistance "Top-Up" General Information

On October 30, 2000, the President signed into law an amendment to the Montgomery GI Bill
- Active Duty education program that permits VA to pay a Tuition Assistance Top- up benefit. The amount of the benefit can be equal to the difference between the total cost of a college course and the amount of Tuition Assistance that is paid by the military for the course.

Montgomery GI Bill - Selected Reserve (MGIB-SR)

The MGIB-SR program may be available to you if you are a member of the Selected Reserve. The Selected Reserve includes the Army Reserve, Navy Reserve, Air Force Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve and Coast Guard Reserve, and the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard. This benefit may be used for degree and certificate programs, flight training, apprenticeship/on-the-job training and correspondence courses. Remedial, deficiency, and refresher courses may be approved under certain circumstances.

Veterans Educational Assistance Program (VEAP)

VEAP is available if you first entered active duty between January 1, 1977 and June 30, 1985 and you elected to make contributions from your military pay to participate in this education benefit program. Your contributions are matched on a $2 for $1 basis by the Government. This benefit may be used for degree and certificate programs, flight training, apprenticeship/on-the-job training and correspondence courses. Remedial, deficiency, and refresher courses may be approved under certain circumstances. Survivors' and Dependents' Educational Assistance Program (DEA)

DEA provides education and training opportunities to eligible dependents of veterans who are permanently and totally disabled due to a service-related condition, or who died while on active duty or as a result of a service related condition.. The program offers up to 45 months of education benefits. These benefits may be used for degree and certificate programs, apprenticeship, and on-the-job training. If you are a spouse, you may take a correspondence course. Remedial, deficiency, and refresher courses may be approved under certain circumstances.

Summary of Benefits Under the Educational Assistance Test Program Section 901 of Public Law 96-342

Section 901 is an Educational Assistance Test Program created by the Department of Defense Authorization Act of 1981 (Public Law 96-342) to encourage enlistment and reenlistment in the Armed Forces. Benefits are available to individuals who entered on active duty after September 30, 1980, and before October 1, 1981 (or before October 1, 1982, if entry was under a delayed enlistment contract signed between September 30, 1980, and October 1, 1981).

NOTE: Although Public Law 96-342 established a beginning date for the test program as October 1, 1980, the military service departments did not start offering the test program to new enlistees until December 1, 1980.

Work-Study Program

This program is available to any student receiving VA education benefits who is attending school three-quarter time or more. An individual working under this program may work at the school veterans' office, VA Regional Office, VA Medical Facilities, or at approved State employment offices. Work-study students are paid at either the state or Federal minimum wage, which ever is greater. If you have questions on this program contact our toll-free number 1-888-442-4551.

Tutorial Assistance Program

Tutorial assistance is available if you are receiving VA educational assistance at the half-time or more rate and have a deficiency in a subject making tutoring necessary. If you have questions on this program please contact our toll-free number 1-888-442-4551.

VA Education Manual for School Officials (AACRAO)

This Education Manual is used by School Certifying Officials to gain information about VA education programs and as a guide to aid them in the completion of forms for submission to VA. It is mainly intended for School Certifying Officials but we feel the information may be helpful to anyone interested in VA Benefits. (This manual is currently under revision.) Education Forms

This area has common VA forms and related forms available for you to print. Contact our toll-free number 1-888-GI-BILL-1 (1-888-442-4551) to request Education forms.

<=== Click to go to the VA Education Benefits Website

2 posted on 12/28/2002 12:04:21 AM PST by SAMWolf
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GI Bill toll-free number:
1-888-GIBILL-1 (1-888-442-4551)

If you have a service connected disability,
you may be eligible for this benefit.
1-800-827-1000

Information for the home buying veteran.
1-800-827-1000

Information on Service Connected Disability Compensation,
Survivors' Benefits,
Non-Service Connected Disability Compensation.
1-800-827-1000

Information on VA Life Insurance.
1-800-669-8477

Information on the VA's National Cemetery System.
(National Cemetery Administration)
1-800-827-1000

Information on VA Medical Benefits.
1-877-222-8387

Information on resolving debts resulting from participation
in the following VA programs:

Montgomery GI Bill - Active Duty,
Montgomery GI Bill - Selected Reserve,
Survivors’ and Dependents’ Educational Assistance,
Compensation and Pension and Loan Guaranty
(home loans).
1-800-827-0648


3 posted on 12/28/2002 12:04:49 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
Excellent research and report, Sam! Thanks!
4 posted on 12/28/2002 1:07:41 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: SAMWolf

GI Bill Express.com™ is dedicated to serving veterans, active duty military personnel and dependents, that want info on vocational, technical or higher education programs.

5 posted on 12/28/2002 1:17:06 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: SAMWolf
Click below for GI Bill dot com, Non-government assistance site:

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6 posted on 12/28/2002 1:27:40 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: SAMWolf
National Association of State Directors of Veteran Affairs

Links to each State and Territory's Veteran's Affairs Office

Click on Logo

7 posted on 12/28/2002 2:01:12 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: MistyCA; SAMWolf; AntiJen; SheLion
I always thought well of the GI bills. When in college, I found the Korean Veterans much more focused than us kids. My brother went to business school after an AF enlistment and he was motivated to always find a job. The AF sent me to grad school in service so I never felt I needed to take advantage of the GI bill. I took one course in service that I needed and the paperwork seemed reasonable. OK,Jeneral, I need a ping to these threads as well as a NHH. Thank you. It was 03 deg F in Maine this am before the sun came up. I went xc skiing yesterday in one ft of snow. After the storm the Caribou weather office called me for a report. I am now a valued spotter
8 posted on 12/28/2002 5:45:55 AM PST by larryjohnson
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To: larryjohnson; auboy; 06isweak; 0scill8r; 100American; 100%FEDUP; 101st-Eagle; 101stSignal; ...
Incoming! Dive on in to the FReeper Foxhole!

The FReeper Foxhole is a new Daily Thread in the VetsCoR Forum.

If you would like to be removed from this daily ping list, it takes only two clicks. Click this link and send a BLANK FReepmail to AntiJen. You will be removed promptly.

If you have comments you would like me to read, use this link. Thanks!

9 posted on 12/28/2002 6:09:14 AM PST by Jen
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To: AntiJen
Bump for the Foxhole.
10 posted on 12/28/2002 6:12:11 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: AntiJen; All
Good morning & Bttt (-:
11 posted on 12/28/2002 6:13:39 AM PST by firewalk
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To: AntiJen
The part that they don't tell you is how long you will wait for your check. I didn't see a dime for 18 months after I started school.
12 posted on 12/28/2002 6:25:07 AM PST by patton
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To: SAMWolf
FWIW. The Vietnam era bill gave me the opportunity to get my college education, and my house. Plus medical benefits, discipline in the service, and travel throughout the world.

And I got shot at only once. Not bad.

5.56mm

13 posted on 12/28/2002 6:26:34 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: AntiJen; MistyCA; SAMWolf; larryjohnson; All
GOOD MORNING TO EVERYONE IN THE FOXHOLE!
14 posted on 12/28/2002 6:33:40 AM PST by Pippin
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To: larryjohnson
Good morning LJ! That's cool about you being a weather spotter. Brrrrrr! It's COLD up there!

I added you on to the daily ping list so you can easily find your way to our Foxhole. Here's your {{{HUG}}}!!! You can get a 'real' hug. (I give the 'non-homo' kind of hugs to girlz.) ;-)

The GI Bill was one of the main reasons I joined the AF after high school. While I was in the AF, I used some of my GI Bill benefits to complete a BS degree which qualified me for OTS. Now that I'm retired, I'm using my remaining GI Bill benefits to train for a new career as a Web Site Designer.

15 posted on 12/28/2002 7:00:57 AM PST by Jen
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To: patton
18 months? Wow! I've never had that problem. It took a couple months for my benefits to start, and when I changed from one school to another there was a delay of a few months because the new school official sat on the paperwork then it had to go to VA for their approval. But otherwise, the direct deposit goes to my bank around the first of each month. VA has made the monthly certification process easier too with an online form.
16 posted on 12/28/2002 7:09:55 AM PST by Jen
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To: AntiJen
Online form? My experience was before Gore invented the internet.
17 posted on 12/28/2002 7:15:10 AM PST by patton
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To: AntiJen
Good morning Jen and all.


18 posted on 12/28/2002 7:20:42 AM PST by Aeronaut
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To: SAMWolf
Please remove me from your bump list thank you.
19 posted on 12/28/2002 7:35:37 AM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: larryjohnson; SAMWolf; AntiJen
Sam? Did you hear that? Larry wants a NHH! LOL! Good to see you Larry! :)
20 posted on 12/28/2002 8:25:24 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: E.G.C.
I look forward to seeing your bttt each day! Thanks! :)
21 posted on 12/28/2002 8:26:49 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: BeforeISleep
Good morning, BIS!
22 posted on 12/28/2002 8:27:14 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: patton
They did something similar when my husband started going to school...the check didn't come and didn't come. He finally went to Bob Lagomarsino who was our Congressman at the time and the check came not long after that. Bob was always very responsive to the needs of his constituents. It is too bad that he got bumped out by Huffington who was, imo, selfish, good for nothing, and couldn't care less about constituents.
23 posted on 12/28/2002 8:31:24 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: M Kehoe
I am glad you took advantage of the GI Bill. My father and husband both worked all day and then went to school at night under the GI Bill. My husband carried a full load of college credits. My dad took longer to finish. I know that he would not have been able to go to college without the GI Bill.
24 posted on 12/28/2002 8:37:03 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: Pippin
Good morning, Pippin! good to see you!
25 posted on 12/28/2002 8:37:29 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: patton
LOL! It was so nice of Gore to do that! LOLOLOL!
26 posted on 12/28/2002 8:39:45 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: Aeronaut
Good morning, Aeronaut! Good to see you. :)
27 posted on 12/28/2002 8:40:16 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: larryjohnson
I took advantage of the GI Bill to get my college education. No way I could have afforded it otherwise.

For once the paperwork was not overly complicated or excessive. I never used the home loan because it was just way to much of a hassel for the slight difference in rates at the time.
28 posted on 12/28/2002 8:47:54 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: MistyCA
Good Morning Misty, thanks for all the lnks to the other GI Bill related sites.
29 posted on 12/28/2002 8:48:30 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: AntiJen
It only took them a few months for me also. There was an office right at the U that took care of the paperwork. They were great !

CA also kicks in some bucks for books. The program almost got me all the way through a Masters. No complaints. It's one of the best government programs out there.
30 posted on 12/28/2002 8:48:39 AM PST by stalin
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To: SAMWolf
Ah yes, the VEAP program. The thing I hate about it the most is arguing with people that yes I have an Honorable discharge but no I don't have the GI bill ( the old GI bill ended over a year before I joined). The VEAP program was outdated when it started.
31 posted on 12/28/2002 8:49:48 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: M Kehoe
Thanks for your service.

I lucked out when using my GI Bill. Illinois waived tuition at State schools for Vietnam Veterans, so I didn't need to use the GI Bill money on tuition. It paid for all the books and other expenses.
32 posted on 12/28/2002 8:52:01 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: Pippin
Good Morning Pippin. Thanks for dropping in.
33 posted on 12/28/2002 8:52:40 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
I agree about the Home loan. The only person I have ever known to use one was my brother on his third home. He found the experience to be complicated and not worth it, and sometimes the rates are not any better then commercial rates, or not enough to matter.
34 posted on 12/28/2002 8:54:12 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: SAMWolf
You are welcome. I got sleepy so only did a few. :) I kept running into anti-military links telling our youth why the GI bill wouldn't do them much good!
35 posted on 12/28/2002 8:55:56 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: ActionNewsBill; AntiJen
Please remove me from your bump list thank you.

Ok will do, thank you.

36 posted on 12/28/2002 8:56:28 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
IMHO the "new" benefits aren't as good as the old ones.

When I was in the guard the Montgomery Bill was the "latest and greatest", I always thought it was nowhere near as good as the original.
37 posted on 12/28/2002 9:00:01 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: MistyCA
I tried to use it on the first house we bought, but it was just such a hassle that we finally just when with a conventional loan.
38 posted on 12/28/2002 9:01:45 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf; AntiJen; MistyCA; HiJinx; MeeknMing; Long Cut
Just checking in. We've been busy making memories. My brother got in from Texas last night. Guess what I got for Christmas from my brother? Ted Nugent's book called God, Guns & Rock'n Roll

I opened it up and read the dedication and thought it was worth putting up in here. I can't wait to dive into this book. He said he stood in line to get it autographed for me, but had to get back to work. *sniff*

This book is dedicated with all my heart and soul to every brave American warrior of the U.S. Armed Forces who served and sacrificed, so "we the people" can live in what I hope is this perpetual experiment in the self-government as free and sovereign beings. I dedicate this effort also to my dad, Warren Henry Nugent...one of these warriors, who taught me discipline, a hard-core work ethic, and accountability; and to my uncle John Nugent, who along with Dad introduced me to the ultimate discipline that is firearm fun: handling, responsibility, and appreciation. Also to all the dedicated warrior activists on the not-so-mean streets of this great country in the National Rifle Association, Gun Owners of America, Brass Roots, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, and all the pro-hunting and pro-Second Amendment organizations across the land...especially the Ted Nugent United Sportsmen of America members who fervently fight for the basic self-evident truths and our sacred right to keep and bear arms for defense of self, family, home, and country.

And to all the courageous men and women of law enforcement who commit their lives to serve and protect with the very arms that "we the people" must use to defend ourselves......

39 posted on 12/28/2002 9:04:33 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
Good Morning Spooky.

Great dedication, certainly different from what you normally see.
40 posted on 12/28/2002 9:07:57 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
I thought it was great to dedicate his book to the Armed Forces. I would love to send my kids to one of his camps some day. Wouldn't that be an experience?


41 posted on 12/28/2002 9:09:18 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: AntiJen
Thanks for alert. The GI Bill made my life both in education and home ownership. $500 for tuition and texts was full for the year. Today that wouldn't cover a week in the same school. (But the 4 1/2% home interest rate seems on its way back!) Here is a backgrounder for those interested.

NewsMax.com

 

 

G.I. Bill: 50 Years of Success
Mark Shields
May 20, 2000

 

A GREAT AMERICAN SUCCESS STORY TURNS 50

Fifty years ago this commencement season, 328,841 American men graduated from the country's colleges - three times greater than the number of graduates just a decade earlier. During those 10 years, which began with the nation still deep in depression, the United States fought and won World War II and the Congress passed and President Franklin D. Roosevelt had signed the Servicemen's Readjustment Act, which was primarily intended to prevent unemployment among returning veterans.

Thanks to Jack Cejnar, a public-relations officer with the American Legion (which had been the most indispensable lobbyist backing the law), it would be forever known as the G.I. Bill of Rights.

Before the G.I. Bill, a college education had been not only beyond the dreams of American working-class families but nearly the exclusive experience of the children of professional and/or affluent parents. The G.I. Bill changed all that almost immediately, and it changed America permanently.

The numbers tell the story. Prior to World War II, under 5 percent of Americans over the age of 25 had completed four years of college. As a consequence of the optimism and national confidence sparked by the success of the G.I. Bill, eventually one out of four Americans over 25 would be a college graduate.

As Michael J. Bennett reminds us in his terrific book on the social miracle the G.I. Bill wrought, "When Dreams Came True," while the American Legion and arch-segregationist Rep. John Rankin, D-Miss., championed the legislation, giants of American education - including Harvard President James B. Conant and University of Chicago President Robert M. Hutchins - were adamant and elitist in their opposition.

Conant publicly expressed concern that the arrival of veterans would inevitably lower academic standards. Hutchins wrote of his fear that the vets would turn American colleges into "educational hobo jungles." Later, Conant would admit his error and call veterans on his campus "the most mature and most promising students Harvard has ever had."

Some 7.8 million veterans, close to half of those eligible, enrolled in a school or job-training program. Also available under the law to GI's were loan guarantees to buy a home. That impact was profound: Before the war, two-thirds of Americans rented their homes; after the G.I. Bill, two out of three would own their homes.

Opponents of the G.I. Bill who had condemned it as a "handout" that would erode character were silenced by the social and professional mobility this law made possible. The entire postwar cost of $14.5 billion, neutral studies have estimated, has been returned at least seven times over to the U.S. Treasury in the form of increased tax revenues. The G.I. Bill produced 450,000 engineers, 240,000 accountants, 230,000 teachers, 97,000 scientists, 67,000 doctors, 122,000 dentists and - by the early 1960s - one half of the membership of the U.S. Congress.

By 1964, three out of four Americans, not surprisingly, trusted the federal government "to do what is right" all or most of the time. Over the last quarter century, that trust number has dropped to just one out of four. Successful presidential candidates of both parties run against the government they seek to lead and against Washington, where they strive to live.

That the air we breathe and the water we drink are safer and cleaner now is a direct result of the actions of our federal government we do not celebrate. We instead deny. That our elderly citizens are healthier and dramatically less poor because of the actions of our federal government we do not celebrate. We instead deny.

To recognize and to celebrate true national success inspires our collective optimism and our confidence in our ability to act again for the common good. That is the value and the legacy of the G.I. Bill.

 

COPYRIGHT 2000 CREATORS SYNDICATE INC.


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Regards,

42 posted on 12/28/2002 9:14:38 AM PST by ex-snook
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To: SAMWolf
Good morning SAMWolf- great info. I've been following the thread about the identity theft of Tricare recipients. Ugh. Thats our region thats involved. Hmm.... do I clean the kitchen and bathrooms today or let the 'new' me do the work. Oh, what a dilemma. Hopefully its some punk kid that did it just to prove they could do it. Versus a planned terrorist group. Have a great day and stay warm.
43 posted on 12/28/2002 9:19:38 AM PST by Cate
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To: SAMWolf
Good post Sam. Thanks, and Good Morning. I went to bed early last night. I've got some side work to do today. It never ends for an old EM. All though I never used the GI Bill, I was an Electricans Mate 3rd Class when I got out in the early 1970's. I've worked as an Electrican ever since. I will never be rich, but I have always made a good living. I don't know what I would have done if I hadn't gotten the "on the job" training that I got while I was in the USN.
44 posted on 12/28/2002 9:43:09 AM PST by The Real Deal
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To: SpookBrat
Hiya Spookie!!! Sassy and I are just about to head out to the Fort Collins FReep. We'll send pics!!! Love ya Darlin!!!
45 posted on 12/28/2002 9:43:54 AM PST by kneezles
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To: MistyCA
Good Morning Misty, AntiJen, and all.
46 posted on 12/28/2002 9:45:00 AM PST by The Real Deal
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To: SAMWolf; AntiJen; MistyCA; MeeknMing; Victoria Delsoul
I forgot to tell you, but my mom called this morning and told us my 95 year old Austrian work horse "Papa" is dying. His heart is giving out. He could go tomorrow, or two weeks, or 6 months. Who knows. I hate the waiting game. He is ready to go. I hope the Lord takes him quickly. He will go to heaven. I don't need any sympathy so don't pray for me. If you pray for him, pray he will go in his sleep and won't suffer.

Soooo...we may be leaving for Texas soon. While my brother is here, we are going to go visit Ronnie Van Zant's grave and go to the Freebird Cafe. Allyson loves Lynyrd Skynyrd. Tim would sing "What's your name" to her when she was 3 and 4. It was so sweet.

47 posted on 12/28/2002 9:48:20 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: kneezles
Hi Kneezles sugar plum. I miss you guys so bad. Give Sassy love for me.

48 posted on 12/28/2002 9:49:24 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: SAMWolf
I got screwed when it came to trying to use my GI bill benefits.
And I still have no idea how, or what happened.
49 posted on 12/28/2002 9:51:49 AM PST by Darksheare
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To: MistyCA; SAMWolf; M Kehoe; All
Hubby and I used the VA home loan for our first house because back then there was a limit on what banks could charge for a VA loan and it was lower than conventional. We didn't have much money saved for a down payment or closing costs and with a VA loan we could finance up to 100% of the purchase price and roll the closing costs into the loan. When we bought our current house, the law had changed and the VA rate was slightly higher than conventional, so a conventional loan worked out better for us.
50 posted on 12/28/2002 10:02:00 AM PST by Jen
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