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To: John O
Actually I'd rather outlaw divorce except in cases of adultery or criminal conduct or abandonment. Divorce is a major problem and needs to be ended.

I agree with you.

However in this case New Hampshire allows 'irreconcilable differences' as grounds for a no-fault divorce. They also allow at-fault divorce in cases of adultery. This divorce will occur one way or another, the difference is just in how to divide the property.

As for the law of the land, recall that Judaism (and Islam) does not take the same harsh view of divorce that Christianity does. Harm to the families, and not Biblical authority, should be the basis for changing the divorce laws.

I have to laugh when I hear folks talking about 'defense of marriage' but don't care one way or another about divorce. The bar to divorce should be set very high for families with children.

If they are committing criminal conduct (such as battery or assault) then obviously they are unbelieving.

That's like saying that Christians never sin. There are many serious crimes that do not conflict with one's Christian beliefs, i.e. treason.

224 posted on 11/10/2003 12:15:28 PM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Looking for Diogenes
As for the law of the land, recall that Judaism (and Islam) does not take the same harsh view of divorce that Christianity does.

As I understand it, Orthodox Judaism treats divorce exactly as Christianity does. At least that's what their scriptures command. Islam is a moon god worshipping cult that has no connection to Christianity or to the values upon which this country was founded and as such can be ignored in this discussion. (truthfully it should be ignored in all cases except for the attention needed to eradicate it)

The bar to divorce should be set very high for families with children.

Marriage is for life. Divorce should almost never happen.

me->If they are committing criminal conduct (such as battery or assault) then obviously they are unbelieving.

you->That's like saying that Christians never sin. There are many serious crimes that do not conflict with one's Christian beliefs, i.e. treason.

If they are disobeying the law, in cases where the law does not contradict scripture, then they are sinning. We are commanded to submit ourself to those placed in authority over us.

The point I was making is that a truly believing Christian would not abuse his wife or children. (note that he will spank his children, spanking is not abuse). Abuse doesn't square with biblical principles in general or with commands on how to treat our spouses in specific.

(one possible exception to the above paragraph is the case of the mentally ill. He may still believe but be too damaged to do anything with it.)

226 posted on 11/10/2003 1:20:39 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Looking for Diogenes
I think the issue these days (from cases I have handled and seen) is the bigger better deal. Women especially view divorce as a means of "cashing out" a marriage. Not unlike a whole life insurance policy. Adultery, in ALL its forms, MUST be penalized. It should be used to determine custody and visitation.

The biggest problem is that young couples have zero/zip/nada when it comes to proper marriage role models. In fact any positive models are ridiculed and despised. Any traditional roles of husband and wife are derided. God forbid a husband or wife turn down some extramarital recreational sex.
233 posted on 11/10/2003 5:46:13 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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