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The Ten Worst American Cities to Live In
Bully Magazine ^ | Ken Wohlrob

Posted on 11/24/2003 7:49:13 AM PST by Hillary's Folly

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To: Hillary's Folly
This author says Cleveland lacks a thriving nightlife? Apparently he's never visited The Flats. It's great. Plenty of restaurants and clubs there plus they are accessible by boats which frequently dock there.
221 posted on 11/24/2003 6:08:11 PM PST by PJ-Comix (PJ's Overall Philosophy Neatly Explains Everything In The Universe In A Tidy Little Package)
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To: truthandlife
Naive Mormon Arrogance. That's what it is. Attitude is one of we're seeking perfection but we know there is only one true church. It's not yours. We know the rest of the world will someday learn in heaven that we are the ones. A pathetic mentality. We'll never know until we're dead. Such crap!!
222 posted on 11/24/2003 6:11:38 PM PST by Utah Binger (,)
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To: Hillary's Folly
4. Atlanta Any place nicknamed "Hotlanta" has to suck big time. Here's the catch: Did you ever meet someone who went to New York City and said, "I didn't like it, it was too dirty and oh my God there were all these weirdoes." Usually in the next sentence they'll say, "But I really like Hotlanta, it's so cool down there." That's because Atlanta is the city of choice for suburbanites who don't really like cities. Hence Atlanta has turned into nothing more than an over-sprawled suburb, just with more bad bars.

I'll give them the point about Atlanta. It is a city with no clear plan whatsoever. It really is a small core surrounded by a hodgepodge highway-riddled suburb.

It's got all the negatives of a suburb with all the negatives of a city. You simply cannot walk anywhere. I'm used to a cute little town called Webster, NY, where you could -- if you wanted the exercise -- walk to all your places of importance, yet was only 13 miles from Rochester, a traditional city.

In Atlanta, they seem to have the idea of having beautiful houses set back from the highways and nice .7 to 1 acre plots that are on extremely busy thoroughfares. I don't get it. Then the little cul-de-sacs are these cheesy little crowded thingEys on .2 acre miniplots.

I just don't get the place. I'm relocating pretty soon.

223 posted on 11/24/2003 6:14:47 PM PST by Lazamataz (I like my women as I like my coffee: Cold and bitter.)
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To: RightOnline
Most don't realize what a high-tech area Huntsville is. Sort of a well-kept secret.:)

Um, being as Huntsville is a common international spy target, I'd say it's pretty well known by now.

224 posted on 11/24/2003 6:18:52 PM PST by Lazamataz (I like my women as I like my coffee: Cold and bitter.)
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To: New Horizon
What? Detroit's on the way up, dude.

Not according to RoboCop.

225 posted on 11/24/2003 6:19:38 PM PST by Lazamataz (I like my women as I like my coffee: Cold and bitter.)
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To: Hillary's Folly
Man, what a snotty article. 'Course the author may be right about these places (except for Miami), but I think he could use an attitude adjustment.
226 posted on 11/24/2003 6:24:07 PM PST by Sam Cree (democrats are herd animals)
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To: truthandlife
That's interesting about your friend in SL--it probably is the most non-Mormon city in the entire state. However, usually those who have somehow become offended or have left the church (for whatever reason) seem to go out of their way to hate anything Mormon. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not at all trying to put down your friend, but that's generally been my observation. I grew up there and even though I now live in Las Vegas (the anti-Salt Lake) I still to this day can't quite explain what these kind of people have against a city that for all intents and purposes is clean (just look at its Downtown), picturesque, solidly conservative (the state legislature is 90% Republican), has a low crime rate, is cultured (ballet, symphony, theatre district) and provides easy access to a wide variety of outdoor activities. It's not a perfect place, but no place is. I guess if you're looking for a wild lifestyle, then it's definitely not your place. High alcohol content beer? Hop on over to Evanston, WY--you can be there in a little over an hour. As for the predominant religion that resides there...well, that's probably a major reason why it is such a nice place to live. Anyone can say what they want about the Mormon beliefs (i.e. Are they Christian or not Christian?), but that's really quite irrelevant when you are looking at quality of life.

I'll be honest, having grown up there, I couldn't wait to get out, but now that I've been gone awhile, I have grown to appreciate just what a nice place it really is. I like Las Vegas and it's an exciting city to live in, but unless you live the party life and really enjoy gambling, it's really not that spectacular. Salt Lake beats it hands down as far as culture, sports, technology/education and architecture are concerned. It all comes down to what suits the individual.
227 posted on 11/24/2003 6:39:50 PM PST by VegasBaby
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To: Lazamataz
I'll give them the point about Atlanta. It is a city with no clear plan whatsoever.

No offense, Laz, but as a Southerner I would say the problem with Atlanta is that it is populated by too many Yankess who'd rather not be there in the first place. I think the fact that so few people on this lengthy thread have said anything one way or the other about Atlanta solidifies its place on this list. The Yankees who live their don't much like it because as a major city they know it fails, the Southerners who live their don't much like it because as a Southern city they know it fails. It's apathy city, baby.

They don't care about their sports teams, even the Braves. I'll never forget the empty seats during the mid-90's NL championship games, and when the Cubs come to town, they've got more fans than the Braves.

228 posted on 11/24/2003 6:39:54 PM PST by Hillary's Folly ("It is always a silly thing to give advice, but to give good advice is fatal.")
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To: Hillary's Folly
their=there(doh!)
229 posted on 11/24/2003 6:41:44 PM PST by Hillary's Folly ("It is always a silly thing to give advice, but to give good advice is fatal.")
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To: Hillary's Folly
No offense, Laz, but as a Southerner I would say the problem with Atlanta is that it is populated by too many Yankess who'd rather not be there in the first place.

I'm workin' on it; I'm workin' on it. :o)

But seriously -- Atlanta has a planning problem. If anything, Atlanta has convinced me that raw market forces make for a mess when it comes to city planning.

I'm a big market-forces guy. But Atlanta shows me that market forces don't make for a well-planned city. Chicago works well. Nice design. CRAPPY state though. Wouldn't live there for love nor money ever again -- especially the former.

New York City f**kin' rocks. Best designed city on the planet, I'd get close to saying. LOVED living there for a couple months. Again, Crappy state.

That's all the cities I know well.

230 posted on 11/24/2003 6:44:24 PM PST by Lazamataz (I like my women as I like my coffee: Cold and bitter.)
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To: OldFriend
Agreed. Lived in Cinti for four years and loved it. "I'll have a four-way."
231 posted on 11/24/2003 6:48:20 PM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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To: Hillary's Folly
There's an old saying in NY advertising circles:

"If it's not New York, it's Bridgeport."

232 posted on 11/24/2003 6:50:58 PM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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To: Utah Binger
With all due respect, it seems as if you're guilty of the same intolerance that you claim Mormons exhibit. A pathetic mentality, huh? Such crap? How very tolerant you are of their beliefs. Ah yes...Mormon hating (the non-Mormon Utahns' favorite pastime). I guess my question to you would be why you choose to live in such horror if it's really that terrible.

BTW, most Mormons probably could care less what religion you choose to practice. Go with what works best for you and don't worry about what others think. Just a little advice from an ex-Utahn.
233 posted on 11/24/2003 6:51:25 PM PST by VegasBaby
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To: Hillary's Folly
Seems to be a liberal bias, given the constant ranting about 'culture.' Culture is on TV, CDs, the internet, and in books, and it doesn't matter where you live. What about the cultural relevance of Live Theater? Well, yeah, if you're a lesbian.
234 posted on 11/24/2003 6:54:46 PM PST by JoeSchem
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To: Physicist
No flame. This Mormon who lives in Provo and works in Salt Lake says "Listen to the man. If what he says resonates with you at all, please, please stay away."
235 posted on 11/24/2003 6:58:12 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: T Minus Four
Shhh. Keep quiet about Salt Lake.
236 posted on 11/24/2003 6:59:17 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: colorado tanker
I think Detroit has been abandoned.

Where is Washington DC.? It should be abondoned

237 posted on 11/24/2003 6:59:50 PM PST by biffalobull
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To: Andyman
Andy. Shhhhhh. Anybody who resonates at all to what the author of this article is saying should avoid Salt Lake like the plague.
238 posted on 11/24/2003 7:00:58 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: furball4paws
With the Internet and mail order, who needs city hassle? Our air is clean and our water pure. There is no traffic. Almost Heaven, San Juan Mountains.

Agree, Many small towns in desirable areas are really growing.

Cities become more crowded, polluted, more crime, and less desirable people move to them. This is happening everywhere in major cities.

My advice to all is to move near or on the outskirts of a smaller town or city, with less than say 75,000 people and grow with it, as it will be a long time until these smaller, more desirable towns ever resemble big cities.

Major cities are a trap. Cookie cutter suburbs and apartments are like civilian worker barracks. Just too much crap going on.

People that like to target shoot, ride ATVs, dirt bikes, and enjoy the real outdoor hiking etc, have to drive further and further from the major cities. Sometimes hours.

Besides, most all cities and towns over say 60,000 in desireable areas have everything, except maybe a football stadium, and even then, the best seats are in your own living room.

239 posted on 11/24/2003 7:08:37 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Chu Gary
I thought about TX but chose to re-locate to FL's gulf coast instead due to the relative lack of person-icanes.

Isn't moving to Florida because Texas has too many hurricanes like moving to New Orleans because there are too many drunks in Pensacola?

240 posted on 11/24/2003 8:00:34 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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