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Britain pays 1945 war debt
The Times ^ | 12/24/06 | David Smith

Posted on 12/24/2006 12:01:58 AM PST by bruinbirdman

THE government will this week close a chapter in Britain’s wartime history by completing the repayment of a loan taken out with America more than 60 years ago, just after the second world war. Treasury officials said the repayment of the US war loan taken out under a 1945 agreement would be completed by December 31.

The loan dates back to September 1945. From 1941, Britain and other allied nations had received large quantities of equipment and supplies under Franklin Roosevelt’s Lend-Lease programme.

Britain received about $30 billion of goods — just over £7 billion at the prevailing exchange rate — during the war years, in effect gifts from America. But in September 1945 the US abruptly announced an end to the Lend-Lease programme, despite the need for large-scale reconstruction and with Britain on its knees economically.

Goods already in Britain or in transit were sold to the UK government at heavily discounted prices — one-tenth of their value — the amount paid being in the form of a loan.

The amount, together with a line of credit, was $4.34 billion with a 2% interest rate, originally intended to be paid back over 50 years beginning in 1950.

Some critics, including Lord Keynes, saw the loan as a means used by America to subjugate Britain after the war.

As it was, keeping up the payments was often difficult. There were six years when Britain deferred payment as a result of economic crises and pressure on the official reserves. But this week’s £43m remittance will pay it off.

Many war loans are never repaid.

Britain borrowed money from America during the first world war but never fully settled the debt. This was because President Herbert Hoover declared a debt moratorium during the global financial crisis of 1931.

At the time of the moratorium, Britain was owed more in war debt by other countries than it owed to America.


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To: bruinbirdman
Repaying 1940 dollars with 2007 dollars is such a deal..
Since 1940 dollars were worth 10 times more maybe 20 times more..
61 posted on 12/24/2006 12:13:49 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: Irish Rose

Keynes is a proof of the fact that economics is the art of finding a best-fit straight line to a single data point.


62 posted on 12/24/2006 12:15:20 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: Basheva

Perhaps you should pay US for the burning of Toronto in the 1812-15 war,which was the very reason we burnt the WH.

A fact I have found many Americans to be ignorant of.Mind you so are 99.9& of Britons.....lol

And can we have damages for your invasion of Canada in 1775-76?...

Dont get angry,just some playful joshing.

Merry Xmas.


63 posted on 12/24/2006 5:00:57 PM PST by the scotsman
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To: peyton randolph

That would be the same Britain which had hundreds of thousands of troops gaurding the land,sea and air of the Europe and the world for 50 yrs alonsgide its American ally?.

The same Britain that unlike America actually had a Cold War record of DEFEATING COMMUNISM:

Malaya
Oman
Aden

And the word espenses reminds me of the £1.2 BILLION pounds that Britain gave to AMERICA in ww2 in 'reverse lend lease' which included footing the ENTIRE BILL for ALL American expense incurred in Britain between 1942 and 1945.

Oh and we did the same between 1946 and 1991.Britain's Cold War 'reverse lend lease' must have footed the bill for BILLIONS in American expense.

BUT you know what?.

Unlike you,I am GLAD that we footed any bill and had your nation as allies against the Soviets and the Warsaw Pact.

Unlike you,I dont begrudge a penny....


64 posted on 12/24/2006 5:07:09 PM PST by the scotsman
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Will you pay us back for burning Toronto?....

The very reason we burnt the WH.

A fact Americans ignore.


65 posted on 12/24/2006 5:09:06 PM PST by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Well, folks, if we really want to get down to it...the War of 1812 started because Britain was impressing (kidnapping) American sailors off American ships. And Britain was not upholding its end of the Treaty signed with the US to end the Revolutionary War. Britain was hogging the fisheries and the western territories which the Treaty stipulated they had to vacate.

But I am willing to let bygones be bygones. It is Christmas after all!

Seriously.....

I am NOT one of those who feels that Britain is beholden to the United States for our help in WW11 and I would have written off the debt or never charged it in the first place.

Winston Churchill has always been a hero to me and I have read every book he has written - some more than once. His speeches ring through the decades now as they did then. I do wish however, that Churchill's Britain was still now as it was then.

As we share a family/culture history with Britain, we too, are going down the same road of political correctness, socialism, leftwing corosion of our moral fiber. The England that held off the might of Germany, that was ready to pick up staves to fight on the beaches, if need be - I fear is no longer - or soon to be no longer.

That grieves me - as it grieves me that America too is suffering that fate. And just at a time when we need one another's strength.

Merry Christmas.


66 posted on 12/24/2006 6:05:28 PM PST by Basheva
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To: J_Baird
"Unfortunatly neither Germany nor France paid their debt. I believe Britain is the only country to have paid us back. "

Paying off a debt whether to a friend or not, is an honorable thing to do so it does not surprise me that Britain repaid the loan. Most of the rest of Europe expected us to not only fight their war, but also to pay for it. My father lost his youngest brother in Europe, and until he died he said Europe wasn't worth it, dear old Dad, right again.

67 posted on 12/24/2006 6:11:47 PM PST by CremeSaver
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To: the scotsman
Unlike you,I dont begrudge a penny....
You apparently have a reading problem and a chip on your shoulder to boot. I was responding to Keynes' assertion that the U.S. loan somehow subjugated Great Britain. If the U.S. had been interested in doing so, there were plenty of ways to do it beyond that loan.
68 posted on 12/25/2006 12:03:57 AM PST by peyton randolph (No man knows the day nor the hour of The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.)
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To: bruinbirdman

The Times December 27, 2006


Sixty years on, we finally pay for the war
Philip Webster, Political Editor and Elizabeth Judge

£45m is the last instalment to US
'Support helped to defeat Nazis'




Britain will this week pay off the last instalment of the multibillion-dollar loans that were secured from the United States and Canada more than sixty years ago to help fund the war effort.
On Friday this country will make its final repayment on the US$4.33 billion loan given by the United States in 1945. Canada will also receive the last payment on its Can$1.25 billion loan.



The payments — $83.25 million (£43 million) to the US Government and $22.7 million to Canada — are the last of fifty instalments that have been paid since 1950, totalling $7.5 billion to the United States and $2 billion to Canada, including 2 per cent annual interest on the initial loans.

Britain agreed the loan with the United States in 1945 in the form of a direct line of credit worth $3.75 billion and a lend-lease facility worth $585 million. It was intended as a final settlement for the financial claims of each country against the other for costs arising out of the Second World War, and provided the essential capital to fund Britain’s postwar construction. Canada followed suit with a direct line of credit of $1.25 billion agreed in 1946.

Ed Balls, the City minister, told The Times last night that it was a historic moment. “This week we finally honour in full our commitments to the US and Canada for the support they gave us 60 years ago. It was vital support which helped Britain defeat Nazi Germany and secure peace and prosperity in the postwar period. We honour our commitments to them now as they honoured their commitments to us all those years ago.”'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2520100,00.html




69 posted on 12/27/2006 2:35:56 PM PST by the scotsman
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To: DeaconBenjamin2

Taiwai is/was a Japanese colony?


70 posted on 12/27/2006 2:48:21 PM PST by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: OldEagle

I spoke too soon. Just researched it and discovered that China passed Formosa (now Taiwan) to Japan by treaty in 1895 only to take it back after WWII.


71 posted on 12/27/2006 2:55:14 PM PST by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: starbase

Today's pounds is worth less than that of WWII relative to the dollar. If all of America's expenditures were as productive as this loan I would shout with joy.


72 posted on 12/27/2006 2:59:08 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: hosepipe

Fezziwig's Christmas feast cost 3-4 pounds, according to the Ghost of Christmas Past. How many pounds would it cost today?


73 posted on 12/27/2006 4:07:39 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin2
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To: FrPR

Thank you for your service to our cause, and to your great country Canada. I tear up hearing your national anthem at hockey games thinking of D-Day, Vietnam, and other places where Canadian and US blood have been shed for freedom's sake.

Here's to you.


74 posted on 12/27/2006 4:13:55 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Ignorance should be painful)
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To: MadIvan
My response to any American swaggering about how much Britain owes the USA is simple: go to hell.

As is mine...ignore the morons. Life is too short.

75 posted on 12/27/2006 4:28:09 PM PST by gogeo (Irony is not one of Islam's core competencies (thx Pharmboy))
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Today's pounds is worth less than that of WWII relative to the dollar.

Yes, but what I was getting at was a more honest accounting of what the value was in today's terms, not a slippery discussion of relative value.

For example, if it was 7 billion pounds then, is it, what, 300 billion pounds today? That would give us a clear idea of the magnitude of the service that the US gave to the UK in allowing them to even buy the materials in the first place.

But as manipulatively as this article is written, I don't think a clear view of the magnitude is what the author wanted anyone to have. Of course, it might be 7 billion pounds in todays pounds, but the author is highly unclear on what his numbers really indicate so we don't know then.

I suppose I could look it up if I cared enough, maybe I'll find some free time to do that later.
76 posted on 12/27/2006 5:25:59 PM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: gogeo; MadIvan
My response to any American swaggering about how much Britain owes the USA is simple: go to hell.

[As is mine...ignore the morons. Life is too short.]


That's a nice story line you have two have going there, the only problem being that the "American swaggering" is a red herring. I specifically referred to an article and gave repeated samplings from it (that would be Post #18, in case you missed it), so if you want to address the article in this thread then go ahead, but if you can only contend with straw man instances of undefined "swaggering" then I'm not really surprised.

I most pointedly provoked MadIvan and so fully expected (and got) both barrels, but if you want jump in and insinuate someone is a moron, then I must really invite you to address the article in this thread, and specifically my comments regarding it, and not generalized red herrings.
77 posted on 12/27/2006 5:51:30 PM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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