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US mulls visa-waiver for 29 countries
times of india ^ | 10/12/01

Posted on 10/13/2001 12:01:42 AM PDT by knak

WASHINGTON: The State Department is reviewing a programme that allows people from 29 countries to enter the United State without visas.

Mary Ryan, assistant secretary of state for consular affairs, told Congress on Friday that the US State Department is reviewing the visa-waiver programme, which allows people with passports from these 29 nations to enter and stay for 90 days. About 23 million people came to the United States through the programme last year.

Agency personnel are visiting six countries "to discuss with them their passport controls and border control" and perhaps drop them from the programme, Ryan told the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on terrorism. She would not identify the six countries.

According to the State Department web site, the 29 participating countries are: Andorra, Argentina, Austria, Australia, Belgium Brunei, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and Uruguay.

The Immigration and Naturalisation Service said on Thursday that 13 of the 19 hijackers involved in the September 11 terrorist attacks entered the country on legal visas. No records have been found on the other six. ( AP )


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this is just crazy!!!
1 posted on 10/13/2001 12:01:42 AM PDT by knak
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To: knak
Thie is NOT the time. Of the nations on that list, I'd feel comfortable only with Iceland and Switzerland.
2 posted on 10/13/2001 12:11:21 AM PDT by Gobsmacked
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To: knak
There are times when our government's policies are so outlandish, that to comment on them demeans your own person. Washington, this is one of those times.
3 posted on 10/13/2001 12:19:12 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Gobsmacked
Of the nations on that list, I'd feel comfortable only with Iceland and Switzerland.

I'm not so sure about Switzerland. They're the ones who protected Mark Rich. I'll bet you start tracing some of the arms the Terrorists have and you'd find Mark Rich.

4 posted on 10/13/2001 12:23:50 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: knak
The Times of India must have a good contact in State. They scooped every U.S. paper and wire service.
5 posted on 10/13/2001 12:24:24 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: knak
I'm going to have to check this out with my contact at the Quicki-Mart tommorow.
6 posted on 10/13/2001 12:26:44 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: DoughtyOne
Doughty

I think the quote that you are looking for (and note the author) is:

"There are some ideas so preposterous, only an intellectual could believe them."
-- George Orwell

And another one of my favorites that just seems to apply, not only to this situation, but to our government in general (and note exactly where it is enshrined):

"There is nothing more terrifying than ignorance in action."
--Goethe - engraved on a plaque at the Naval War College

Obviously I echo your (and their) sentiments!

7 posted on 10/13/2001 12:34:10 AM PDT by hadit2here
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To: knak
this is just crazy!!!

I think you misread it, it says they're reviewing this program, which is currently in place. They're thinking about getting rid of it, not creating it.

8 posted on 10/13/2001 12:50:23 AM PDT by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
LOL! I'm sure someone will find a reason to be disgusted with the government over that.
9 posted on 10/13/2001 12:56:34 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: xm177e2
I agree. The jist of this piece is that the program NOW IN PLACE that allows citizens from these 29 countries to enter without a visa for 90 days is under review. It's possible to drop six countries from this program.

Question: Which six?

The confusion comes from the last line of this article, where it states that most the terrorists HAD visas. It's the few that didn't that are the focus of this review.

10 posted on 10/13/2001 1:00:15 AM PDT by Wingy
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To: hadit2here
Those are great quotes, that certainly fit the situation. Actually, I wasn't trying to pull up a quote from memory. It's just that some things are so outlandish that to comment on them only muddies the water. Who in their right mind could possibly thing this is the time to realax visa policies? Thanks for posting those highly suitable quotes.
11 posted on 10/13/2001 1:30:04 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Psssst. Read the article...it's about UN-relaxing visa policies. LOL!
12 posted on 10/13/2001 7:32:19 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Well, I just read the article again several times. I don't see the UN mentioned at all. What's your basis for thinking this is regarding a UN policy change?
13 posted on 10/13/2001 7:44:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
To unrelax, make stricter. This is about removing the current policy of allowing people into the country without a visa...undoing it.
14 posted on 10/13/2001 7:49:19 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Now I'm LOL at myself.  First of all, you are correct that it appears they are tightening up the policies.  (Have to tell you I have a problem with "anyone" coming here without full visa processing though.)  What I'm laughing about is my reading of your UN-relaxing comment.  I read it as:

Psssst. Read the article...it's about the UN relaxing visa policies. LOL!

Of course you didn't include the "the" and you hyphenated the un-relaxing.  I belive the capitalization for emphasis led me to read it that way, but I know you wanted to provide emphasis on the "un" part.  Thus my references to the UN.

15 posted on 10/13/2001 9:12:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
I realized the "UN" problem when I read your first reply.

I read the original article the same way you did at first...I just wasn't ready to accept anything written in an Indian newspaper without some other sorce to confirm it. Then xml772e2 pointed out the facts...it's about removing the visa exemption for some nations.

Like right now you can travel to England without a visa, and they can visit they U.S. likewise. If this agreement were lifted, you would have to apply for a visa BEFORE you could visit England.

Another area I hope that they consider is Merchant Seaman. Right now there are international agreements that pretty much allow Merchant Seamen to come and go as they need, using their Merchant Seaman's documents in lieu of a passport. You don't even want to know how many Merchant Seamen there are of Arab extraction.

16 posted on 10/13/2001 9:24:53 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Good call on the merchant seamen. And I understand where you're coming from on the visa thing between nations like GB and us. I do think it's time we look at everything that involves the flow between nations in light of recent revelations. Thanks for the comments.
17 posted on 10/13/2001 10:17:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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