Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

A "Moderate" American Muslim Parent's View (Dems., don't you dare blame the Right!)
www.ummah.com ^ | 1998 | Jamaaluddin al-Haidar

Posted on 10/15/2001 5:05:32 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-43 next last
To: MHGinTN
the media is complicit in the disinformation their masters at dem party send down, and the people are none the wiser usually.

Someone will stumble onto Alamo-Girl's archives a hundred years from now and change the world. Or, if we're in the last days, at least we're in the company of people who aren't confused about who's the enemy. Hugs.

21 posted on 10/15/2001 8:10:53 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: ALOHA RONNIE
Why then did ANTHRAX then hit their strongest supporting voices thru TV during Impeachment ...TOM BROKAW, TOM DASCHLE, the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times...giving them each more TV credibility for the years ahead in -Time of War-?

Aloha Ronnie, ironic, isn't it? The Taliban is either incredibly lucky or incredibly incompetent. They certainly misunderstood the tenacity and courage of the average American, and if they sent anthrax to the "liberal purveyors of filth and lies" to hurt them, they've done just the opposite by giving them credibility, as you said, and modern American hero status as victims.

But those Dems. better not blame us!

22 posted on 10/15/2001 8:17:45 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Kermit
If you're from DU, the Muslims don't like you, Kermit. Just for the record, those folks from the old country built this country, wrote the Constitution and gave you the freedoms you enjoy today, those monsters! <*sarcasm*>
23 posted on 10/15/2001 8:22:01 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Ragtime Cowgirl; reformjoy; goldilucky; Snow Bunny; FallGuy; Registered; Republic; onyx; JMJ333
...You are most perceptive, Ragtime Cowgirl, only it's the Complict CLINTONS-3 themselves that are right in there pulling strings in all of this.

...NEVER FORGET that it was they who were Friends with the World's Terrorists and Communist Terrorist Groups since the Turbulent 1960's ...who are stronger still since the CLINTONS-3 Time in our Oval Office.

24 posted on 10/15/2001 8:25:15 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Chairman_December_19th_Society
Here's a fascinating read that I thought you'd find very worthwhile, Chairman.
25 posted on 10/15/2001 8:33:55 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ragtime Cowgirl
"I won't sit still while the Dems. blame us while ignoring the very public words of their Muslim fellow citizens."

Somehow, sniffing the winds of change, the Dems tried at the very begining of this disaster to find any way possible that they could spin this to make the Right a connecting point. Seems, that included referencing Bin Laden as 'right-wing' or referring to the Taliban as religious conservatives. . .just for starters. . .

This post should be shared with such sites as 'Demonrats Underground' aka 'DU' and a few others. . .

. . .they should chew on this awhile.

Not that anyone in the Liberal echelon of America's Left would understand the import of the Muslilm's anti-Liberal position. . .but a little something might stick and eventually be nourished to independent thought. . .

As for the Muslim's who do not 'get it'; or understand it, despite or because of the fact that they live here; they really should decide whether they are in fact 'for us' or 'against us'. . .

Given the decrees of Islam; think the latter is a given and not an opiton.

26 posted on 10/15/2001 9:08:32 PM PDT by cricket
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks Ragtime Cowgirl.
27 posted on 10/15/2001 9:10:15 PM PDT by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: ALOHA RONNIE
I forget what thread it is on here, but it talks about when Clinton freed the Puerto Rican Terrorists and how it began the dominos of terrorists knowing they could do whatever they wanted to , to America.
Hillary's love for the PLO, Bill Clinton snubbing Netenyahu, and the Clinton's hatred for America.....step by step, inch by inch it helped Osama.

Thanks ALOLHA RONNIE

28 posted on 10/15/2001 9:14:41 PM PDT by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: ALOHA RONNIE
"NEVER FORGET that it was they who were Friends with the World's Terrorists and Communist Terrorist Groups since the Turbulent 1960's ...who are stronger still since the CLINTONS-3 Time in our Oval Office."

BUMP to you in agreement.

29 posted on 10/15/2001 10:19:18 PM PDT by FallGuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: ALOHA RONNIE
Time sure is telling its tale.

"..Why did the ANTHRAX Attacks first hit the CLINTONS' Enemy American Media, Inc whose Magazines have been accurately reporting the misbehaviors of the CLINTONS, GARY CONDIT and JESSE JACKSON all year long...? Why then did ANTHRAX then hit their Enemy Microsoft...? Why then did ANTHRAX then hit their strongest supporting voices thru TV during Impeachment ...TOM BROKAW, TOM DASCHLE, the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times...giving them each more TV credibility for the years ahead in -Time of War-?"

Very good insight here! I was often wondering why the media was attacked by this as well. We are dealing with two evil monsters. Wouldn't surprise me if these two are forcing Palestine and Israel to some "peace agreement" under the auspices of the U.N.

30 posted on 10/15/2001 10:30:17 PM PDT by goldilucky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Ragtime Cowgirl
For those here not familiar with the term, hijrah means emigration.
31 posted on 10/15/2001 10:38:40 PM PDT by atafak
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red Jones
Things are bad in many countries. Maybe before September 11 I wouldn't have cared about what this guy wrote. I would think he was a nut like some racists. Things are differant now. America is still safer than other countries. After September 11, I worry about the enemy within who hates freedom. I don't trust people who want to force people to be like them. Islamic Sharia law is what this writer wants. People should have the right to be responsible for their actions. People should obey the laws but be allowed to worship and live their life the way they want. Under Sharia law, people must obey one religion and one way of life. My Dad says that freedom brings pain as well as peace depending on your choices. I don't want the Taliban here in America.
32 posted on 10/16/2001 7:57:11 AM PDT by sonofdemnomo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: atafak
For those here not familiar with the term, hijrah means emigration.

Does the writer want to hijrah it back to the Middle East? It's all right with me.

33 posted on 10/16/2001 8:00:52 AM PDT by sonofdemnomo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: sonofdemnomo
Can we clone you? It'd be nice if all high schoolers were like you.
34 posted on 10/16/2001 1:14:36 PM PDT by Media2Powerful
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: ALOHA RONNIE
Ronnie, the only way I can deal with the Clintons right now is to see them as relevant in their own minds and in the minds of their followers, but having nothing to offer our side in this fight against (evil) the militant terrorists. They can posture and pose and shake their fists and emote and it's so much noise, meaningless. They are not going to scare the good people in this country with their manipulations, we're too angry. Hugs.
35 posted on 10/16/2001 1:15:30 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: cricket
Not that anyone in the Liberal echelon of America's Left would understand the import of the Muslilm's anti-Liberal position. . .but a little something might stick and eventually be nourished to independent thought. . .

We can lead them to truth, but....maybe one or two will get it and leave the Dem. party. Most Dems. seem to hold so tightly to their failed ideologies that defending these ideas trumps even the security of our nation...as Daschle's efforts to prevent drilling for oil within the US proves.

The first reference to the right-wing as Taliban I've been able to find was a comment from Jesse Jackson last February. He stated that President Bush's Cabinet picks looked like they came from "the Taliban wing of the Republican party." The comment was then picked up by most major media outlets, and so it began...

36 posted on 10/16/2001 1:23:51 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Media2Powerful
Can we clone you?

My Mom says that I am a clone of my Dad. I'm way more conservative than my Dad. We just look alike. Dad is way more conservative today than when I was born. (1988) My Mom is too. Bill Clinton's legacy.

37 posted on 10/16/2001 1:56:49 PM PDT by sonofdemnomo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I notice that this Muslim "moderate" quotes extensively from the fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I suppose his "moderation" stems from the fact that he doesn't blame the Jews only, but also their Christian co-conspirators.

For me, hijrah is most definetly the answer. It has now become a mandate and indeed a mission.

On this much we agree. What's he waiting for?

38 posted on 10/16/2001 2:00:34 PM PDT by William Wallace
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: William Wallace
What's he waiting for?

Most of these parents sought asylum here to escape brutal governments. They keep themselves removed from our culture as much as possible, but their children don't know what they suffered and are exposed to "corrupting influences" in spite of the parents' efforts to shield them. Familiar story. If these immigrants understood our history and Constitution, they would not be so quick to condemn the country that gives them the freedom to speak and worship without interference from the government. What do they teach in Muslim schools?

39 posted on 10/16/2001 5:34:08 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

It would take members of the media less than an hour to discover what the American Muslims believe, that they see our culture as corrupt (which, to anyone with a brain, it obviously is). While the paranoid left is blaming the Militia movement in the press and TV news shows for the current anthrax attacks, they are blind to the very public and readily available words of American Muslims who think the liberal secular US is corrupting their young. Yes, the Muslims believe that all non-Muslims are corrupt (most faiths think the same of non-believers), but the militants among them hate the left more. That's a fact - and it has nothing to do with Republicans.

For another, more "American" view from an American Muslim:

The Fight for the Soul of Islam in America
Amidst the competing agendas of Salafees, Sufis and Modernists, Yahiya Emerick calls on "everyday Muslims" to remember that Islam is a balanced way of life.

If you're like me, you really care about Islam becoming a permanent part of the fabric of this nation. You don't want to be the last Muslim in your family tree either and you're convinced that Islam would make everyone around you much happier if they only gave it a try. You or I may not always be the most perfect Muslims, but we do work at it and we genuinely hope in the mercy and forgiveness of Allah.

You've probably also heard a lot of different types of scholars speak and heard a lot of different theories and concepts presented for how to live Islam. Some you may agree with, others you may not. But isn't it true that there's always something going on somewhere, whether it's in the Masjids, universities, organizations, magazines or centers? There's always something going on and always some idea being advanced....

What of organizations? The same holds true. There are a zillion Muslim groups operating in North America right now. So many, in fact, that most everyday Muslims don't know who they should support and thus remain dormant. Part of the problem which is fueling this tendency to inaction is that we often don't see the members of many of the organizations practicing or implementing any meaningful sense of Islamic brotherhood, at least in the way you or I have read it's supposed to be done according to the Qur'an and Sunnah.

In fact, we so often complain about there being too many Islamic groups who don't reflect Islamic teachings that it can be quite un-nerving. But we have to redefine this lament in order to get at the real crux of the problem. The real issue is not that there are too many Islamic groups out there- hey, the more Islamic groups the merrier! Neither is the issue whether or not the groups adhere to Islamic standards, because if you're a Muslim, you work for Allah regardless of how helpful the people around you are.

The real problem is that each group seems to teach something different or to present Islam in their own, narrow way, to the exclusion of the rest of the Ummah. They give us their interpretation of what the perfect Muslim does and then they ardently try to get everyone else to follow this interpretation. Other Islamic groups, who may lean in a different way, are then labeled "weak" Muslims, mis-guided or even kuffar. Thus the wall of disrespect.

If you're interested in participating in the building of a healthy, self-perpetuating Islamic community in North America, then you probably look upon all this foolishness and sigh in sorrow. But if you're really an optimist, as Islam tries to get you to be, then you just don't complain about something, you try to understand the problem and then work towards a solution. So how can we learn how to cure this problem and how can we know which direction for change we must take? To do that then, requires a little analysis. So let's go.

First, we have to recognize that Islam in America is probably closer to the true teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, may he be blessed, than at any other time in the last five hundred years. No, I'm not saying that Muslims are better believers today. I'm saying that the access to pure Islamic teachings and the ability to live them to their fullest moral and social potential is more pronounced here, in North America, than in Iraq, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nigeria or anywhere else. The Muslim world: forget about it. It's too bogged down in stupidity, corruption, nationalism, racism and every other kind of ailment you can imagine. The light of Islam has been put out in the Muslim world and has been reborn in the heart of the secular, faithless West. (Allah is truly great!)

There is nothing you or I can do to improve the Muslim world. Nothing. Just accept it and get over it. Part of being a Muslim is to choose your battles wisely. Even the Prophet left Mecca when he saw no more change could come. In the open and cosmopolitan society of Medina, the focus of the Muslims was in building a solid community which could live in relative safety. The Medinan situation is where the ideal of the community took form and flowered. We are now in the Meccan times today in the Muslim world and Islam, like so many Muslims, has made Hijrah to safer lands where it can work on regaining its strength.

Think about it: living in the West is the real test of a believer. You're living Islam in a place where there are no restrictions against your 'Ibadah. No one will prevent you from praying here, no one will make you shave your beard or remove your Hijab. (If someone tries, you can take them to court!) No one will make you eat pork or renounce your beliefs. No one will make you stare like a wolf at a pretty girl. No one will make you take drugs or alcohol. No one can make you lie, cheat or steal. No one will make you open a liquor store or accept interest money. No one will prevent you from living near the Masjid, etc... America today is literally Sodom and Gomorra: a place where anything, including Islam, is allowed. You are like Prophet Lut in the midst of the pit of sin. No one made him change his religion. He prayed and taught whatever he wanted. Most people just refused to listen, that's all.

See link for the rest of article...

40 posted on 10/17/2001 10:10:18 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-43 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson