[MJY1288]

I read the bill and I don't feel my freedoms have been taken away, nor my liberty. If you don't have anything to hide you wont be effected by this bill. Not to mention most of the provisions sunset in 4 years. Considering the sacrifices we had to endure during WWII, this is nothing. I have read your post history and it's odvious to me that you just plain hate our Government. I don't think the government could do anything without you belly aching over it. We need to weed out these terrorist among us and I have no problem with this bill, I'm sure the victims of 9/11 and their families have no problem with this bill either. It's a shame so many people like yourself live with such paranoia. I would love to know what liberty and freedoms you have lost due to the passage of this bill?

[TightSqueeze]

If you don't have anything to hide you wont be effected by this bill.

Screw you and the rest of the satist thugs who promise to do good while concocting evil. I am no criminal and I have the right to be assumed innocent, I have something to hide alright, my contempt for you.

Bush’s Anti-Terrorism Bill – Democrat Dejour In 2004.

[Godebert]

"I read the bill and I don't feel my freedoms have been taken away, nor my liberty. If you don't have anything to hide you wont be effected by this bill. Not to mention most of the provisions sunset in 4 years. Considering the sacrifices we had to endure during WWII, this is nothing."

Where in the Constitution does it state we need to give up some of our inalienable rights in order to have security? Those who would give up freedom for security are deserving of neither.

[martian_22]

Time will tell although I have a feeling about the future uses of the internal security measures. You know, like the RICO act for instance.

"BEND OVER AND SPREAD 'EM!" - If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to object.

[Reagan Man]

Well said.

I agree with you 100% and support the War on Terrorism.

This bill hasn't taken away any rights of American citizens. Only the reactionary absolutists and anarchists find this bill troubling, because they are anti-government.

America is at WAR! Those who don't want to make any sacrifices in order to help assure victory in the fight against terrorism are anti-American in my book. They should be deported immediately, or jailed as subversives. Their rhetoric only offers aid and comfort to the enemy.

[monkeywrench]

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39c190712714.htm

[Native American Female Vet]

But of course you did not find anything wrong. You never do.

Ok..what is missing here? Do you see any wording that says this will apply only to 'terrorists'?

SEC. 213. AUTHORITY FOR DELAYING NOTICE OF THE EXECUTION OF A WARRANT.

Section 3103a of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) by inserting `(a) IN GENERAL- ´ before `In addition´; and

(2) by adding at the end the following:

`(b) DELAY- With respect to the issuance of any warrant or court order under this section, or any other rule of law, to search for and seize any property or material that constitutes evidence of a criminal offense in violation of the laws of the United States, any notice required, or that may be required, to be given may be delayed if--

`(1) the court finds reasonable cause to believe that providing immediate notification of the execution of the warrant may have an adverse result (as defined in section 2705);

`(2) the warrant prohibits the seizure of any tangible property, any wire or electronic communication (as defined in section 2510), or, except as expressly provided in chapter 121, any stored wire or electronic information, except where the court finds reasonable necessity for the seizure; and

`(3) the warrant provides for the giving of such notice within a reasonable period of its execution, which period may thereafter be extended by the court for good cause shown.´.

[snopercod]

I think you are (mostly) correct that this bill doesn't end freedom in America.

OTOH, it authorizes the use of the U.S. Military within our borders. I am not pleased with that.

It authorizies the seizure of any property on the say-so of the President alone - without due process of law. The president will delegate that authority to some bureau, of course. That's not good either. (We have seen how that has worked out in the "drug war".)

I would also like to point out that just reading the text of this bill doesn't tell you much. You have to go to the code sections it amends and mark them up to understand what adding or deleting a paragraph or word actually does.

From the comments so far, I really doubt that anyone on this thread has done that.

[dcwusmc]

If you don't have anything to hide you wont be effected by this bill. Not to mention most of the provisions sunset in 4 years.

A. Whether or NOT I have anything to hide is irrelevant. It is NOT FedGov's place to make restrictions on ME. The Constitution restricts FEDGOV, NOT the CITIZENRY. So love FedGov all you want but RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION.

B. And in WWII, they introduced withholding as a TEMPORARY MEASURE. Guess what, FedGov-lover? It's STILL HERE. Any OTHER questions your small brain needs explained????

David Wright

PS: You might be able to infer from my nickname that I am a (now retired) Marine, so questioning my patriotism for me questioning this law won't work.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

. If you don't have anything to hide you wont be effected by this bill.

With all due respect, that is the most naive statement ever uttered. Our law is meant to protect us from "IF" situations. I'm sorry....If you are not hiding Jews, then you would let us search your house. "IF" you have no white sheets hanging in your closet, you will let us search your house. "IF" you have no secrets, we can tap your phone.

When the government is allowed to operate on the "if" point of view, the burden falls to you to prove you are innocent. i.e.

I have nothing to hide

Prove it

[Deanna Knapp]

What makes you think at some point some of the things you do believe won't have to be hidden because the political agenda has changed. The danger is not so much in the bill but as to what they will one day consider terrorism. Will a terrorist be someone who will not bend to political correctness? Won't support and agree to abortion or homosexuality or unity of religion. Who knows, but the seeds of control have long been planted.

[stryker]

I love the "I have nothing to hide," justification for intrusive new laws. It is so myopic. First, you have nothing to hide now. Tomorrow, you may very well severely disagree with something your government is doing. Secondly, just because you are one of the sheep, doesn't mean that the rest of us are. We do have opinions and other things that we do not believe the government has any right or business being involved in.

[Mercuria]

If you don't have anything to hide you wont be effected by this bill.

Got news for you:

I have the right to hide ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from the government if the only due process it can come up with against me is "we're at war".

Unless you believe the American citizenry as a whole should be considered guilty until proven innocent?

[FrdmLvr]

Not to mention most of the provisions sunset in 4 years.

Nothing ever goes away.

[Boucheau]

I do not trust the gov't one iota. Any individual who blindly trusts ANY gov't is a fool. The founding fathers believed that same to be true.

I love the label "tin-foil hat" that how some conservatives "the defenders of freedom and the constitution" came up with to brand anyone with a dissenting view on this one. It's obvious some people already had thier tongues hanging out in full readiness for the recent onslaught of boots.

You'll get temporary boost in safety. But what might be the unintended consequences? The thought of which you are so eagerly willing to evade.

I definitely DO NOT LOVE THE GOVERNMENT. My country, I love. The ideas that have made it great, I value. The powermongering chumps-in-charge, no love lost in any event.

I shall don my tin-foil hat in four years whilst we watch them conjure up some other convenient excuse, some necessity, to rationalize their extending of the power grab.

Have Americans become so naive as to trust their politicians? Do they suppose that the constitution, or our freedoms are safe in the clutches of career politicians who are usually, and at best borderline personalities, and at worst sociopaths?

In our time what decent, intelligent and honorable man would even attempt to get elected? He'd have to relegate himself to the level of scumbag just to get through the first week of campaigning. Does an honest man have a chance in the US political arena today? I think not.

Ask yourself, why a person would spend millions to attain an office that pays 80-150 grand?

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." --Patrick Henry

"Government is too big and too important to be left to the politicians." --Claire Huchet Bishop

"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments." --William Edgar Borah

"Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of it. The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it." -- Nadia Boulanger (1887-1979)

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." -- Louis Dembitz Brandeis (1856-1941)

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." -- Gerald R. Ford (b. 1913)

"The biggest lesson I learned from Vietnam is not to trust [our own] government statements. I had no idea until then that you could not rely on [them]." -- James William Fulbright (b. 1905), US Senator

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), 3rd US President

"The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who Is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost invariably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And if he is not romantic personally, he is apt to spread discontent among those who are." -- Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956), American editor, critic, founder "American Mercury"

[snodog]

Kinnda makes you question some of the people here doesn't it. But because of this new law, they have all been targeted, and I am sure they are all under surveilance as we speak.

[handk]

	"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chain be set lightly upon you and may posterity forget ye were our countrymen." Samuel Adams - American Patriot
Samuel Adams Quote	"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men"
Samuel Adams Quote	"Mankind are governed more by their feelings than by reason."
"Doc" Tavish Quote	"I am tired of seeing people get attacked for speaking the truth and the hecklers not being able to prove their point other than through scorn or ridicule. Liberals can't refute the truth so all liberals instead attempt to make the truth bearer into a buffoon hoping to draw the public's attention away from the message! I will tell you a secret and I hope that you learn from it! If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed - the liar always attacks the opposing person and the truth teller always attacks the opposing premise! What great person or debater has ever proven their point by ridiculing people? Did Jesus use this method? Who has ever used ridicule other than those who can't refute the truth, such as what the Pharisees did to Jesus? Truth is never defended with ridicule. Facts speak for themselves."
Somerset Maugham Quote	"If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom, and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that, too."
Patrick Henry Quote	"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Benjamin Franklin	"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Judge Learned Hand (1872-1961)	"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it."
Thomas Jefferson Quote	"Unlearned views... are, perhaps, the more confident in proportion as they are less enlightened."
William Pit Quote	"Necessity is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves."
Dresden James Quote	"The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
Thomas Jefferson Quote	"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

[Wm Bach]

If you don't have anything to hide you wont be effected by this bill.

The creed of good little germans, everywhere.