Andrew Sullivan: Victory is an article of faith for Bush

The Sunday Times (U.K.) ^ | 10/28/2001 | Andrew Sullivan

[Torie]

He was probably having gay homosexual anal sex when he wrote this piece of fluff.

A mind in which such a thought occured when reading the article is one which I am glad I do not possess.

[Servant of the Nine]

I am a proud, card carrying homophobe. They scare me. I was born that way. I can't help it.

Well, that explains a lot. I have no fear of them, nor does my son. We know that we are heterosexuals and as such have nothing to fear. Fear comes from being insecure about your own feelings, you fear that you might like it.

So9

[mombonn]

It's between the frenzied fanaticism of one man, and the calm, sustaining faith of another.

Amen, and amen! Thank you, Lord, for our wonderful President. Please continue to guide him as he leads this nation.

Please continue to keep him safe, and fill him with your wisdom and discernment.

Please keep him humble, realizing that he needs You for this strength.

[mombonn]

Perhaps that is why more conservative Christians like independent Baptists will never fully trust Bush in the future.

Have you ever listened to Kirbyjohn Caldwell, President Bush's Pastor? He makes most Southern Baptists sound liberal.

I'm so grateful for Pastor Caldwell, he has prepared our President well.

[Media2Powerful]

ROTFL...why, that was a joke, sir. ROTFL and LOL and LOL

[JMJ333]

Bush is a deeply religious man. That's not to say he's pious. His easy nicknames for journalists, his tangled baseball analogies, his constant outbursts of chuckles do not connote a man of solemn devotion. Compared with the ostentatious sanctimony of Jimmy Carter, Bush seems urbane, even sassy.

Oh...I guess you must practice perfection in order to connote "solemn devotion." Pardon me, but I do the same thing and consider myself a pious individual. The characteristics Sullivan is criticizing Bush for are NORMAL human emotions that EVERYONE does, including Andrew. And just in case Andy forgot his own religion, engaging in anal sex is a far more serious sin than calling adam clymer an a**hole. He should pluck the beam from his own eye first.

[mombonn]

But can we the people be sufficiently patient to allow the full measure to come out?... With the democrat political machine already gearing up to sow their usual divisive sludge, I doubt it. Disinformation, mischaracterizations, and misdirection will hallmark the coming election campaign of the criminal enterprise democrat party.

Don't forget, dear friend, God is IN CHARGE! He saw us through the last election, in spite of outright voter fraud. He put W through the crucible of that election. It seems like a thousand years ago, even just since 9/ll!

As long as President Bush continues to bend his knee, and as long as WE continue to uphold him in prayer, the demonrats WILL NOT prevail!

[No Truce With Kings]

Andrew Sullivan is brilliant and one of the best political writers of our time. This piece illustrates Sullivan at his best.

At the same time, I have found some of his writing narcissistic and self-absorbed -- a quality found in a lot of gay writers. Not surprising. I think at its heart homosexuality is about narcissism.

Much as I love what he writes, I suspect I would not enjoy spending an afternoon with Mr. Sullivan, shooting the breeze. I get the feeling that he believes in the egocentric view of the universe -- everything revolves around him -- a modern day Oscar Wilde. (I may be wrong.)

Still, that does not mean I cannot admire and enjoy his writings. After all, I love Beethoven's music, but I understand that he was a bit much to take, also. Especially downwind.

[Ann Archy]

He was NOT brought up as a Methodist....that is the religuion of Laura that he follows now...he was brought up as an Episcipalian...I believe.

[carpio]

BUMP

[gcruse]

Actually, I thought Sullivan was comparing Bush to the pious ineffectiveness of Jimmy Carter, and praising Bush. But I could be wrong. :)

[mombonn]

Let's not forget that Jimmy Carter(yes, that retarded Jimmy) is also a deeply religious man and freeing hostages was his "personal mission".

Jimmuh also SUPPORTS the entire demonrat agenda - partial-birth abortion, clintbilly, and all the rest of their perverted beliefs.

Don't sound too Christian to me.

[BibChr]

Really? Do you remember exactly where that comes from? Do you remember the verses before it, or the ones after it? Who said it? What He was talking about?

I always find such considerations important before I apply something to someone else -- or to myself, for that matter.

I'll be interested to hear your response.

Dan

[JMJ333]

I thought he came across as snied. Hey...I've been wrong before.

[gcruse]

he believes in the egocentric view of the universe -- everything revolves around him

Well, that's where I disagree with him.  It obviously
revolves around me and I am unanimous in that.

[Media2Powerful]

Putting aside gay issues, about which I have no desire to discuss with you, would you care to give some examples of the inconsistency you see in Sullivan? Perhaps it will help me discover my own inconsistencies, since my views largely track his, point by point.

I used to like Sullivan, inspite of his being gay. I agreed with his politics. That's all I cared about. But then he wrote a bunch of columns that were brutal and unfair. Also, he wrote a colunn, and I apoligize for being so vague but I really don't want to have to go back through his stuff to be more specific, that was supporting gay activity among teens or something. Again, I remember how I felt shocked about it but not the specific words.

If he wants to be gay ....whatever. But, it's an adult subject and I strongly feel that kids should be left out of it. Not in the Boy Scouts. Not in school. That is why I jest about being afraid of them. I get tired of being called names but the gay activism and prostlityzing being done in schools, etc... does scare me.

I think Sullivan is a very smart guy. I would guess that he was introduced to gay sex as a youth and that's why he thinks it's okay. It is not okay.

Then, he wrote about 5 straight articles slamming Jerry Falwell. Falwell's apology just got in Sullivan's way. His agenda came before sincerity and truth. If Sullivan can hate Falwell for his WORDS on a Christian Broadcasting Network then why can't someone hate Sullivan for his WORDS in print? hmm? Seems contradictory to slam someone for only practicing the same technique your admired Sullivan uses. (I use the word "hate" loosely here. I know that gay activists love the word so much so I try to use it as much as I can when discussing the issue.)

Anyway, there have been numerous other areas that he seems to bounce back and forth from conservative to extreme liberal. I've promised myself to remember this trait about him.

[Penny1]

He was NOT brought up as a Methodist....that is the religuion of Laura that he follows now...he was brought up as an Episcipalian...I believe.

Yes, that is exactly right.

-penny

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Thanks for the ping. I have always admired Sullivan's honesty even though we are political opposites. This is a great article. Faith can move mountains and I have no doubt that God placed George Bush here and now for more reasons than we can comprehend. I thank Him for doing so.

[bayourod]

It is a good article, however I think he overstates President Bush's proclivity for alcohol in his earlier days.

Everything I have read indicates that President Bush was not a heavy drinker or an alcoholic. I took him to a party back in those days, and I don't specifically remember him having any alcohol to drink.

[willyboyishere]

Media2Powerful, you sound like a latent heterosexual.