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Fla. Vote Review Shows Barest Margins
Associated Press ^ | November 12, 2001 | By ROBERT TANNER and SHARON L. CRENSON

Posted on 11/12/2001 1:20:20 AM PST by MeekOneGOP

Monday November 12 2:52 AM ET

Fla. Vote Review Shows Barest Margins

By ROBERT TANNER and SHARON L. CRENSON,

A vote-by-vote review of untallied ballots in the 2000 Florida presidential election indicates George W. Bush would have narrowly prevailed in the partial recounts sought by Al Gore (news - web sites), but Gore might have reversed the outcome - by the barest of margins - had he pursued and gained a complete statewide recount.

Bush eventually won Florida, and thus the White House, by 537 votes out of more than 6 million cast. But questions about the uncounted votes lingered.

Almost a year after that cliffhanger conclusion, a media-sponsored review of the more than 175,000 disputed ballots underscored that the prize of the U.S. presidency came down to an almost unimaginably small number of votes.

The new data, compiled by The Associated Press and seven other news organizations, also suggested that Gore followed a legal strategy after Election Day that would have led to defeat even if it had not been rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites). Gore sought a recount of a relatively small portion of the state's disputed ballots while the review indicates his only chance lay in a course he advocated publicly but did not pursue in court - a full statewide recount of all Florida's untallied votes.

``We are a nation of laws and the presidential election of 2000 is over,'' Gore said Sunday in a prepared statement. ``Right now, our country faces a great challenge as we seek to successfully combat terrorism. I fully support President Bush (news - web sites)'s efforts to achieve that goal.

Said Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer (news - web sites): ``The election was settled a year ago, President Bush won and the voters have long since moved on.''

Against the backdrop of the disputed Nov. 7, 2000, election, the news organizations set out earlier this year to examine as many as possible of the ballots set aside as either undervotes or overvotes. Undervotes involved about 62,000 ballots where voting machines were unable to detect a choice for any presidential candidate, while about 113,000 overvotes were read by machines as possibly containing more than one choice.

The goal of the news organizations was not to learn who really ``won'' Florida; the Electoral College (news - web sites) already had determined Bush was the winner following a U.S. Supreme Court decision that ended further counting and led to Gore's concession. The aim was to provide a valuable historical record by thoroughly assessing tens of thousands of ballots that no one had fully examined.

Much of the legal wrangling focused on how votes were defined, and the ballot review did, too, calculating results under different standards - for example, whether to count as votes ``hanging chads'' on punch-card ballots or ballots marked with an ``X'' instead of the required filled-in oval on optical scan ballots.

Completing two partial recounts that Gore unsuccessfully pursued in court showed Bush maintaining a lead ranging between 225 and 493 votes - meaning Bush still would have won if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a partial statewide recount to continue.

Under any standard that tabulated all disputed votes statewide, however, Gore erased Bush's advantage and emerged with a tiny lead that ranged from 42 to 171 votes.

Strikingly, all these outcomes were closer than even the narrow 537 votes of Bush's official victory. With numbers that tiny, experts said it would be impossible to interpret the survey results as definitive.

Under the most inclusive standards, the study showed up to 24,653 potentially salvageable overvotes and undervotes among the 12 presidential candidates who ran in Florida.

The Florida election review was developed by the AP, CNN, The New York Times, The Palm Beach Post, The St. Petersburg Times, Tribune Publishing, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post. Tribune newspapers include the Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times, Newsday, the Orlando Sentinel and the South Florida Sun-Sentinel in Ft. Lauderdale.

This media consortium hired the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago to view each untallied ballot and gather information about how it was marked. Founded in 1941, the center is a not-for-profit corporation whose charter is to advance the methodology of public opinion surveys and provide accurate survey data.

The consortium used computers to sort and tabulate votes, based on varying scenarios that had been raised during the postelection scramble in Florida. County election officials made the ballots available to NORC under state and local laws.

A NORC supervisor said county officials sometimes had difficulties identifying the exact ballots that went untallied on Election Day. Because of that, along with the possibility that ballot observers mistook some data in such a mammoth tabulation, it would be impossible to guarantee which candidate prevailed if the margins were within a few hundred votes, he said.

``As that differential between the two candidates becomes smaller and smaller, there's the potential that the inherent variability in the data could be larger than that minimal difference,'' said Kirk Wolter, senior vice president for statistics and methodology who helped supervise the project for NORC. Wolter spoke before the results were known.

As President Bush and the nation address a host of new concerns after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, those who once were embroiled in the Florida political contest - on either side - had little reaction.

Bush would not comment directly, Fleischer said, adding: ``It's over.''

``You've got to accept it, put the bitterness aside and move ahead,'' a key adviser to Gore, Carter Eskew, said Sunday. He added, however, that the results backed up the conviction of Democrats that their man had won.

Florida's election saw 6.1 million votes cast, and county figures suggest that more than 176,000 ballots, or 2.9 percent, never made it into the certified totals.

That percentage is not unusual and likely would have attracted little attention but for the closeness of the outcome. Nationwide last year, about 2 percent of ballots were disqualified. Some states were far higher: Illinois with 3.9 percent, Georgia 3.5 percent, South Carolina 3.4 percent of votes untallied for a variety of reasons.

Gore outpolled Bush by 540,000 votes nationwide, but the presidency is decided in the Electoral College. Each candidate desperately needed Florida to win and, at the end of an agonizing Election Night, Bush held a slim lead, putting the focus on Florida's uncounted absentee ballots and disputed votes. The vice president's campaign rallying cry soon became ``count all the votes.'' Gore's legal strategy, however, was to pursue a narrower recount.

At first, Gore's attorneys sought a hand recount of all 1.8 million ballots cast in the predominantly Democratic counties of Palm Beach, Miami-Dade, Broward and Volusia. Later, Gore and Democratic supporters argued for recounts in various other counties.

The Florida Supreme Court (news - web sites) ordered a statewide recount of undervotes on Dec. 8, but it was stopped the next day by the U.S. Supreme Court and the legal action returned to state courts.

Gore used public appearances to call for a full accounting of the vote in Florida more than once, but Bush rejected the idea and the Democrats never pushed that option in court. Republicans argued that hand recounts opened the door to bias and as various counties performed recounts, Bush's advocates argued variously for more and less restrictive standards.

A pivotal moment came Nov. 26, when Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris (news - external web site) - saying she was following state law - certified Bush the winner by 537 votes.

On Dec. 13, the closest presidential contest in decades finally ended 36 days after Election Day following a contentious 5-4 vote by the U.S. Supreme Court that allowed Harris' certification to stand. Gore accepted the verdict and, with that, Bush won Florida's 25 electoral votes and the presidency.

The court's decision ending Gore's efforts to pursue a recount of the undervote spoke to the importance of including overvote in any comprehensive ballot review.

``A manual recount of all ballots identifies not only those ballots which show no vote but also those which contain more than one, the so-called overvotes,'' the court said. ``Neither category will be counted by the machine. This is not a trivial concern.''

Gore never did press in court for a full recount and the strategy he followed to seek the undervotes alone would not likely have benefited him. When the consortium tabulations tried to recreate the partial recounts Gore did pursue, those two scenarios kept Bush ahead:

-FOUR COUNTIES. If Gore had been successful in his initial efforts for recounts of all ballots in Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, Broward and Volusia counties.

Result: Bush ahead by 225 votes.

-STATEWIDE UNDERVOTE: If the state Supreme Court-ordered recount on Dec. 9 had not been stopped by the U.S. Supreme Court. The review considered this scenario under two different criteria - one that followed the court's literal instruction to examine only undervotes and another that followed the intentions of each county's election officials, some of whom told reporters they also would examine overvotes.

Result: Bush ahead, with a range of 430 to 493.

In the review of all the state's disputed ballots, Gore edged ahead under all six scenarios for counting all undervotes and overvotes statewide:

-PREVAILING STANDARD: County election officials told Florida journalists how they would define votes if required to do a recount and in this scenario the majority standard was imposed statewide. A notable element of this standard was that, in punch-card counties, ballots with at least one corner of a chad detached counted as votes.

Result: Gore ahead by 60 votes.

-TWO-CORNER STANDARD: At least two corners of a chad must be detached to count as a vote, a position that had been argued, at times, by Bush supporters. Same as prevailing standard for optical scan ballots.

Result: Gore ahead by 105 votes.

-MOST INCLUSIVE: Ballots with dimpled chads count as votes, an argument often made by Gore supporters. Same as prevailing standard for optical scan ballots.

Result: Gore ahead by 107 votes.

-LEAST INCLUSIVE: Only cleanly punched chads count as valid votes. For optical scan, only fully filled ovals and those ballots on which a voter filled in the oval and wrote in the candidate's name, too.

Result: Gore ahead by 115 votes.

-COUNTY-by-COUNTY: Drawn from the county election officials. It accepts results from Broward and Volusia counties because those counties completed hand counts that were included in state-certified election totals. For those counties that said they would not count overvotes, relies on prevailing standard.

Result: Gore ahead by 171 votes.

-PALM BEACH STANDARD: Based on a standard Palm Beach election officials briefly used, this counts dimpled chads as valid votes if a pattern of dimpled chads exists elsewhere on the same ballot. Same as prevailing standard for optical scan ballots.

Result: Gore ahead by 42 votes.

Eskew said Gore and campaign strategists had wanted to count all the votes, but that some had doubted whether it could be accomplished quickly enough.

In general, the National Opinion and Research Center had three people review each undervote and one review each overvote. When three-person teams were used, the AP analysis counted ballots only when at least two workers agreed on the markings.

A closer examination by the AP of where the candidates gained and lost votes indicated that Bush consistently stayed ahead when undervotes alone were counted in statewide scenarios. When the overvotes were included, Gore prevailed.

Last spring, The Miami Herald and USA Today published an accounting of thousands of uncertified undervote ballots, partnering with Knight Ridder newspapers, including the Tallahassee Democrat and The Bradenton Herald. Newspapers joining in a later study of overvote ballots were The Tampa Tribune, Florida Today, The News-Press of Fort Myers and the Pensacola News Journal.

Looking at just undervotes, the group's conclusion was similar to that of the media consortium - that Bush would likely have maintained his lead if a statewide hand-count had been completed. The Herald-USA Today review of both undervotes and overvotes rendered a split: Bush would stayed ahead under the strictest standards for judging votes, while Gore would have broken on top under the most liberal.

The Herald-USA Today group did not examine all the ballots in person, relying in part on computer records of disputed votes.

The election spurred many other examinations of the Florida voting, including a U.S. Commission on Civil Rights study that found black voters' ballots were disproportionately thrown out.

The AP, in a separate examination into demographics and precinct-level voting patterns, found that precincts with higher percentages of black registered voters were likely to have higher percentages of ballots that could not be tallied by machines. Of 4,468 precincts where at least 500 ballots were cast, the 20 with the highest percentage of ballots thrown out were all at least 80 percent black.

The separate review also found that 18 counties with confusing, two-column and two-page presidential ballots had higher error rates than other counties. Design was also the problem with the notorious butterfly ballot in Palm Beach County, where thousands of elderly voters said they mistakenly voted for Pat Buchanan (news - web sites) when they meant Gore.

In Duval County, where the ballot spread presidential candidates across two pages, an astounding 21,942 voters marked their ballots for more than one presidential candidate - more than in any other Florida county.

The lack of guidance in Florida law added to the confusion. It required only that election officials, in a recount, simply determine ``the intent of the voter.''

The law since has been changed to outlaw punch cards and set wide-open standards for accepting imperfect ballots. The proposed new standards would accept ballots with a candidate's name circled or if an X, star or ``any other mark'' touches the candidate's oval.

In Palm Beach County, officials at one point considered dimpled chads as viable votes and at another imposed a stricter standard. In Lake County, overvotes in which voters wrote in the name of the same candidate they had marked were disqualified on Election Day by county election officials. In Volusia County's recount, such overvotes were accepted.

``It's obvious what the voter's intent was,'' said retired Volusia County Judge Michael McDermott, who oversaw his county's recount. ``He wanted to vote for candidate X so much he voted for him twice.''

The imprecise nature of local election work caused confusion on Election Day itself, and again as the media-sponsored review tried to recreate the exact breakdown of certified and uncertified votes so the ballots could be examined.

Some counties came up with precisely the same number of untallied ballots, some were off by a handful, some by hundreds. In the course of the effort, officials in Franklin County found a glitch that had mistakenly given Gore an extra vote, meaning Bush's official victory margin should have been 538.

Ultimately, the consortium viewed 175,010 ballots.

The review's results ultimately reflect the hairsbreadth split in the election, said Doug Lewis, an elections administration expert who has spent the past year working on improving voting systems and laws.

``You always hope they're never this close,'' Lewis said. ``But reality was, it was.'' While it may not clear up all the political debate, he said, the review does provide the public with a better accounting of what happened to those ballots officials never viewed - and how officials can stop such confusion from happening again.

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AP writer David Royse in Tallahassee, Fla., contributed to this report.

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On the Net:

http://www.norc.uchicago.edu

http://wire.ap.org/

http://www.dos.state.fl.us

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Bush wins - AGAIN! He's won the Florida election FOUR times now! Must be a record?????
``We are a nation of laws and the presidential election of 2000 is over,'' Gore said Sunday in a prepared statement. ``Right now, our country faces a great challenge as we seek to successfully combat terrorism. I fully support President Bush (news - web sites)'s efforts to achieve that goal.

Said Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer (news - web sites): ``The election was settled a year ago, President Bush won and the voters have long since moved on.''

1 posted on 11/12/2001 1:20:20 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
I was hoping they would have found Al Gore was the definite winner. I love to hear Dumocrats whine.
2 posted on 11/12/2001 1:23:52 AM PST by Always Right
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To: MeeknMing
If you recall BEFORE election night Drudge bragged how he would release VNS Poll data BEFORE the networks did.
Sure enough, before the 2nd time zone in FL closed he "announced" Gore won.
Then Fox, according to O'Reilly, was the 1st network to "announce" Gore won before the FL polls had closed.
On election night I was at a friends house while she was on the State of FL election return site,
it showed Bush ahead while Fox and everyone else said Gore won.
I wonder how many Bush votes were lost by the 2nd time zone due to Drudge, Fox etc.
3 posted on 11/12/2001 1:29:42 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: MeeknMing
"The goal of the news organizations was not to learn who really ``won'' Florida..... The aim was to provide a valuable historical record...." = Total BS
4 posted on 11/12/2001 1:34:04 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
I wonder how many Bush votes were lost by the 2nd time zone due to Drudge, Fox etc.
No doubt about it! The Western part of Florida (panhandle) is HEAVY military voters. As DUMB as it is, many voters left lines to go home (or just didn't stop by their polling place) since "Gore won" and their vote "wouldn't matter" anyway. I would NEVER do that. . .
5 posted on 11/12/2001 1:36:32 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
What a mess.
6 posted on 11/12/2001 1:36:46 AM PST by RLK
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
I'm sure plenty!
I remember watching and seeing the totals and Bush was ahead and they called it for Gore- I turned to my wife in total disgust, it was very confusing to say the least.
7 posted on 11/12/2001 1:37:26 AM PST by StayoutdaBushesWay
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To: Always Right
This is even better than I hoped. It shows that if Gore had not try to cheat - "recounting" in only those counties that were favorable to him - then he may have had a shot.

Strategy backfire, eh Al? tehehe

8 posted on 11/12/2001 1:37:44 AM PST by BlueCat
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To: YaYa123
If they were really that concerned about "the historical record" they would have conducted the same in all 50 states; not just Florida.
9 posted on 11/12/2001 1:38:33 AM PST by marajade
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You got that right!

"Florida's election saw 6.1 million votes cast, and county figures suggest that more than 176,000 ballots, or 2.9 percent, never made it into the certified totals.

That percentage is not unusual and likely would have attracted little attention but for the closeness of the outcome. Nationwide last year, about 2 percent of ballots were disqualified. Some states were far higher: Illinois with 3.9 percent, Georgia 3.5 percent, South Carolina 3.4 percent of votes untallied for a variety of reasons."

10 posted on 11/12/2001 1:43:32 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: MeeknMing
As a FL observer volunteer in PB County, I san say, having seen hundreds of these ballots up close and personal a few things about this appalling article:

This article reveals the relentless leftist agenda of teh subversive Lefties who did this so-called "study."

The truth is you cannot caount "over-votes" becasue the voter voted TWICE, and that would require psychic posers to determine the "voter's intent."

Nor can you count under-votes" becasue that means the person never VOTED for the office, period, which reasoning, besides breaking the law, extrtapolates voter intent from....NOTHING at all!

Bush actually won for the eighth time by my count...

They didn;'t count the OVERSEAS MILITARY VOTES WHICH WERE THROWN OUT by arbitrary fiat!

Nor did they count the 10,000 to 15,000 FL Panhandle votes & voters disenfranchised stolen by the fraudulent TV Networks deliberate false call before the FL Panhandlle closed.

11 posted on 11/12/2001 1:51:27 AM PST by FReethesheeples
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To: YaYa123
I bet it must have ticked them off knowing they spent all that money reviewing ballots just to learn that Bush really did win. Didn't the NYT spend tons?
12 posted on 11/12/2001 1:56:30 AM PST by marajade
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To: Always Right
Actaully, even these Leftist creeps found Bush won, they just hid behind a bunch of lies.

Who but a Gore supporter would have the interest and drive to "count" these votes when it is settled legal and historical fact thjat Bush won, ---- now for the 8th and 9th time!

As I noted above, counting over-votes and under-votes requires "hallucintaion" and "mind-reading" because over votes involve voting TWICE and under votes involve not voting at all for the office!

You musdt mind-read to count over-votes and you must halllucinate to count une\der-votes; I know, I saw hundreds of ballots --very close up --- in PB County as a Bush volunteer vote observer.

13 posted on 11/12/2001 2:00:21 AM PST by FReethesheeples
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To: MeeknMing
Algore - LOSER

AP, CNN, The New York Times, The Palm Beach Post, The St. Petersburg Times, Tribune Publishing, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post. Tribune newspapers include the Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times, Newsday, the Orlando Sentinel and the South Florida Sun-Sentinel in Ft. Lauderdale - LOSER

Elected President Bush - PRICELESS!

14 posted on 11/12/2001 2:06:23 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: YaYa123
Illinois with 3.9 percent
If the election had been CLOSE in Illinois, there would of been NO END of scandalous mess in DAILYVILLE . . .er, Chicago, I mean!
15 posted on 11/12/2001 4:12:14 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: FReethesheeples
The media simply couldn't live with a Bush win. This media "consortium" paid 1 million dollars to prove it didn't happen. The organization the media hired is one million dollars richer. They are the real winners of this umpteenth vote count.

But thank goodness they are honest enough to admit, they didn't really count votes, they counted what they perceived as the "intentions" of voters.

Voting by Karnack.

16 posted on 11/12/2001 4:23:51 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: BlueCat
LOL you bet the dumbcrats tried to only count their own counties and LOST IN THEIR OWN COUNTIES. Thank goodness they didn't listen to the Republicans for a state-wide recount. But where are those MILITARY BALLOTS?????
17 posted on 11/12/2001 4:26:34 AM PST by nancetc
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To: MeeknMing
"But questions about the uncounted votes lingered. "

So, what else is new? The Florida recount is a dim memory and pales in light of 9/11.

18 posted on 11/12/2001 4:27:35 AM PST by itsinthebag
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To: MeeknMing
"Gore sought a recount of a relatively small portion of the state's disputed ballots while the review indicates his only chance lay in a course he advocated publicly but did not pursue in court - a full statewide recount of all Florida's untallied votes.

Gore asked for a recount in predominantly Democratic precints only. A recount of the entire state still would have had Bush as the winner. Rarely, if ever, has a recount reversed an election. I recall that the Bush/Cheyney team were willing for a recount of the entire state but that Gore was not willing for that to be done. Gore knew that a recount would have given Bush an even wider margin. He wanted only the 4 democratic precints recounted because he knew fraud and cheating by his operatives had been put in place.

19 posted on 11/12/2001 4:32:31 AM PST by itsinthebag
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"I'm sure plenty! I remember watching and seeing the totals and Bush was ahead and they called it for Gore- I turned to my wife in total disgust, it was very confusing to say the least.

Exactly. I remember seeing the scroll at the bottom of the screen indicating that Bush was ahead in Florida by 51% to 47% when the state was called for Gore. I was stunned by that and couldn't understand how that could be. Also, when Gore finally conceded, he was down over 60,000 votes. But in a matter of an hour, that lead evaporated. Thus the famous "don't get snippy" phone call to Bush. The fix had already been in. His initial concession was all show. His operatives were already on the plane heading for Florida to begin the election fiasco while he was giving his so-called "concession" to Bush.

20 posted on 11/12/2001 4:42:24 AM PST by itsinthebag
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