Skip to comments.Putin intends to wipe out anti-Semitism in his country
Posted on 11/16/2001 6:14:22 PM PST by CommiesOut
I think is has to do with the fact that they were so set apart from society for so long. Jews were forbidden to demand usery (interest) from one another, as were early European Christians. Therefore, Jews often went into banking and prospered by lending money to non-Jews. That caused the old resentment of debtor to lender (Just like I resent Sallie Mae for my astronomical student loan).
Jews were forbidden to go into many professions, so they became very good at the few they could practice and often stayed in the same profession generation after generation. They prospered. Often, this conspicuous properity led to the false assumption that they were corrupt and stealing from the non-Jews. This tended to become a sort of mythology not countered for many generations until it tended to boil over into anti-Jewish violence in many places around Europe.
This is off subject, but this reminds me of the Stalinist propaganda films fo the 1930s. Just about every movie made in the Soviet Union during that time began with a short piece showing how Georgians were just as Russian as anyone else and proclaiming how wonderful Georgia and Georgians were.
Drives them nuts that Jews have their own nation in the ME and have the means and will to defend it! 43% of Israelis are MidEast Jews who were ruthlessly expelled from the Arab nations. So Israel is a gathering together of the Jews of the MidEast. Not just a Euro-Zionist enterprise.
I don't suppose it could have anything to do with the fact that kindly old uncle Joe was Goergians? Naaa didn't think so either. :-)
Bull. I didn't start this. I don't remember any Jews on FR posting anything about Poles or eastern Europeans until you guys started all this anti-Jewish crap.
If you want to dish it out, you had better be able to take it.
I got it from this Polish website
I've every confidence they'll meet with every success we've enjoyed with our War on Nouns Series in which we've targed (but somehow only exacerbated the problems of) Organized Crime, Poverty, Drugs and Terrorism.
Time to revise my thoughts on the humor-less militant atheist ... somebody's splitting a gut on this headline.
I was talking about residing in a country.
Jews in the USA pay taxes. We vote. So taxpayers helped build a few holocaust museums. Why does this make you so angry?
It's not like there was a poll of individual taxpayers what museum they want their money to go for.
They set themselves apart from the society. There is no universal law that various people will target Jews for no reason.
There is nothing uniqually Russian about public drunkeness. have you ever been to Amsterdam? New York? Paris? Public drunkenness exists there as well. (Russians simply can hold their liquor better than most. THIS is a unique Russian trait!)
They don't have such a table. So the nazi web site you get it from is your head, haha.
I wouldn't get overly alarmed at Putin's comments. BTW, the author forgot to mention exactly where anti-semitism isn't "deeply rooted"--outside of Israel, of course. Putin sounds to me like he's trying to please someone--most likely that someone is willing to invest in Russia.
More tacitly and subconsciously, I was taught the superiority of my people to the gentiles who had oppressed us. We were taught to view non-Jews as untrustworthy outsiders, people from whom sudden gusts of hatred might be anticipated, people less sensitive, intelligent, and moral than ourselves. We were also taught that the lesson of our dark history is that we could rely on no one."
Which means that for the first 10 years they did. And what about Beria, idealistically running KGB till December 24, 1953?
I don't see how it is "nazi" to point out that the Poles are taking credit for the accomplishments of people they have driven out of their country. It is as if the Germans were to claim credit for Einstein.
Poland has had 10 Nobel Prize winners for science, an impressive number, but only one, Marie Curie, would be allowed to live in Poland today.
There have been many accusations that Beria was a Jew, but I have seen no proof of it. As far as I can tell, Beria was a Georgian.
His predecessor, Felix Dzerzinski, of course, was a Pole.
Perhaps, they don't realize the amount of resentment some Jews have towards Poland.
Einstein did develop as a person in Germany. I believe before the Nazis came to power, he was uninhibited in his career. His most famous articles were published in the begining of the century. Or are you counting Jews separately in every country? If you do so, then the question why there is "anti-semitism" has its answer right there.
And to your question why it is "nazi", you didn't ask that question when being pointed out how many Jewish Bolsheviks there were in Lenin's government.
What's funny? I was at a friend's house the other night and had to ask, "What is 'The Protocols of Zion'?"
He explained what it was and why he had it. I explained why I wanted to read through it and he lent it to me.
The full title page reads:
Naturally, Marsden was inexplicably released from (not executed in) the Peter&Paul prison. Though it made him ill to translate the diabolical text into English at the British Museum, he perservered. Of course, the exact details of his death remain a mystery.
Just searching with my stethoscope to get a feel for the beat of the telltale black heart I think still exists in spades.
I guess I found too many parallels between the blowing up of Moscow apartments of late and the blowing up of their own police stations in the '20's, Lenin's NEP and the capitalism (as privatized into the hands of Party faithful turned oligarchs) to be as confident as the rest in the comprehensive metanoia necessary for glasnost or perestroika to be genuine.
No doubt about it.
I knew if I tried hard enough I could find something about which we agree.:o)
It is a well-known fact that Jews in Eastern Europe, including Poland, were never considered citizens of the countries in which they lived. It seems to me that, if the country in which they lived did not give them full citizenship, and in fact, did its best to drive them out, that country has no right to claim credit for their accomplishments.
Or are you counting Jews separately in every country?
The United States is a completely different situation. Jews have full citizenship here.
I'm not sure either. I try to find answers in an available literature. This piece is written by an American Jew so I have no choice but assume that he's not an antisemite.
In the early 1990s, University of Iowa journalism professor Stephen Bloom, feeling alienated in Iowa City, went searching for his Jewish heritage. He thought he could find it in Postville, a small town in northeast Iowa, where he discovered there was an enclave of ultra-Orthodox Jews. This book, framed as both personal journey and examination of cultural clashes in the American experiment of multiculturalism, documents what became his profound shock, and disappointment. In looking for romantic myths and legends of the Jewish past, he found instead a jarring ghost from Jewish history and traditional identity that deeply troubled him.Postville A Clash of Cultures in Heartland America, by Stephen G. Bloom,
The story centers upon (...) Chabad Lubavitcher Hasids ("the pious") who in 1987 bought a slaughterhouse in Postville (population: about 1,400), imported hundreds of non-Jewish illegal alien laborers to work for $6 an hour in oppressive conditons, and, since then, have been taking over the town. They also bring pollution to the local river, at least two attempted murders, and Iowa state lawsuits against the company. Bloom hears such tales first from angry local non-Jewish townspeople and initally assumes that their perspective is merely an expression of anti-Jewish prejudice. The longer the author spends in the town, however, and the more he time he spends with the ultra-Orthodox Jews who seek to pull him into their community, the more he accepts the fact that it is not "anti-Semitism" that fuels the outrage felt by longtime Postville residents, but verifiable Jewish hostility, discrimination, and exploitation of non-Jews. A range of classical "anti-Semitic" canards against the ultra-Orthodox Bloom finds to be true. "Many of the Hasidim I had encountered in Postville pretended to be holy," writes Bloom, "but their actions displayed bigotry and racism of the worst degree. (...) This book is a must read for anyone who seeks to honestly understand the verifiable origins of what is popularly known as "anti-Semitism".
As you can see, von Bismarck, all you need is a 1000 Postvilles plus a 1000 years of history and here you have it: a hatred.
We're lucky the US is a very young country and that there is not too many unwashed peasants.
Nonsense. Medieval society was based on a senseless denigration of trade, since aristotle disliked trade and insisted that even if both parties agreed to it and felt they were better off for the trade, one was being ripped off. Since someone needed to do it, medieval society set up a caste to trade & lend money, which would be afforded opportunities denied others, but persecuted for enjoying them. Hypocrisy has its price, which is why it must be fought everywhere.
Today few hate commerce, and thus the root ideological problems that led to it have gone, as, I trust, eventually will go the racial bias resting on the same. natural law would have no less. In this sense Marxism was not a failed futuristic ideology, but a destructive anachronism. In this sense, Russia only joined modernity in the 1990s. Time heals all wounds.
It's not known to me. And if there were tensions, the blame should probably be assigned equally. And what about Western Europe and Einstein?
The United States is a completely different situation. Jews have full citizenship here.
So I guess they should be primarily loyal to America and not Israel, eh?
Must be one of those guys out to discredit Jews and portray them in the least favorable light.
Isn't it amazing how a Georgian managed to wrestle the power from the Jewish Bolsheviks, who despised the little awkward quite guy, and finish them off one by one?
By the way, Stalin was one the main proponents of Israel's creation. And I hear the Soviet Union was quite liked by Jews as a country designed by their kind.
As usual, I have to correct your geographical and historical mistakes made in the above posted sentence.
1) Poland is not located in Eastern Europe.
2) Jews who lived in Europe before WWII were citizens of the countries that they lived in.
Leave it to our friend. I bet he's working on a very obvious link between M. Curie-Sklodowska and Nagasaki.