Enumerated Powers and National I.D. Cards

Mercurial Times ^ | November 16, 2001 | Aaron Armitage

[ctdonath2]

since I'm not planning on being a fugitive from law or ex wife any time soon, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

You will be when a cop demands your NID card and you don't have it.

Cop: "Show me your NID."
You: "Musta left it home."
Cop: "Then get in the cruiser - you're going downtown to the station until we verify you and fine you $200 for failure to produce NID card on demand."
You: "But I didn't do anything wrong! and I'm supposed to pick up my date for the movie in 20 minute!"
Cop: "TS. Get in the car. You're gonna miss more than the movie. The ID verification office doesn't open until 9AM Monday."
You: "WHAT?"
Cop: "Do I have to spell it out for you? You are to be detained at the county jail until we identify you, and that won't happen likely until Monday afternoon."
You: "But today's Friday!"
Cop: "Sucks to be you."
[ZZZZZAAAP!]
[shove]
[slam]
You: "AAAAAAAAAAA!!! Not fair!"

Ben, a NID basically means it's illegal for you to exist without possessing the card. Go see what happens in other countries with such IDs - it isn't pretty. Sure, people "get along OK with them"...but they certainly aren't free.

[GailA]

Bump

[TheRealLobo]

You said:"...I would imagine that criminals and child support deadbeats might feel otherwise..."

Just when you thought you might actually be innocent of something, then something comes along and bites you in the @ss. Case in point, (and certainly the only time a government agency has screwed up) I went to re-finance my home mortgage this month and the lenders decided to do a credit check on me. Imagine MY suprise when my credit check showed that my child support payments to the state of PA (where my ex-wife lives with my children) had been "formerly in collection but now caught up." After the typical runaround by a government agency, they stated that after they transferred my case from one agent to another, their database showed me in arrears for several months. I've NEVER missed a child support payment, and they very NEARLY f*cked me over because of their incompetency.

Do I want my name in another gov't sponsored database? NO, and if you think they aren't going to screw it up and potentially damage people's reputations, you are far too naive.

[Cold Heat]

I must say that I completely agree that NID is a bad and potentially dangerous idea. Eventually it could be used to control purchases,travel and even the behavior of the card carriers.

And I'm not a libertarian, just a darn republican.

[mafree]

We already have National I.D. cards- - -they're called Social Security Cards.

You're right and unless they can do a better job of preventing fake or fraudulent national ID cards than they presently do with SS cards we won't be much further ahead.

[Ben Chad]

Good argument, well said.

[stanz]

That's exactly how I feel.

[rebelsoldier]

What the hell is the point of a damned national ID card when the the national borders are a joke. What's the ID card gonna say, "Citizen John Doe of Canamerimexico"? Screw that BS. Sounds like NWO crapola to me. If Mexican illegals can get away with; "We don't need no stinking badges" attitude, damned if I will carry a stupid, useless card. They better worry about plugging up the GD open seive of a border instead of issuing "feel good" nonsense ID cards.

[BlackbirdSST]

Thanks to the good Dr. for stating the obvious! Hope you enlightened Ben Chad, as well as others in this thread. Your views reflect that of a substantial number of your countrymen. Hope it's enough to turn this tide. Blackbird.

[davidosborne]

I do not support a NID, however I do support a NATIONAL standard for the issuance of STATE ID's, I know that does not sound much different, but it would be much more efficient to standardize this mess... and I also believe it should be VOLUNTARY..

David C. Osborne (For U.S. Senate in 2004)

[MHGinTN]

For the central authority to take the sovereignty of the individual voter, to usurp the founding principle of this Republic, what must be in place?... Yup, a way to prevent commerce at an individual level, where the central authroity can literally end your individual buying and selling, marginalizing you for manipulation by the central enforcers. We are so close to that now, only 1) the instituting of a mandatory ID card, and 2) the congress-passed enforcement right for the executive branch to operate against ANY not adhering to the program, are lacking. And the next step is as clear and already prophecied in Revelations, fellow Freepers. make no mistake, ours are the crucial rights of sovereignty that must be usurped for the entry of one-world government ... the true end times!

[A.J.Armitage]

I'm amazed. Should this read "If you think it's a good idea to have an identity card, persuade your fellow citizens?"

The quotation in the column is from the AP. (Which has its wire articles here.) I'm sure Scalia would agree with your version as much as with the one he's reported as having said, since he considers it a legislative matter, not a judicial one. Of course, he overlooked the lack of authorization for it in the Constitution.

[A.J.Armitage]

Hopeful FR can put together some good talking points against the national ID.

Sounds interesting. Is anyone already working on it?

[junta]

I'm worried that undocumented immigrants would not have their American ID card and how many hurt feelings it would cause. Perhaps Vincente Fox and his lackeys Gephart and Jorge Bush would work especially hard to get any Mexican/american the proper IDs if they asked. (sarcasm off)

[alpowolf]

Has this happened to you?

Well, I've never caught anybody. But I'm not sure you get my point. Ordinary people like you and me need privacy and freedom. As I've already pointed out a national ID/database system would be accessed by millions of people. (I observe that you did not attempt to refute this.) Existing databases have been abused by govt employees for personal reasons: stalking women, retaliating against people who piss them off, extortion, etc.

Do you seal envelopes before you mail letters? Do you close your curtains at night? Gee, you must have something to hide!

See how ridiculous it sounds?

[Aggressive Calvinist]

Hot dang! That's one heck of a bump list, man!

[nunya bidness]

Well done A.J. Much better than that Finnegan guy. I think he's on the glue.

[A.J.Armitage]

Who?

[nunya bidness]

One of your Mercurial Times fellow space takers.

[A.J.Armitage]

Ah. I thought you might be talking about a thread going on.