In the Bible, who were the "giant sons of God"?

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[sirchtruth]

Chuck Missler I consider a very interesting and sound Bible teacher, someone who is at least a very independent thinker and yet quite orthodox.

Interesting to say the least! He has pointed out things from God's word that surely suggests the signature of the holy spirit is written all over 66/40. (ie...Genesis 5)

I will encourage you all to check his site out just for the shear aspect of how interesting the FACTS he points out.

[Question_Assumptions]

When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them.

If you simply assume that God continued to create new people beyond Adam and Eve, this makes a lot of sense. The "sons of God" were those not born but created. That daughters being born is noteworthy suggests that women were being made some other way. This also solves the whole problem of how Cain could know his wife without her being his sister.

[BA63]

If you simply assume that God continued to create new people beyond Adam and Eve, this makes a lot of sense. The "sons of God" were those not born but created. That daughters being born is noteworthy suggests that women were being made some other way. This also solves the whole problem of how Cain could know his wife without her being his sister.

Question; If one of the curses to the woman in Genesis Chapter 3:16 was a increased sorrow in bringing forth children, were children born prior to the fall? and why did Eve (who was named Eve after that carastrophe) say she had gotten a man from the LORD when she bore Cain, could this mean daughters were born and not recorded (it seems the Bible records male geneaology for the record in the OT)? This of course does preclude that daughters were born prior to Cain's problems but after the fall.

You do raise an interesting issue however.

[sweetliberty]

"This would also explain the diabolical geneaology that produced the Notorious Evil Bert muppet"

ROTFL! You may be on to something. But how do you explain Oscar?

[Saundra Duffy]

That's how we got Bill Clinton, the RAPIST. For victory & freedom!!!

[Green Knight]

Moreover, we have in these mighty men, the "men of renown," the explanation of the origin of the Greek mythology. That mythology was no mere invention of the human brain, but it grew out of the traditions, and memories, and legends of the doings of that mighty race of beings; and was gradually evolved out of the "heroes" of Gen. 6:4. The fact that they were supernatural in their origin formed an easy step to their being regarded as the demi-gods of the Greeks.

So Hercules was a Nephilim?

[Mr. Mulliner]

An interesting thing about that talk by Chuck Missler. When I first heard it, even though I had great respect for Chuck Missler and his approach to the Bible, it seemed so new and even far-fetched initially. But within 2 weeks I heard someone else give a talk (on video) on much of the same thing and I am quite certain that they had not connect with Chuck Missler. The two coincided on several points, even though their main message or purpose was different. It really got my attention.

By the way, you can see that Chuck Missler has a sense of humor by having an "Alien Encounter" conference in Rosswell.

[Belial]

The Nephilim were most likely a popular myth woven into the rest of the Genesis myths, and as the book evolved over time only this passing reference to the Nephilim remained.

[CLaymoreminded]

I was a bit amazed to find not one reference in this thread to the research of Zecheriah Sitchin. If you want to know the Nephilim,look into his work.

The Sitchin Website

[CLaymoreminded]

And read The Book of Enoch.

[PeaceBeWithYou]

I Don't think this is refering to fallen angels. The word Nephilim in Hebrew means "fallen ones". Fallen ones is refering to the "sons of God" that cohabit with the "daughters of men", giving birth to heroes of old, and men of renown. Perception is key here.

In who's eyes are these offspring heros and men of renown?

Farther down we learn that the world has grown so evil that God considers total anihilation of it. That every thought of men is evil, save for 8 souls.

This shows us that the "heros of old" and the "men of renown" are the perception of man, not that of God, and the fallen ones refered to are the (illegitimate)children of (once) Godly men, that have strayed from rightousness.

[k2blader]

Question: What about the Angels who have left their first estate?

Sorry, am not sure what you mean by "angels who have left their first estate." Is that in the Bible somewhere? :)

[restornu]

Sons of God

[philman_36]

Sorry, am not sure what you mean by "angels who have left their first estate." Is that in the Bible somewhere?
The epistle of Jude. That little one pager right before Revelation...verse 6

[BikerTrash]

So Hercules was a Nephilim?

Tell ya frankly, I haven't the faintest idea.

Your question does seem to be in line with what Bullinger is saying here though.

[BA63]

Sorry, am not sure what you mean by "angels who have left their first estate." Is that in the Bible somewhere? :)

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

These are the Angels believed to have cohabitated with humans in the OT. One could argue this single verse out as simply as interjection by the Author. However, Jude and Paul both made mention of this event in Gen 6. Paul mention this in 1 Cor 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. This is a pretty cryptic verse, but in light of this subject it seems to fit very well.

There are two schools of thought when it come to Angels cohabitating with humans(a)Angels can not produce offspring through physical copulation (b)they can, or a least through some means of DNA manipulation.

It's all pretty interesting to study, for me at least, it answered some of the questions I had about Greek Mythology. As some of the posters have mentioned here, ancient peoples relied on stories and traditions (ie: Greeks).

It is my belief, Satan knew where his downfall would come through (the seed of the woman Gen 3:16), it would therefore seem reasonable that he would try to pollute the human bloodline to keep that from happening. He did this in Gen 6 and even after that. Remember, Joshua, Caleb and David had to complete killing these Giant remnants off. In some cases Israel was not even allowed to keep the spoils, like animals, it seems they were corrupted too. God supernaturally intervened to make this happen.

I often hear people saying, If God is so good, how could he command Israel to kill everything and everyone in these enemy camps? Simple to protect the human blood line so the Christ could be born from the seed of the woman, namely Mary.

Now I know this may seem controversial, but, it was the Holy Spirit that overshadowed Mary and she became with child (The Holy One of Israel, Jesus). Since Satan (and these Angels)has supernatural power, could they possibly have had the same power to corrupt the human seed in Gen Chapter 6? If Jude is any indication of Angels positions (estates), they seem to have left what they knew was right to do something very wrong. They paid the price, but not before much human suffering.

Sorry for the long post, there is just so much on this subject. If you are indeed interested in this subject, posters have listed some great links here, again, Eat the Meat and Leave the Bone, protect yourself with prayer.

God Bless

[2sheep]

Excellent post!

[Green Knight]

I gotta tell you, though, when I read that bit from the Bible Hercules immediately springs to mind. Think of the story. Zeus, a god, is attracted to mortal women and has children with them, all of whom are imbued with godly qualities. The description "Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown." certainly does apply to the mythological Greek heroes. Maybe Zeus is one of the Sons of God? Again, I point to Greek mythology, in which it's said that Zeus came from an older, much more powerful god. (Though that god was described as evil) Now, if the theory of the Sons of God being the Fallen Angels is true, then Zeus certainly qualifies. A Fallen Angel would certainly seem like a god to mortal man. And said Fallen Angel, when discussing his creation, would undoubtedly try to cast his creator in the worst possible light. Hence "Cronus" being evil, and the story about defeating the "Titans". (I.E. The angels who stayed loyal to God), when in fact they lost. If you were on a losing side of a war and the other guy wasn't there to tell his side of the story, wouldn't you say you won? That is, if you were as duplicitous as a fallen angel. :P

Then there's Hades. There is no Heaven in Greek mythology for the dead. No paradise. All the dead go to Hades, or Hell. Naturally, as it's Hell where the fallen angels are. Not heaven, so that's where all their worshippers go.

Hmm. You know, someone much smarter and learned than I could probably do a good job of tying Greek mythology into Christianity. The Greek gods being, in fact, fallen angels. And the ancient greek heroes being Nephilim. Eh, I doubt it's the case at all. But if someone felt inclined to write a fictional story or book on that foundation it would probably make at the very least interesting reading.