Pipe Dreams: The origin of the "bombing Afghanistan for oil pipelines" theory (Lefties Proved Liars)

Slate ^ | December 6, 2001 | Seth Stevenson

[It'salmosttolate]

Take the links I put up in the previous reply before you start throwing tin foil around. I'll respect you more if you read them and then point out where they are wrong.

You can even copy them into this thd (that will prove you at least went to the site.)

[It'salmosttolate]

Prove to me you went to the sites (links) in REPLY #9.

[Hoplite]

What for?

You posted a map, and I checked it to see if it was from a reputable source.

End of story.

[sanchmo]

I read them last week.
They prove the following:

1. Some energy execs complained to Congress about not being able to build a pipeline through Afghanistan because they're all whacked in the head over there.
2. The US had drawn up plans before 9/11 to attack the Taliban.
3. A Pakistani official old the BBC in late Sept that the US and others already wanted to invade Afghanistan.
4. You posted pipeline maps from proparaniod.com, which highlights:
   URGENT DISCOVERY - P R I O R K N O W L E D G E of 9 - 1 1: Foreign Press Reveals Collin Powel Negotiated Afghanistan War Months Before Suicide Air Attacks: NEW!Smoking Gun - Osama bin Laden in American Hospital visited by CIA just weeks before attack! Motive is Oil Profits for Multinational War Partners May be tied to OKC blast and Operation Northwoods. CIA proprietaries in Oil Industry merge with Kuwaiti firms, may profit from war CIA has been similarly investing in energy for ten years

Yawn...

[It'salmosttolate]

Thanks for the summary. You did a good job.

Does the "Yawn" mean you are still asleep or is it just sarcasum(sp?)?

[DrLiberty]

Other wars fought this century over oil:

World War I, World War II, Vietnam, Gulf War

You're right, Im sure it's not only about the oil.

Its called Geopolitics, and power projection of influence.

Everything else is a cover story to motivate the foot soldiers and rally round the flag.

[Aurelius]

BUMP

[gnarledmaw]

"You even heard it during the Kosovo campaign..."

Then you must also remember that a few freepers in those days were saying that we were only in there to secure the area for a pipeline because the only other way to get the oil through would be to build the pipeline through Afghanistan.

[independentmind]

The California energy company Unocal seriously pursued building an Afghanistan pipeline in the 1990s, but back then the theorists, such as this Middle East specialist in 1998, argued that the West was propping up the Taliban in hopes that they would cooperate on building a pipeline.

I think there is a good chance that the above statement is true. Commercial interests, and the pressure that they may have exerted on some politicians, may, in fact, have led the U.S. to misread the situation in Afghanistan.

This however, does not lead to the conclusion that we are currently bombing Afghanistan to build a pipeline. Nothing in the article above disproves that the U.S. may have been seeking to prop up the Taliban, either.

[TheHeterodoxConservative]

Well, you got the BBC one wrong:

"five months since BBC heard about the planned invasion of Afghanistan,"

Nope. A Pakistani official claimed (in September, after the WTC bombing) that he was told in July (5 months ago) that the US planned to invade Afghanistan -- so the BBC didn't hear about it 5 months ago, but only after 9-11.

And, funny, but it was supposedly about handing over bin Laden even then. Guess we knew he was a bad guy, even before 9-11 (might have had something to do with his blowing up two of our embassies and one of our Navy ships -- I don't think the Bush team was as willing to let bin Laden continue his terrorist ways as the Clinton team was.)

[big gray tabby]

You claimed last week that this pieline was open. You even posted a link. When it was pointed out that the pipelines in the story were 2,000 miles away from Afghanistan, you ignored it.

Why are you sending folks on errands again? Aren't you embarassed enough?

[TheHeterodoxConservative]

Well, I've checked two and you're 0 for 2:

"ten months since Jane's Defense got word of the planned invasion of Afghanistan, "

This link says nothing about a planned invasion of Afghanistan, just that India, Russia, the US and Iran were covertly supporting the Northern Alliance as part of anti-terror (not oil pipeline) initiatives.

[medved]

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[Senator Pardek]

Excellent post.

There's a million valid reasons to be against our "incursion" there, but some lefties (and folks at this site, like the Cooperites) are quite lazy when it comes to reasoning, so a bogeyman must be created to front for their emotions.

[gnarledmaw]

I would have to vote for jumping. Its an important part of being a liberal. Besides jumping to the next erroneous assertion, there are many jumping related activities that liberals engage in like jumping on interns. Jumping on the bandwagon is an old favorite of those with no principle. Dont forget jumping at an opportunity to curtail rights or jumping at a chance to raise taxes...

[Abn1508]

Nope. It's the Gnomes of Zurich. _They_ run the world.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

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