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To: Publius
I am an opponent of trains in most cases. Cities like NY, SF, Boston, DC, LA and other LARGE (millions of residents) need trains. Small cities and suburbs do NOT need trains of any shape or form.

Here in Raleigh NC they are pushing hard for a light rail system. It is going to be nothing more than a Billion dollar plus boondoggle.

The Triangle Transit Authority (TTA), which operates the bus system in the area has ZERO riders. Well not zero, but on some of their routes they average .9 riders per trip! Of the entire bus system, the average ridership is close to 9 people per route. 9 people are using the bus and they want to spend a billion dollars on a train! And that rider number may be high. Also, i see the Amtrack train going through Durham twice a day. I count the riders. Avg... 5! There are more cars on the train than there are riders!

Oh, and if a developer attempts to build a highrise, high density building and development, they put up roadblocks and stop him from doing it. Without high rise and high density TRAINS ARE USELESS AND A WASTE OF MONEY!

Hey train lovers, how about this... PAY FOR IT YOURSELF! Meaning, tickets to ride should cost what it costs to ride. NO TAX PAYER SUBSIDIES. PAY THE FULL FARE!

8 posted on 12/20/2001 9:02:24 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
"Hey train lovers, how about this... PAY FOR IT YOURSELF! Meaning, tickets to ride should cost what it costs to ride. NO TAX PAYER SUBSIDIES. PAY THE FULL FARE!

You mean like you Road Lovers paid for the Interstate Highway system yourselves?

12 posted on 12/20/2001 9:09:05 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: Phantom Lord
Small cities and suburbs need rail to get people into the big cities. That's what commuter rail is for.

I'm not going to get into a discussion of whether light rail will work for Raleigh because I've never been there and don't know anything about the city.

But if you were to shut down TTA and require those bus riders to drive, you'd have major congestion, maybe even gridlock. In a city, where the principles of high density living and high density working rule, high density transportation is a must.

13 posted on 12/20/2001 9:10:58 AM PST by Publius
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To: Phantom Lord
Small cities and suburbs do NOT need trains of any shape or form.

I live in a "bedroom community" about 30 miles from Indianapolis. Of the 40,000 or so people who live here, it's estimated that about 10% of them work in Indianapolis and probably most of them drive to work alone or with one other person.

So do we need light rail? No, we don't need it, but what makes more sense -- 3000 automobiles or, say, 50 train cars? Anyone who drives that route on a daily basis -- including my wife -- would tell you in the most graphic terms imaginable just how badly some alternative is needed.

29 posted on 12/20/2001 9:29:53 AM PST by Black Cat
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