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Texas2step's Lord of the Rings Movie Experience
me | 12/22/01 | Texas2step

Posted on 12/22/2001 5:46:05 PM PST by Texas2step

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To: GretchenEE
Hi Gretchen. It's really not so much gore, but the orcs and Urik-Hai are gruesomely ugly. There are some rather frightening scenes. My wife is not generally one for gruesome/gory, and she only hid her eyes for small stretches every now and then.
41 posted on 12/22/2001 9:38:30 PM PST by Texas2step
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To: Wordsmith
Jackson executed a VERY Christian conception of the nature of evil

Being a hollywood movie, I really expected any Christian allegories to be glossed over or partially hidden. Instead of diminishing any allegories, Jackson really enhanced them. The one thing that stood out to my wife (who, again, has not read the books) was the transformation that came over various characters when "tempted" by the ring - Gandalf near the beginning, Bilbo in Rivendell, Galadriel in Loth-Lorien, and Boromir. That "flash" and struggle is our sin nature. We want fleshly power. Only Frodo seemed mainly immune to the rings sway, but not completely.

Then there's Gollum's absolute obsession with the Ring. That he'd go to any lengths to obtain it, and any depths to "protect his precious". How sin corrupts us and turns us into something hideous and ugly.

And we could go on and on. To me, the Christian allegories are as strong, if not stronger, than the actual words in Tolkien's book. Part of this is just the visual demonstration of the rings effect.

I cannot wait to see it again and share this experience with my daughter.

42 posted on 12/22/2001 9:46:24 PM PST by Texas2step
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To: Texas2step
Actually, in the book, when Sam looks in the mirror, he sees what could/may happen to the Shire.

I don't mean to be a Tolkien nerd, but I went back and checked the text and it's unclear at that point in the story whether the things have already happened to the Shire or not. Galadriel tells him that some of the things the mirror shows have not yet come to pass, but she doesn't definitively say that what he saw in the mirror hadn't already happened.
43 posted on 12/22/2001 10:52:37 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: Texas2step
"What you will see, if you leave the Mirror free to work, I cannot tell. For it shows things that were, and things that are, and things that yet may be. But which it is that he sees, even the wisest cannot always tell."

44 posted on 12/22/2001 11:04:10 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Tsk tsk, Doc! :^)


45 posted on 12/22/2001 11:13:30 PM PST by Argh
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To: Texas2step
Did they eliminate the pipe smoking?
46 posted on 12/22/2001 11:14:19 PM PST by Argh
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To: Argh
Nope, it's still there throughout the film :)
47 posted on 12/22/2001 11:19:08 PM PST by Skywalk
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To: Skywalk
Thank you.
48 posted on 12/22/2001 11:21:32 PM PST by Argh
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To: Texas2step
Great review. I saw FOTR with my dad who has read the books(as have I) and my brother who has not. We all really enjoyed it, and my brother had no trouble following the story.

I'm really glad to hear that the DVD will have an hour of extra footage. Maybe Jackson can sneak in all those little scenes that although they may not be necessary for the narrative still add a lot of flavor to the story. Namely more time in Lothlorien, the presentation of the weapons to the fellowship, more time wandering through the halls of Moria etc.

I loved the casting, John Rhys-Davies as Gimli is freakin' brilliant(though the script shortchanged his character). I knew the lack of a normal Hollywood ending was going to bother some people but maybe that lack of closure they feel will result in anticipation for the next installment. Can't wait to see more Gollum and can't wait to see the Ents marching on Isengard!

I guess the biggest compliment I can give the movie is that it has inspired me to reread LOTR for the first time in 15 years.

On a funny note: During that one scene where they are walking single file over a rocky hilltop the words from that stupid Burger King commercial popped into my head "They're not just to behold, they're to be held!" and I had to stifle a guffaw.

49 posted on 12/22/2001 11:23:11 PM PST by ICU812
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To: Texas2step
I didn't see any poor special effects. None. The balrog did not meet my expectations, however. I expected to be frightened.

That's the problem, though: it is very difficult for any special effect to live up to the subconscious fears built up in your memory from reading the actual text. Tolkien doesn't tell you a lot about what a Balrog looks like; the ambiguity is more frightening than seeing the actual thing.

To be really frightened, I would have to feel the blast of heat from the Balrog on my face, and feel the earth shake beneath my feet as it approached! The actor playing Gandalf made the scene work, though, by conveying with his face that he knows what is coming, and that even he, a powerful wizard, is afraid. It was definitely a case of good acting, and not just special effects, making the scene work.

As it was, I felt that Weta did an excellent job of rendering a Balrog: I believe the wings were there, but understated. Weta interpreted the cloud of darkness around the Balrog as a kind of ash- or soot- cloud which covers and obscures the Balrog, except when the Balrog bursts into flame. I especially liked their rendering of the Balrog's firey sword and firey whip.

I really liked the part where the Balrog is falling, Gandalf is turning away thinking he has triumphed, and we see the flaming whip from below in the darkness, slowly turning and curling around and about to snap and rise up.....it was perfect; even knowing what was about to happen, it felt perfect.

The scene right after this was perfect too, emotionally it felt true to how I remember when first reading that scene in the books (I'll try not to say any more, assuming there are some here planning on seeing the movie who have not read the books and do not know what happens on the bridge with the Balrog).

I have to say, as a lifelong LOTR reader and fan, I enjoyed the movie much more on the second viewing. On the first viewing, I was too distracted because I was noticing all of the changes which Peter Jackson had made. On second viewing, I could ignore this and just enjoy the movie as is. I expect it will get even better for me on the third viewing. Can't wait to see the Two Towers in December 2002!

50 posted on 12/23/2001 4:12:06 AM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
As a Star Wars fan, I cannot help but be embarrassed by Episode I, when comparing it to FOTR. I did like Phantom Menace, but if you want to start off a trilogy and have seamless CGI effects, evoke powerful emotions and excitement in your audience, you look at FOTR and Jackson, not Lucas.

I agree about the scene following the Balrog confrontation. It was heartbreaking, and hours after coming home, I was still thinking about it(helps to have the music.)

51 posted on 12/23/2001 4:29:02 AM PST by Skywalk
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To: Busywhiskers
The first is that the cave troll looked suspiciously like the rancor in "Return of the Jedi".

I thought they got Janet Reno to play the troll! :)

52 posted on 12/23/2001 5:24:36 AM PST by Overtaxed
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When do they get to Castle Greyskull? in the 2nd or 3rd movie?
53 posted on 12/23/2001 5:32:11 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: Busywhiskers
. The first is that the cave troll looked suspiciously like the rancor in "Return of the Jedi".

The orcs seem to have been ripped off from the swamp witch in "Legend"

54 posted on 12/23/2001 5:34:01 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: Texas2step
The movie did nothing for me. Just another garbage fanatasy movie. No Ben Hur that's for sure.
55 posted on 12/23/2001 5:45:20 AM PST by theoutsideman
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
On the first viewing, I was too distracted because I was noticing all of the changes which Peter Jackson had made.

That's what happened to me on first viewing too. I'm going to see it again this afternoon. I was going to wait and see it with my sister but...the Ring!...must...go...see movie.

56 posted on 12/23/2001 5:46:15 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Texas2step
I liked most of the LOTR's with these complaints:

1)Rivendell- where was everyone, don't elves live there? The place was depicted as a beautiful ghost town.

2)Council of Elrond- Major part of the first book that introduces all characters and informs reader of how all of Middle-Earth is under assault. Instead of having urgent reasons for consulting with Elrond, everyone just sort of shows up, as if for work.

The depiction of the battle of the Last Alliance where the Ring is taken from Sauron should have been saved for this part of the movie, instead of at the beginning.

3)The Ending- Aragorn says, "let's go hunt some orc".

Ahhh!!!!

57 posted on 12/23/2001 5:50:30 AM PST by CW_Conservative
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To: Texas2step
By the way, there's a National Geographic show about Tolkien and how he created Middle Earth, Lotr, Elvish language, etc. tonight (Sunday, Dec. 23) on MSNBC at 8:00 pm EST.
58 posted on 12/23/2001 5:51:45 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: theoutsideman
For some reason, after reading your post, I'm reminded of the Cave Troll. Hmmm...

Another garbage fantasy movie. Right. Even people who didn't enjoy it would hardly place it in the cellar with such stinkers as Dungeons and Dragons and Legend.

I don't care if someone doesn't like it, but then you bring in Ben Hur? Ben Hur was great, but I never cried or felt much in the way of strong emotions during that film.

59 posted on 12/23/2001 6:02:35 AM PST by Skywalk
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To: ICU812
I agree, can't wait for the ents! Thought before seeing FOTR that it would be hard to pull them off, now I have no doubts. Jackson set up the ent storyline perfectly by having the orcs destroying all the trees of Isengard featured so prominently.
60 posted on 12/23/2001 6:42:14 AM PST by Wordsmith
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