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Debate over licenses for illegal immigrants heats up - [Freep this poll!!]
Atlanta Constitution ^ | 12.22.2001 | Mark Bixler

Posted on 12/26/2001 12:35:57 PM PST by AgThorn

The debate over whether to grant driver's licenses to illegal immigrants has simmered for a few years, but it could heat up next month.

Proponents have 30,000 signatures, the attention of Gov. Roy Barnes and two champions in the state Legislature. Opponents plan an ad campaign and press conferences to protest possible changes during the legislative session that begins in January.

Both sides may confront questions raised by the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Authorities say some of the 19 hijackers improperly obtained driver's licenses and state IDs in Florida, Virginia and New Jersey and used them to open bank accounts, rent cars and apartments and more easily blend into the mainstream.

Georgia law says only U.S. citizens and people with permission to live here can get a driver's license. That leaves out a few hundred thousand illegal immigrants, mainly Latinos. They work in poultry plants, carpet mills, construction and other businesses. They drive every day but can't buy auto insurance because they can't get licenses.

Opponents worry that illegal immigrants could use a license to access government services to which they are not entitled. They say it makes no sense to officially recognize someone whose presence violates federal law.

Rep. Barbara Mobley (D-Decatur) has filed a bill to license illegal immigrants. She said she plans to revise it, maybe to create licenses that say something like "for driving only." The goal is to ease concerns that illegal immigrants would use a license to vote.

Mobley said she expects increased opposition because of the "greater scrutiny of immigrants" after Sept. 11.

"My concern was heightened because of the tone of the country and the tone of the state," she said.

Teodoro Maus, former Mexican consul general in Atlanta, led the licensing push for years. He said Mobley's bill "would have had a better chance" were it not for attacks in New York and Washington. He predicted the bill will go nowhere without "a tremendous amount of lobbying."

Gov. Roy Barnes said Sept. 20 that Georgia should grant some form of license to illegal immigrants, but a spokeswoman declined to say whether he supports Mobley's bill. Barnes has directed the Department of Motor Vehicle Safety to study the issue, and officials there said they are examining what other states are doing.

North Carolina licenses illegal immigrants on the theory that such immigrants drive anyway and need to learn the rules of the road and have auto insurance. The state tightened requirements after Sept. 11 to require applicants to show a Social Security number or taxpayer identification number. Illegal immigrants cannot get valid Social Security numbers, but they can get taxpayer ID numbers.

Authorities in Florida, Kentucky and New Jersey tightened license requirements for foreigners after Sept. 11. And a California plan to license some illegal immigrants who have applied for legal residency was delayed by a budget crunch and concerns that potential terrorists could get licenses.

South Carolina's attorney general recently asked U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft to require additional photo identification for airline passengers with licenses from North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee and Utah, states that license illegal immigrants. He said the license requirements in those states create "a large loophole for potential terrorists."

Phil Kent, president of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, said his public-interest law firm plans an ad campaign and press conferences next month to campaign against driver's licenses for Georgia's illegal immigrants. He said he has met with a few legislators and doubts Mobley's bill will pass.

Driver's licenses are the closest thing Americans have to a national ID card. They let people drive legally, of course, but also let people rent videos, board airplanes and cash pay checks. They can be offered, often with a fraudulent Social Security card, as evidence that someone is legally authorized to work.

"The driver's licenses are the keys to the kingdom," Kent said. "I don't want to reward lawbreaking."

Latino leaders say getting licenses for illegal immigrants is among their top priorities. A committee of community leaders has led a petition drive that has so far collected about 30,000 signatures and several letters. The Georgia Commission on Hispanic Affairs, newly created by the governor, decided at its first meeting to examine the driver's license issue.

One commission member, Rep. Mary Squires (D-Norcross), said she plans to introduce a bill that would let people drive with a valid license from a state that borders Georgia. It also would let people drive with a valid license from Canada and Mexico. Many people don't know it, but the Department of Motor Vehicles says people with a valid license from a foreign country already can drive legally for one year.

Squires plans to discuss her bill at a press conference at the state Capitol at 10 a.m. Jan. 8. Latino leaders will also present signatures and letters they have collected in support of a change. Squires said the state should acknowledge that illegal immigrants are important to the economy.


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To: Crabcake
Friend, I like the way you talk. Couldn't have said any better myself.
42 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:23 AM PST by american spirit
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To: AgThorn
Should driver's licenses be granted to illegal immigrants?
Yes 11% 781
No 89% 6329
Total Votes 7110
The liberal Atlanta Constitution may be unhappy with these results.
43 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:25 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Crabcake
Fidel Castro Ruz Says US Should Return Aztlan Back to Mexico

MEXICO CITY -- Cuban President Fidel Castro said that the United States should return to Mexico huge chunks of that country's territories it acquired more than a century ago.
In a fiery 90-minute speech, the Cuban leader claimed that the United States wrongly appropriated more than half of Mexico's territory, mostly through successive invasions.
These include Texas, California, Arizona, and New Mexico.

"Now, they are terrorized because Mexicans cross'' into what is properly their territory, Castro said.
He said that in effect, Mexicans are reconquering their own land.
Castro's comments were contained in a speech he gave at the close of an international congress of educators in Havana, the Cuban capital, including several hundred teachers from Mexico.
Excerpts were contained in a dispatches from Havana by the Mexican government news agency Notimex and other news sources, in Mexico City.

44 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:33 AM PST by philetus
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To: Joe Hadenuf
It's true. The government is bent on this nihlistic approach to law and justice. It is sad to see how our values of right and wrong have erroded. Don't they understand what " illegal " means? It is in concert with that issue of the murder rate in Chicago Numero uno. The ultra liberal policies of the day seem to punish the good law abiding moral people. And these liberals tell us "they care".
47 posted on 12/30/2001 7:36:48 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: Joe Hadenuf
It's true. The government is bent on this nihlistic approach to law and justice. It is sad to see how our values of right and wrong have erroded. Don't they understand what " illegal " means? It is in concert with that issue of the murder rate in Chicago Numero uno. The ultra liberal policies of the day seem to punish the good law abiding moral people. And these liberals tell us "they care".
48 posted on 12/30/2001 7:37:02 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: AgThorn
90% - NO!
50 posted on 12/30/2001 7:51:59 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: AgThorn
Mexcio pulling away from Latin America

"There is no question Mexico is moving northward," said Gray Newman, chief Latin America economist at Morgan Stanley in New York.

51 posted on 12/30/2001 7:52:30 AM PST by LLMiller
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To: wideawake
"IN ORDER TO GET ON A PLANE YOU HAVE TO SHOW PICTURE ID - USUALLY A DRIVER'S LICENSE. "

Then let them use their Mexican passport or Mexican ID. Illegals do not need to fly when they most likely walked or drove across the border. Let 'em walk back!

52 posted on 12/30/2001 7:53:07 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Crabcake
"Illegals don't need driver's licenses. They need to be rounded up and repatriated."

Short, sweet and to the point. Well said!

(The poll still shows 90% saying "No".)

53 posted on 12/30/2001 7:59:42 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: All
Wow.

Just... wow.

Drags up a 20 month old thread and goes ballistic defending the rights of non-citizens to citizen's rights.

Uses the "racist" bit. There's a shock.

Thinks that we the people should be grateful to those who blatantly violated our laws in order to live in the society we built.

Doesn't think for a moment that if illegal immigration was reduced, the number of legal immigrants allowed to enter the country could be increased.

Ignores how many illegal aliens take advantage of health care, education and other benefits that they paid no taxes for. Probably thinks we should pay more, actually.

If the government is hiring illegal aliens to pave our roads, I have an issue with that. Please let me know where you've seen the government hiring illegal aliens, I'd like to lodge a protest.

Lastly and most importantly, I noted no rage or calls of "Racist!" aimed at Democrats when they blacklisted Linda Chavez in 2000 from becoming Secretary of Labor because she once hired an illegal alien and treated her quite well.

Qwinn
Child of Legal Immigrants
55 posted on 10/21/2003 1:15:56 AM PDT by Qwinn
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To: AgThorn
The absolute worst thing this kind of thing does is engender a profound disdain for the law - among the people these pompous pinheads can't do without. Because when the capable and productive say "Hey, screw this law-abiding crap - I'm gonna cut in line just like everybody else", then the center will not hold. And both parties are stampeding and elbowing each other to open the door for these illegals. Disgusting. Just absolutely disgusting.
56 posted on 10/21/2003 1:22:28 AM PDT by ctonious (Liberals look at issues strictly as Bush-bashing mechanisms.)
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To: Deep_6
uuhhmmm... lesseee...

People are in this country illegally and we have no way of knowing who they are or where they live....... they refuse to become "legal" citizens [or "legal" immigrants for that matter]....

And a "license to drive a car" will give us the info we could use...

Yeah... you far right wingies are right... it ain't a good idea.


Here we have anothere left brain thinking rationale for why we need illegal licenses, so we can know that they are illegal!!!! Uh huh ... I'm sure that's just what this is intended for, and let's use the only form of national ID we have to accomplish something that is easily down 100 other ways.

Your profile says you've been on line since '99 but you sure write like a newbee troll with this evident "deep thinking".

57 posted on 10/22/2003 7:38:30 PM PDT by AgThorn (Go go Bush!!)
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To: AgThorn
Re: "..you sure write like a newbee troll.."

Actually, I agree that anyone here illegally should
be sent back to their home country (if failing a 
at gaining any chance for political asylum here).

However... The cheap labor crossing the border
is of help to our economy. It's the extreme liberal
states that are causing the problem by granting
illegal aliens the privileges of our social assistance
network (schools, health care, compensation, etc).
That's an aberration of the intent of this nation's
founders; to provide necessary assistance where
needed, to the citizens and all those on our soil,
equally.

There is no "equal" to being a citizen of this fine
Nation. Those of us who are [citizens], can not
[Constitutionally] have our rights undermined by
others, especially by those who are not [citizens].

Does handing a driver's license to a non-citizen
impair your rights? No. Not as long as all the
license can be used for, is driving an automobile.

States that allow a driver's license to become
a standard or test to prove one's qualification to
all this Nation's Constitutionally protected rights
and government services, is doing so in an
unconstitutional manner.

The issue should not be "the issuing of a document
providing the right to drive legally". The issue should
be what that document is providing access to, that is
not within the scope of the intent of it's issuing.

A license to drive should not allow access to vote;
access to tax paid schools/schooling; access to tax paid
health care; access to any/all taxpayer provided services.

That's the issue. If it isn't, it should be.

 

58 posted on 10/23/2003 9:15:23 PM PDT by Deep_6
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To: AgThorn
Why people do not want to give driver's license to illegal immigrants? according to History, the white race belongs to the old world( who came to KILL the Natives, invade, take over their land) not to the Americas. Illegal immigrants are what keep the U.S. wealthy. They work hard to earn their money. they are exploited and mistreated. One must put his/her feet in those people's shoes to see what it feels to be them!
59 posted on 08/15/2004 7:21:46 AM PDT by OutLaw81
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