BUCHANAN DECLARES: DEATH OF THE WEST

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[DoughtyOne]

Are you baiting me? Grin...

Thanks.

[steve-b]

You think consumer capitalism is the friend of conservatism.

Yes, and I also think that the sun rises in the east, that Bill Clinton is a criminal, that humans require water and oxygen to exist, etc.

[SQUID]

I think Pat has guts and guts are what makes great things happen. With out guts Normandy would have been called Normansi, Alexander the Great would have been Alexander the Gump, and JFK would have allowed Cuba to take shots at the US with it's shiney new missles. Question is, what's the impact? I think, in this case, it's good. We must, indeed, open our eyes to the bigger picture. We must look farther then the end of our driveways and back yards. There are forces that have declared war on family, responsibility, decency, humility, and respect and we must fight to keep these principals alive and not worry about Political Correctness. PC-not equal to-Freedom of speech.
Additionally, religion is always a taboo topic to discuss but, it is, however, one of the major identifiers for a people of a particular region in most of the world. If there is any form of threat to a region identified by such religions then religion is what unifies a people against or for a cause. Israel, Kosovo, Chechnya, Sudan you name it..
With Neo-Communism/Liberism I believe there are also such idiologies that say Nationality is bad just as religion is bad. If they, typically the Liberals, can liquidate the whole idea of nation state and religious fervor then maybe the world would be a better place. After all it's been the liberal mentality that religion causes war just as nationalism does. It's for peace, or is it?
The fact is, you may have peaceful intent but, Mr. Mideast may not. There is no doubt in my mind that groups beyond Bin Laden believe to be the NEO-Ottoman generation that have a dream of reestablishing the once glorious Ottoman empire under the guise of democracy and regional majority. There is a very simple way to dominate a region without firing a single shot. Numbers!
You see it in areas like Kosovo. Which was once mostly owned primarily by the Orthodox churches well before communism forced it's way in. After communism stripped away the Church's rights to property Ottoman Islamic factions saw that as an opportunity to reestablish the old Turkish boundaries. We helped! After forcing Orthodox people out by intimidation and the like the Islamic people declared independence. Again we helped! Has the Othodox Church received any cosideration? Nope. The communist policy was honored. That's where democracy tends to be misinterpreted. Just because you are the majority on a particular place doesn't mean it's all yours.
We must stop supporting these false representations of democracy in the world. We must not support groups like the KLA, Northern Alliance, etc etc because they are NOT fit to enforce rule of law, equality, and the principals of brotherhood. We should fight the assault on family, God, and decency, because even an Atheist enjoys and benefits from the enalienable rights endowed by his creator whether he likes it or not.

[WRhine]

The dude was a stain. His stuff read like a liberal's charicature of what a conservative is like, replete with bigotry and vitriol. I am surprised that it took Jim that long- then again it was early out on the west coast.

Great. Here we are being invaded by a 3rd world nation on our southern border resulting in the wholesale takeover of large regions of this country by a backward culture and much of the straight talk about why this is a crisis of epic proportions is subject to censorship. Can't do that because the liberals might beat us up! As if they wouldn't anyway if even the slightest immigration reform measures were debated.

The trends of our out of control immigration are clear. It will ultimately result in a balkanized America with no universal language or culture and assure the democrats, and all the socialism and racial strife they represent, a virtual lock on all 3 branches of government. Yet it is WE Americans who have to be careful not express any absolute disgust with the situation.

And never mind that racism runs rampant and deep within the Mexican community with many of their political leaders talking openly about conquering CA, NM, AZ and TX. I guess it's OK to have such ideas and to expound upon them on FR just don’t get emotional if you have a problem with this.

My experience suggests that until a problem really angers people nothing will get done. If you think that our immigration problem is going to be solved by gentlemanly discussions with the party of the left you are deluded. It is going to take people saying enough is enough and here’s why.

I have to say that I am surprised that censorship on FR has now become no different than any other media forum in that it is a one-way street. One can say whatever they please about any European ethnic group but of course the reverse is politically incorrect and such views must be silenced. It’s like we are sheep headed for the slaughterhouse.

[Hugh Akston]

I repeat my question- if there is the rampant censorship you claim, how are you still here?

[WRhine]

I repeat my question- if there is the rampant censorship you claim, how are you still here?

Because I choose to write posts that aren't likely to give cause for the moderators to pull. That's my choice. One that works for me but perhaps not for others. And these days I too often wonder if some of my posts will ever have more than a 5-minute life. Let me assure you, in less than a year, the way things are going on FR, I expect that many of my posts will suffer the fate that more and more Freepers are experiencing as censorship widens in scope on this forum.

[Hugh Akston]

So what you are saying is that you can discuss the issues of immigration, and of cultural problems resulting from immigration problems, without making racist posts. Because you just did.

Or are you saying that the moderator did not see it? Why not hit abuse and test it out?

[headsonpikes]

Pardon me for intruding on this whine-fest.

I've made thousands of posts, at least some portion of them provocative and/or radical; only one has been removed, to the best of my knowledge, and that one was personally insulting to another FReeper.(blush)

It seems to me that many posters are unable to post strong positions without becoming defensively vehement. These vehement,'in-your-face' posts often elicit mad responses and threats to complain of abuse. Little wonder.

Let's face facts: few of us are important enough to be worth persecuting; none of us are likely to be arrested or beaten for what we post here.

Get over yourselves, whingers!

[WRhine]

So what you are saying is that you can discuss the issues of immigration, and of cultural problems resulting from immigration problems, without making racist posts. Because you just did. Or are you saying that the moderator did not see it? Why not hit abuse and test it out?

Because unlike you, I am not a crybaby. I have never hit the abuse button for as long as I have been a member on this forum (just ask the moderators)...even when other posters were directing their brand of racism against others including myself. I just happen to enjoy the free flow of ideas even if the conservation becomes racially charged, as long as racial slurs or overt threats are absent. And to me making references to skin color is not a racial slur.

Oh and where were the "racist" comments in my last post? Was it daring to say that Mexico has a backward culture? Or that if illegal immigration is not halted America will become Balkanized? Or that many Mexican immigrants here have nothing but contempt for the American way of life and have different ideas about the sovereignty of states such as CA? How terrible! I need to be silenced.

[WRhine]

Pardon me for intruding on this whine-fest.

Thanks for smearing my name. It says a lot about you and where you are coming from.

[headsonpikes]

Change your handle to RWhine; it will avoid confusion. ;^)

[WRhine]

Change your handle to RWhine; it will avoid confusion. ;^)

What a comedian. Where did you get such talent? Don't worry, I can deal with low brow insults from characters like you without getting all bent out of shape.

[MARTIAL MONK]

They had actually put weapons & amunition at critical points through-out the Rocky Mountains, at key passes where they hoped to stop the Imperial Japanese Army.

Can you give me some more information on this or a source?

It is my understanding that with the Pacific Fleet decimated our plans were to cede the beaches, bloody the Japanese in the inland valleys and hold them at the three great passes of the Sierra Nevada until we could marshall enough force for a drive from the south.

The most aggressive Japanese plans of which I am aware had them taking the port cities, rolling to the western slope of the Nevadas and forcing the United States to sue for peace.

If the Rocky Mountain passes were fortified that means a Japanese breakthrough was anticipated and we were one step from complete surrender. I don't think that it was ever contemplated by either side. I do not see any advantage from a Japanese point of view for a war of maneuver on the high plains. If what you say is correct it adds a complete new dimension to my understanding of the war plans.

[Hugh Akston]

Oh and where were the "racist" comments in my last post?

Your reading comprehension is not very good.

I said it was possible to discuss these things without being racist. I said you just had.

I then challenged you to hit abuse and bring your comment to the moderator's attention. You see, if it stays up, it blows to hell your argument that they are censoring people who want to discuss these issues.

[WRhine]

Which was beside the point...your fellow boy in the (white) hood insisted that Western civ wasn't open to new ideas from outside the West during the Renaissance. He was wrong.

Don't put words in my mouth. I said nothing of the kind. As usual, you mix apple and oranges. I did say:

"Most of the intermingling of peoples in Europe during that time was with other western civilizations."

That is completely true. Please focus on the word "most" also please note that I said nothing about Europe being closed to "new ideas". I should have figured that by conceding a minor side point you raised that you would extrapolate it illogically in a feeble attempt to prove your erroneous larger point. BTW, that race card of yours must be getting awfully tattered by now.

[WRhine]

Your reading comprehension is not very good.

Well on that post it certainly wasn't. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Hugh Akston]

Just on this thread, theoldright, teenager, and nomasmojarras and N.B.Forrest have been deleted and their comments erased from memory, and that's just the ones I know of.

I thought you just said you have their replies right in front of you?

If you do, then why would you say "that's just the ones I know of"?

And Jim, why do you let people who clearly want to discredit you to use your forum to do so?

[Jim Robinson]

Their posts were in violation of the no racism policy. Several of those who were booted yesterday have been booted many times, always for the same violations. If "keep U.S. Sovereign" wants to read their crap, he can always find it over on SamFrancis.net. I do not want it here. Thanks, Jim