The Myth of 'Limited Government'

Well, I'm certainly not arguing that it would have been good thing for WJB to have won at the polls. In fact, my point was that he was the man who betrayed the principles of the Democratic party. It used to be the party which protected the common man from exploitation by big business. Under WJB, it became the party through which the common man exploited big business. Ever since, both parties have been about exploitation.

OTOH, I have little respect for Big Stick Roosevelt either. Since 1896, we have largely been offered a choice between war mongers and welfare mongers. With the result, over time, that we slowly have gotten more of both. By now, we get more socialism and more war no matter which bunch of scoundrels we elect.

Daniel Webster's words point out precisely what I was saying about the Republican party - the party of high tariffs and support for big business. Under Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt, they became the part of war, as well.

It may be true that I exaggerated the role of Wilson in all these developments, especially the amendments to the Constitution. The point is that they were inevitable once the Democrats sold out.

And, of course, the 20th amendment was inconsequential. What's more it wasn't even from the Progressive Era. My inclusion of it was a typo.

You just don't get it, do you? You still hold this fantasy that you pay taxes. You're the only bureaucrat I've ever met who was actually stupid enough to fail to understand that obvious fact. You have to point it out to them, of course. But they get it.

And you expect me to think that you are worth the money you extort from the rest of us. Hah!

Where to start? Who in Congress has been proposing higher tariffs: Democrats. Our entry into World War I was under Wilson; WWII: after two FDR terms; Korea: after five or six years of Truman; Viet Nam: Ike sent advisers, but it was JFK who sent troops and LBJ who magnified our involvement exponentially. Are you against Reagan's incursion into Granada, the Gulf War, and the current efforts against terrorism?

Your Reply No. 344 lacks substance for a response. The only fantasy world in operation here is the one in which you claim federal workers don't pay taxes. My pay stub proves it, and I'm not extorting money from others. Get over the BS if you can.

Just wanted to say hello to a couple of my favorite freepers (one for each side of the debating table). I don't have as much time for this as I used to, but I am taking the time to read your discussion and finding it really enjoyable. Regards to both of you gentlemen,

Huck

Who in Congress has been proposing higher tariffs: Democrats

Did you not get the point that we were talking about what happened to the Democratic party 1896? In the 19th century, tariffs were to protect industries. The ordinary farmer paid them. Today democrats want tariffs to protect big labor. It's still about the ordinary joe but in 1896, it got perverted from portection to exploitation.

As to your brain-damaged notion that you pay taxes. Look, let's say you net $50,000. That is fifty grand which has been taken from the productive economy to support you playing your little war games. It makes no difference how much your gross is. That's just the government giving with one hand and taking with the other. What difference does it make whether they write $50,005 or $5,050,000? It's not even real money, just paper shuffling. Which, of course, is the only thing bureaucrats know how to do.

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