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To black conservatives: What contributed to you becoming a conservative. VANITY
my pea-brain | me

Posted on 01/05/2002 5:24:58 AM PST by Check_Your_Premises

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To: Ligeia
One can trace today’s relationship of blacks to the Democrat party and liberal agenda back to the ‘60s, as was mentioned in the initial post. It occurs to me that any quick review of social problems and their associated statistics, such as violent crime rates, drug use, illegitimate birth, illiteracy rates, and other factors, compared with those same categories from a date in the early ‘60s would reveal a social disaster. Blacks are the only ethnic group which can be said to be over 90% democrat (voting statistics), and thereby legitimately assumed to be supportive of the liberal agenda--if you vote for “it,” it thereby becomes difficult to say you don’t support “it“. So, as a group, if you look at the above mentioned factors, you’ll find that violent crime is not committed at a per capita rate that is now about four times the rate we found in the early ‘60s, when blacks appeared to be of a more conservative mind. Illegitimate birth among blacks has roughly tripled since then. Drug use has shot up dramatically. And as for literacy and scholastic achievement, blacks have never been worse off than they are, today. Similar conclusions can be gleaned in other categories. But, the point is this: once blacks got on board the liberal political “wagon,” they’ve progressively torn the fabric of the culture apart. The old question we recall from presidential politics is, “Are you better off, today?”. And, the answer for the black community as a whole is a resounding NO! For many blacks, getting them to admit that their association with the Democrat party is self-destructive is virtually akin to asking them to admit they squandered their future, and their children’s future in exchange for handouts. They know why they jumped on the Democrat wagon, but the can’t admit the damage that their desire for a transfer of wealth has brought upon them. Its like a Clinton supporter admitting that their vote for Bill and Hillary contributed to the smoking hold and 3,000 dead in Manhattan. It’s easier to deny and pretend that their decision didn’t have anything to do with it than look in the mirror and admit that their selfishness and arrogance has done such damage.
21 posted on 01/05/2002 7:37:27 AM PST by RavenATB
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To: Check_Your_Premises


22 posted on 01/05/2002 7:38:55 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
Nice post. And, I believe, exactly what Check_Your_Premises was getting at.
23 posted on 01/05/2002 7:44:33 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: rdb3
Great post! Thanks!
24 posted on 01/05/2002 7:53:52 AM PST by merry10
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To: Gumlegs
Nice post. And, I believe, exactly what Check_Your_Premises was getting at.
Thanks. I thought it was appropriate for this thread. . .
25 posted on 01/05/2002 8:03:07 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
That cartoon you posted sums up the changes in the Civil Rights movement. Jesse Jackson should have never been the one to take the place of Martin Luther King.
26 posted on 01/05/2002 8:03:38 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Jesse Jackson should have never been the one to take the place of Martin Luther King.

I agree. But I would also say to you that I believe that no one should have taken King's place. The struggle was won. Everything "gained" by this so-called movement after King's death was full-strength Marxism.

27 posted on 01/05/2002 8:13:06 AM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
I used to watch the Tony Brown show when it was on here, I'm not black though, but I can see where some discussion of Black History and Civil Rights is good. Tony Brown always seemed to focus on self-help --and as a journalist he's very good ---he doesn't let his bias show like the regular media journalists.
28 posted on 01/05/2002 8:33:36 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Check_Your_Premises
BTTT Great read, thanks for posting this very interesting article.
29 posted on 01/05/2002 8:48:15 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: Check_Your_Premises
Sierra Times' J.J. Johnson is one of the most thoughtful and intelligent voices I have encountered on the topic of black conservativism. Here is one example that says a lot about the left wing characterization of blacks. For other writings by J.J. Johnson visit:

J.J. Johson Articles

I have been trying to post an article here that was written by him but keep getting an error that the page cannot be displayed. It will accept the first few paragraphs but not the rest. I have seen some quite long replies on this forum and do not understand why there is a problem. Can anybody help me out with this? I will go ahead and post what I can but may have to use 2 posts to do it.

I Don't Want To Be Black Anymore

Its not working, folks. I have tried to do everything I can to be the African-American I’m supposed to be, but I just cannot continue. I am hereby resigning myself from the Black Race. And before I get death threats from my black brethren out there, hear me out…

I have almost made it through another Black history month, in which I’m supposed to do all I can to insult white people for 28 days. I guess I should even say the Black History month is a racial conspiracy by white people since they only gave us 28 (or 29) days to rip their dignity to shreds, while the other months have 30 or 31 days. Guess it’s just another example of the black man not getting his fare share. Frankly, many of my black brothas and sistas’ are starting to…well... embarrass me. Can I turn on the television and not hear some black liberal puke complaining about something?

I’ll start there - television. First we had the NAACP (Notorious African American Communist Pigs) lambasting Hollywood for not having enough blacks in front of (or behind) the cameras. “We don’t see enough black folk on TV.” An economic boycott is threatened, the ugly “R” word is used, and Hollywood (you know, those rich white guys) capitulate. Did anyone ask were the accusations true? And if so, who really cares? Whenever I turn my television to watch my favorite programs, I see plenty of very wealthy and successful black men in their tradecraft. But I guess the NFL, the NBA, and Major League Baseball doesn’t count. It must be just me. Guess the "quota kings and queens" don’t count those folks. Then another “study” comes out. This one says, “While blacks are over-represented on television, they are still given only minor roles, or are on screen for less than 5 seconds at a time.” And, of course, this too is unfair.

The easy defense against this eternal whining was for anyone to just mention three letters: B.E.T That’s right, Black Entertainment Television, where you can get all the blackness you want, 24/7 with all those black folks in front of (and behind) all those cameras. Gee, only about 60 million cable viewers can see that. Guess it’s just me. Maybe Momma didn’t raise me right.

Now we have that flag issue in Dixie. Most folks thought if they just took down that flag, all this controversy would just go away. After all, it’s a horrible reminder of slavery. Strange, I can’t find a black person in this country who can remember being a slave. I also can’t find one white person in the country who will admit to owning slaves. In fact, most of the whites in this country (according to my investigation) had ancestors who landed on these shores long after slavery ended in North America. And I can’t repeat what some of those Irish folks told me. But, for one month I’m supposed to hate the confederate flag. Not just waving over the South Carolina Statehouse, but on police cars in Mississippi, livestock shows in Houston, changing the names of bridges in Virginia, parks in Tennessee, defacing portraits of General Lee, and even have Rep. King (R-NY) demonize every southerner in the halls on Congress. I’m supposed to support and endorse all of this as a black man.

Yes, boycott South Carolina. Boycott the entire South until they get their “minds right.” This means, no blacks (like me) should do any business with the south period. So, to that black businessman in Memphis, sorry. Hope you can get some or those racist white folks to patronize your store. The NAACP says I can’t go there. About the family reunion this year in South Carolina - forget it. Nope, not me. Our un-elected Black leadership says we gotta boycott. Don’t worry, I’ll explain to that black soul food caterer in Columbia that the reason he’s losing so much business this year is because of a piece of cloth hanging over the capitol building. He’ll understand. And Florida, we’ll have to leave you out, too. You see, Governor Jeb Bush enacted a program called “One Florida” in which anyone who finishes in the top 20% of their class gets a scholarship to a public University in Florida. I can’t figure it out for the life of me, but according to my black leaders, that’s racist, too. The NAACP head (case) says we’ll boycott Florida until that’s changed.

By the way, isn’t it interesting that the same people who say we should boycott everything economically , are the same people who say blacks are economically deprived in this “white dominated” society? What they’re telling me is that black people are too stupid to make it into the top 20% of the graduating class, and that most black people are too stupid to see through their lies. And most of these leaders probably NEVER made it into the top 20% of anything. But they’re my leaders. Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, Bill Bradley and Al Gore say they are. Since they’re white, they must be right.

Even Secret Service is getting into the act. Some of these guys, even though they get to guard the President and the Vice President, say they haven’t got the promotions they deserve. Where’s the dignity? Guess those white Secret Service agents get to guard folks more important. Here’s a suggestion for the black secret service agents who guard those important white folks (from the south): Wanna become heroes and restore your dignity? Quit. That’ll teach ‘em.

As a black man, I should pin my hopes on making it rich, when the NAACP gets their “fair share” from suing all those guns dealers. After all it’s the gun dealer’s fault for all those black folks shooting black folks. Perhaps next year, they’ll be suing bedsheet makers, rope manufactures, and the South American drug cartel. I have asked my black leaders to sue the ATF, since the only product in America the “requires” you to list your race before purchasing is a firearm. They haven’t returned my call. But then again, the right to keep and bear arms isn’t listed under “civil rights” anyway, is it? It’s okay. We’ll just sue the gun maker instead. That’ll teach them to not sell guns to us black folks (so we can get gunned down for reaching for a wallet).

....to be continued.

30 posted on 01/05/2002 9:01:50 AM PST by sweetliberty
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To: Check_Your_Premises
....continued from post #30.

Yes, if we just sue a few more white folks, harass and slander the rest, one day - maybe one day--we won’t have to put a prefix in front of the word “American” anymore.

Well, I’m not waiting for that. I have done everything to try to advance the cause of personal freedom as a black man, and enjoy the liberty that my parents fought for, but it is just not working. These white people are just too smart for me. They made sure that I never had to wait at a Denny’s restaurant longer than anyone else does. Some of them hired me for simply having the brains to do the job. Some of them (the real sneaky ones) had the gaul to judge me by the content of my character, and not the color of my skin. They’ve paid me in dollars with white slaves owners' photos on them. And, damn them, they made me earn it first. They have allowed me to own my own business. They even went so far as to steal tax dollars from other white people to make sure I got an education - so I could like…make it in this world. What an evil plot. Since there is almost no reason to bitch about anything anymore, it must be… …Institutional racism.

I am through being used. I am fed up with trying to conform. This year, when I fill out my Census form, I will let them know that I quit. I wish to no longer be a black American. I want nothing to do with race baiting, whining, pandering for more tax dollars; family breakdowns, and the Al Sharptons of the world.

I don’t want to be black anymore. I am somebody, and I don’t need Jessie Jackson to tell me that. My father did.

I don’t want to be black anymore. I refuse to be used as a statistic to get more left-wing socialists into Congress.

I don’t want to be black anymore. There is no need to make me part of a “protected group” as the California Governor recently stated. I can protect myself, thank you.

I don’t want to be black anymore. Please do not feel sorry for me anymore, white folks. That liberal pity party really insults me, anyway.

I don’t want to be black anymore. You democrats don’t have to act like you like me. I know it’s an election year. I am tired of being the black “sheep” of the party. Leave me alone.

I don’t want to be black anymore. If it means disgracing my own heritage by insulting Southern history.

I don’t want to be black anymore. Since making the same statements Martin Luther King, Jr. made in 1963 are now considered racist and “insensitive.”

I don’t want to be black anymore. If it means more innocent white people are forced to go through “sensitivity training.”

I don’t want to be black anymore. If it means that everyone looses their freedom of speech, freedom to peaceably assemble, and their right to keep and bear arms.

I don’t want to be black anymore. If it means being a ward of the State, rather than a Child of God.

I’ll sign the papers, damit. I’ll file the lawsuit. I’ll start the boycott this time. I have every right. I am sick of these media selected black prostitutes making a mockery out of my country, everything America stands for, and given every one else a reason to hate me.

I quit.

I no longer want a prefix in from of my label. From this point forward, I J.J. Johnson, DEMAND that I am simply called… …American.

31 posted on 01/05/2002 9:04:16 AM PST by sweetliberty
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To: Gumlegs
Hey- wait a minute - it was even later that blacks became a Democratic sure thing. Eisenhower still managed to get more black votes than the Democrats (Granted- democrats in the south didn't let their blacks vote.) But even as late the Nixon/McGovern race- Nixon still managed to garner 40% of the black vote.
32 posted on 01/05/2002 9:08:57 AM PST by Burkeman1
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To: rdb3
Thanks for your perspective.
33 posted on 01/05/2002 9:15:14 AM PST by habs4ever
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To: Burkeman1
Good point. But I think the Great Depression started the process.
34 posted on 01/05/2002 9:21:18 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
Yes- you are right- til the GD blacks were a gop sure thing (though not to the extent that they are Democratic sure thing today.)
36 posted on 01/05/2002 9:30:09 AM PST by Burkeman1
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To: SpookBrat
And as for the self-hatred part, I can imagine no better example than the aforequoted JJ Johnson. Nuff said.
37 posted on 01/05/2002 9:35:30 AM PST by Tokhtamish
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To: Tokhtamish
So I take it that you think the Democrats have American blacks best interest in mind, right?
38 posted on 01/05/2002 9:37:10 AM PST by rdb3
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To: Tokhtamish
Colin Powell cannot be described as a Republican in honest circles. He shares almost nothing in common with Bush on Domestic policy at all. His only contribution seems to be that he is able to manage and direct people of differing opinions and is able to reach consensus. He is a pure product of the Beltway- whichever way the wind blows on the editorial pages of the NYT's is where Powell will be going. I think David Gergen was his teacher:)
39 posted on 01/05/2002 9:40:29 AM PST by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
If a pre-1980 Republican timewarped to the present, he would have no difficulty identifying Colin Powell (or Jeffords for that matter) as a Jacob Javits, Margaret Chase Smith, Nelson Rockefeller, George Bush Sr, Edward Brooks style Northeast Republican. It is only since the domination of the GOP by southern social issue types (who after all were New Deal Democrats a generation or two ago, which makes their setting litmus tests of Republican purity kinda peculiar) that people like the aforementioned could be practically run out of the GOP.
40 posted on 01/05/2002 10:30:39 AM PST by Tokhtamish
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