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1 posted on 01/07/2002 2:31:04 PM PST by dennisw
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Robert Kaplan also wrote this famous one!!
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4. The Coming Anarchy : Shattering the Dreams of the Post Cold War (Vintage)
by Robert D. Kaplan (Paperback - February 2001)
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2 posted on 01/07/2002 2:32:54 PM PST by dennisw
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He aligns himself with America's Founding Fathers, who, he says, believed good government emerged only from a "sly understanding of men's passions."

Where does one get an understanding of men's passions? It seems that the Judeo-Christian ethos correctly explains much of man's passions as having been wraught by the fall of man. True pagans seem to have an idealized (i.e., unrealistic) view of man. It was the concept that man is fallen, out for his own selfish gain, that prompted John Locke to theorize that men therefore entered into a "social compact" to assure that the most powerful didn't overwhelm the others. Plus, the Founders' understanding of man's tendency to use and abuse power (due to man's fallen nature) placed within our government checks and balances to protect against raw abuse of power.

The Judeo-Christian view of mankind -- potentially noble, but nevertheless fallen with a strong tendency toward outlaw behavior -- is the only realistic view of man.

3 posted on 01/07/2002 2:38:17 PM PST by My2Cents
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He sees the U.S. military as a model for the sort of multi-ethnic forces that can operate under a "loose world governance"

Well, if this is true, I am not buying this book.

4 posted on 01/07/2002 2:44:03 PM PST by razorback-bert
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Kaplan calls for a reestablishment of American (primarily) realpolitik, one distanced from Judeo-Christian (or private) virtue and closer to a "pagan" (public) one.

Huh? Since when was Christian virtue a private affair?

Mr. Kaplan also argues that Judeo-Christian beliefs in proper behavior are "personal virtues" that should not have a primary role in creating foreign policy.

Oh, yeah, since the secularists banned it from public policy discussion.

Both of the greatest pagan political theorists, Plato and Aristotle, were often read in medieval Christian circles. The latter was even called "the Philosopher." During the Renaissance, Christians became slavishly devoted to mimicking the ancients, which provoked a backlash called the Reformation. But to anybody who is a partisan of neither Reformation teaching nor of Classical learning, such a dualism is hardly helpful.

6 posted on 01/07/2002 2:46:31 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
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Hog wash. i saw this guy on FOX, he essentially claiming that our nation should have no morality in pursuing wars.

What made America what it is because it is fair, and moral nation.

8 posted on 01/07/2002 2:52:12 PM PST by philosofy123
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Time to dust off those old copies of Machiavelli folks.
11 posted on 01/07/2002 3:42:16 PM PST by DoctorMichael
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To: dennisw,prodigal daughter
This book takes on growing significance. It comes to mind this morning as we learn that Pearl is said to be dead. We have Pearl's kidnapper. The Pakis had his family in custody (but released them Monday, I believe.) Sheik, the perp, is supposedly cooperating to save his wife and children.

So Pearl's wife may learn on Valentine's Day that her husband was murdered.

My (vanity) thoughts this morning:

Sheik Whatshisname says that Pearl is dead. Just got up (earlier than usual) and heard it on Fox. I've said before that I don't think America has what it takes so survive this Muslim assault. We could do now what would assure there wouldn't be another Pearl kidnapping. We would do it by speaking to these people from the world-view that THEY have, NOT from the one that we (we civilized Godly people) have. IMHO, if we continue to view these people through the prism of Western civlization, they will win and win and win again. Mercy, justice, compassion, negoiation, compromise---these concepts do not exist in these people's minds. But we don't GET that.

If you remember, Khadafi was acting out at will in the late 70's and early 80's. Finally, RWR had enough and bombed the Libyan home of the man, killing his son. For the next decade the world didn't hear a peep from Khadafi.

It is so alien to us to think of adopting the very pagan tactics we despise, but it gets back to multi-culti communication: the ONLY thing these people get---it's not niceness and kindness and empathy and sympathy---it's brute, relentless, merciless, take-no-prisoners, scorched-earth, violence.

I'm certainly not the first person to recommend pagan tactics be used against the pagans. We know where the wife and kids of this "Sheik" are, for example. We must make these people fear us. Do the math.

16 posted on 02/14/2002 3:45:24 AM PST by gg188
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I'm guessing that you are an Amazon Affiliate, yes?
21 posted on 02/14/2002 7:19:33 AM PST by powderhorn
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