Posted on 01/10/2002 7:18:34 AM PST by JediGirl
The only thing that saddens me is that they almost never broach Kaluza-Klein or the effect of choice of coordinates in multiple dimensions.
And that, of course, changes everything.
Ever her of the inflationary theory?
We are not moving, the space between us and the distant galaxies is expanding.
The expansion of space is not limited to light speed.
So one day a couple of the universes bumped into each other, heat was created and that precipitated the hadrons.
We live in one of those infinite, ageless universes. We are adjacent to all the others as well.
There is no beginning beyond the creation. Everything we have observed is merely the operation of a very small part of it. At the moment we are basking in the light which was created AFTER the first creation.
In fact, the "stars" we see today were mostly all created long after the original creation of the very large hydrogen fusion reactions that created the heavier elements found in all of today's stars.
The various multi-verse theories only try to account for the way a particular universe came into being, not how it evolved.
I don’t think that I have heard of the particular theory that you describe:
The latest one has the multi-verse composed of an infinite number of infinite universes with 4 dimensions. They form the border of the 5th dimension, which is finite. The rest of the dimensions are "rolled up". They may provide the bounds for the hadrons (whenever they exist).
So one day a couple of the universes bumped into each other, heat was created and that precipitated the hadrons
The last theory I read up on suggested that our universe has 11 dimensions, with most of them “rolled up” so that we cannot see them. When a black hole forms in our universe, the 4 dimensions that we know just kinda roll up so that we can’t see them anymore. But nothing leaves our universe.
This one draws on string theory, but they article puts in a couple of reasons of exactly why the inflationary model is inadequate - this has to do with observations made recently. Remember, just one observation that doesn't match a model and you have to toss out the model!
I was writing you a reply when I decided to do some searches on the expansion rate of the universe. After reading what I found, I figured it is definitely too late at the moment for me to be thinking about such things. It's a great link though.
Space is a vacuum, right? Essentially a large void of nothing between the planets and galaxies. In empty space there is no gas, solid, or liquid. So, how can it be expanding? Gases expand with increased temperature or lower pressure. How can nothing expand?
This just seems to fly in the face of what we know about the physics of gases and vacuums.
Just listing you in the cast of characters most likely to show up on this thread...
Good to hear from ya =8^)
Ordinarily we don't notice this.
Yes...
However, that vacuum exists in a sea of forces.
Right...
They are there whether or not there is anything for them to act on.
Agreed...
Then there are virtual particles popping up all the time, and then disappearing.
Ordinarily we don't notice this.
Here's where you lose me. Where the heck does this info come from? What the heck are "virtual particles" and how do we know they pop up and disappear all the time? Are you implying spontaneous, rapid generation and disintigration of matter?
Sounds to me like something else physicists have pulled out of thin air (pun intended) in order to make their theories seem plausible.
I'm guessing that these "virtual particles" (read = particles that don't really exist, but we need them to make our theory work, much like the Oort cloud) are essential to the working of the theory, am I right?
After you explain all of this, please explain how it allows a vacuum to violate the rules of physics (i.e. how does nothing expand?).
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It is an unavoidable consequence of quantum field theory.
What the heck are "virtual particles"
Virtual particles are particles that are emitted by the vacuum and reabsorbed. This is permissible so long as the amount of energy "borrowed" is paid back in a time brief enough so that the energy times the time is less than Planck's constant over 2 pi. This is below the resolution of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, so it does not constitute a violation of any classical conservation law.
and how do we know they pop up and disappear all the time?
Because we can measure them. For example, we can see that virtual electrons and positrons are there, because the vacuum is electrically polarizable. Moreover, it's polarizable in a highly specific way, that has been experimentally confirmed to more than 10 decimal places.
Are you implying spontaneous, rapid generation and disintigration of matter?
Sounds to me like something else physicists have pulled out of thin air (pun intended) in order to make their theories seem plausible.
No, it's something their theories told them should be there, and which to their amazement their experiments confirmed.
I'm guessing that these "virtual particles" (read = particles that don't really exist, but we need them to make our theory work, much like the Oort cloud) are essential to the working of the theory, am I right?
I'm guessing by your tone that virtual particles constitute a threat to your Weltanschauung. No matter; the universe is the way it is, and not how any of us would wish it to be.
After you explain all of this, please explain how it allows a vacuum to violate the rules of physics (i.e. how does nothing expand?).
First of all, that's not a rule of physics, and second of all, the vacuum isn't "nothing". It's a tremendously complicated thing, actually.
The Oort cloud is real. :)
Physicist could answer this better than I, but I believe the answer is no. Energy must be conserved.
Isn't that what he was saying? <g>
Ah, now you sound like Governor Davis.
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