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To: medved
This is a big pile-o-puke. It is nothing but insults and innuendo thinly disguised as discussion. I'm sure, that, like on all previous threads, as you get logically battered and fried, you will disappear and start another thread. This is because you don't really WANT to talk about it. All your concerned with is spreading garbage and thinking your doing some good.

Like Carl Sagan said about the "theory of gravity" (That's right - it is also a THEORY). See, we have no idea WHY gravity works. We know it does (or else we would all be flying off the earth now from the rotational inertia). We haven't found a gravity wave, beam, or particle....but we still have gravity. In the same vein, we HAVE evolution. It happens all around you all the time. To deny it is to deny reality. It's obvious from your post that you know less than nothing about evolutionary throry....so, I'll give you the primer. It doesn't happen "because you want to fly - you evolve wings". Even a simpleton can do better than that. Here's 2 examples.

Example1: Mosquitos. Back in the 50's, we discovered DDT and began spraying mosquito infested areas with it. It was 99% effective. Several years later, the effectivity was down to about 50%. Why you ask? The mosquitos evolved. See the first applications killed 99% of the mosquitos in the area. The 1% that survived were naturally immune to it's effects - just by pure chance. Well, these 1% - being the only mosquitos left alive, mated and had little mosquitos. Since both parents were immune to DDT, the odds of the offspring being immune, due to genetics, was much higher. After several repeated sprayings, only the mosquitos capable of surviving DDT were left alive. The more they sprayed, the more immune the mosquitos became. They EVOLVED. Example2: is using anti-biotics. When pennecillin was discovered, it destoyed many, many bacteria. Today, it does not have the same effect for the same reasons I stated above. The bacteria that were immune to pennicillin survived and the ones that didn't - perished.

Now, to deny THIS reality is the mark of an idiot.

Now, if you want to argue Intelligent Design (which, given it's name is obviously way above you), you might be able to convince some that, even though evolution exists, it was caused by God. But, that argument requires considerable thought, knowledge, mathematics, ans skill.

66 posted on 01/10/2002 12:18:39 PM PST by KeepUSfree
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To: KeepUSfree
Example1: Mosquitos. Back in the 50's, we discovered DDT and began spraying mosquito infested areas with it. It was 99% effective. Several years later, the effectivity was down to about 50%. Why you ask? The mosquitos evolved. See the first applications killed 99% of the mosquitos in the area. The 1% that survived were naturally immune to it's effects - just by pure chance. Well, these 1% - being the only mosquitos left alive, mated and had little mosquitos. Since both parents were immune to DDT, the odds of the offspring being immune, due to genetics, was much higher. After several repeated sprayings, only the mosquitos capable of surviving DDT were left alive. The more they sprayed, the more immune the mosquitos became. They EVOLVED.

Example2: is using anti-biotics. When pennecillin was discovered, it destoyed many, many bacteria. Today, it does not have the same effect for the same reasons I stated above. The bacteria that were immune to pennicillin survived and the ones that didn't - perished.

Yes, we understand and accept this ... this is simple survival of the fittest.

The question is ... how does this help to explain the existence of the Bombadier Beetle?

68 posted on 01/10/2002 12:25:27 PM PST by Quester
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To: KeepUSfree
It is nothing but insults and innuendo thinly disguised as discussion.

HuH? All I saw were a bunch of facts together with a little humor and wit, pointing out the folly of believing in fairy tales.

71 posted on 01/10/2002 12:37:24 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: KeepUSfree
This is a big pile-o-puke. It is nothing but insults and innuendo thinly disguised as discussion.

Too many other people tell me they find the arguments compelling and persuasive for me to take your word on such a thing.

87 posted on 01/10/2002 1:10:40 PM PST by medved
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To: KeepUSfree
Example1: Mosquitos. Back in the 50's, we discovered DDT and began spraying mosquito infested areas with it. It was 99% effective. Several years later, the effectivity was down to about 50%. Why you ask? The mosquitos evolved. See the first applications killed 99% of the mosquitos in the area. The 1% that survived were naturally immune to it's effects - just by pure chance. Well, these 1% - being the only mosquitos left alive, mated and had little mosquitos. Since both parents were immune to DDT, the odds of the offspring being immune, due to genetics, was much higher. After several repeated sprayings, only the mosquitos capable of surviving DDT were left alive. The more they sprayed, the more immune the mosquitos became. They EVOLVED. Example2: is using anti-biotics. When pennecillin was discovered, it destoyed many, many bacteria. Today, it does not have the same effect for the same reasons I stated above. The bacteria that were immune to pennicillin survived and the ones that didn't - perished.

Both of these cases you gave ARE examples of evolution, but are NOT examples of Darwinian Evolution. The theory of evolution relates to the transmutation of species, i.e., like ocean life turning into land based life forms, which happened according to the theory of evolution.

The way that mosquitos or bacteria become immune to chemicals which used to be fatal are a result of losing the ability to metabolize the substance, through random mutations. If it's never ingested, it can't kill them. So, antibiotic resistance is an example of destructive evolution, and not an innovative, constructive process that creates complex systems.

Simply saying that random mutations can change an organism proves nothing. The creation of more complex organisms is adding new protein sequences to the DNA, and thereby adding something to an organism that it never had before. Losing a capability has nothing to do with Darwinian evolution.

No one denies that random mutations occur. That in itself is not evolution. The problems that exist for evolution theory are substantial. Intelligent Design theory is supported by many PHD's. Don't you think they're aware of something as obvious as bacteria becoming immune to antibiotics?

140 posted on 01/10/2002 8:37:59 PM PST by lasereye
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