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To: JMJ333
You are correct that the first commandment is "I am the Lord your God, you shall have no other Gods before me." The establishment clause in no way takes away from this commandment. It was simply put in place to prevent what happened in England from happening here. People being the falliable creatures we are, misuse religion in the name of power given half the chance. This doesn't negate the fact that our founding principles were based on the religion of love.

Since the first amendment and first commandment are not included in that foundation, what founding principles are based on the 'religion of love?' (Did any of the founding father really call it that?)

I say cultural paganism [as opposed to paganism] because of the lifestyle. When speaking on general terms, Paganism includes the worship of gods and goddesses. I am not referring to that. I'm referring to the fundemental differences between cultural chirstianity and cultural paganism. Christianity is based on concrete moral truths. Cultural paganism is based on feel-good relativism. For example, we can use homosexuality. See post 181.

So is 'Cultural paganism' the same as 'relativism?' Or is it just the opposite of 'cultural Christianity.' What's the difference between cultural Christianity and Judeo Christianity? Are you making up these terms?

Indeed, many were fundamentalist protestant. This does not change the foundation, as the two greatest commandments are the basis of Judeo-Christianity--Love of God and love of neighbor.

If those are the foundations of this nation why didn't the founders indicate it? I can find no reference to those commandments anywhere in the Constitution.

381 posted on 01/16/2002 7:45:33 AM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Looking for Diogenes
Since the first amendment and first commandment are not included in that foundation, what founding principles are based on the 'religion of love?' (Did any of the founding father really call it that?)

The term "religion of love" is mine. When I look at our constitution I see the principles set forth by a particular belief system. That belief system stemmed from Judeo-Christianity. You can also look at the paintings around Washington DC capitol to know what the founding fathers believed. Here is a painting in the capitol Rotunda depicting Washington being taken to heaven.

So is 'Cultural paganism' the same as 'relativism?' Or is it just the opposite of 'cultural Christianity.' What's the difference between cultural Christianity and Judeo Christianity? Are you making up these terms?

I am trying to distinguish between how Christians live and how cultural pagans live. You will not see [practicing] Christians promoting abortion, homosexuality, base sex, or things that stem from the devaluing of life. We believe that all of the above have led to the culture of death. We believe that base sex, whether homosexual or hetrosexual, is wrong because it reduces human beings to mere playthings and sex machines. It denegrates the sacredness of sex, marriage, family and human life, and transforms sex from the communion of life and love within the sacrament of matrimony to a simple tool of mastubatory and voyeuristic gratification. The cultural pagans [i.e the hollywood crowd and the militant homosexual community] believe just the opposite.

I'd say they were relativists because whenever you ask them about concrete moral truths they can't acknowledge them. They consider their sexual behavior to be subjective.

If those are the foundations of this nation why didn't the founders indicate it? I can find no reference to those commandments anywhere in the Constitution.

I look at how they framed our sacred documents in context of human rights and dignity. I look at how they lived their lives. Were they perfect? Nope. But they lived by a set of societal standards, which can be traced back to their religious beliefs.

383 posted on 01/16/2002 8:38:33 AM PST by JMJ333
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