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Your Predictions Here, Please, On Timetable for Israeli Obliteration of Yasser Arafat....
All the Mideast Press thesedays ^ | 23 January 2002 | AmericanInTokyo

Posted on 01/22/2002 12:21:27 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo

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To: AmericanInTokyo
How many points do I get?
21 posted on 01/22/2002 1:41:21 PM PST by Doomonyou
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To: AmericanInTokyo
1). The next attack that kills a member of government will bring an all out Israeli attack against all known terrorist camps and centers in Israel, Lebanon, and Syria.

2). This attack will cause an uproar in the Arab world. Iraq, Lebanon and Syria will mobilize.

3). Israel will mobilize in return and will launch pre-emptive attacks at Iraqi tanks that are in Syria and Lebanon and Iraqi scuds and decoys.

4). Iraq, and Syria invade the Golan heights and through Jordan in the West Bank area, arming the populace as they go, preceded by remaining scud attacks, including chemical weapons sent by rogue Iraqi commanders. Lebanon begins a southward push that is only designed to draw off forces. Terrorist attacks using chemical weapons used in market squares. Israel shows restraint concerning weapons of mass destruction, but deploys troops ruthlessly to defend Israel and kill all invaders. Due to Palistinian support of the invasion, many thousands of Palistinians are killed in the first week alongside their Iraqi and Syrian allies.

5). The world shows outrage at Iraq and Syria for the use of chemical weapons and the world opinion is in Israel's favor for the first time in an undeniable way.

6). Iraq uses radioactive waste in SCUD attacks and terror attacks in Jerusalem. Some form of chemical attack is used and kills hundreds in full view of television cameras.

7). Baghdad is nuked with a 5+ megaton device. Saddam probably killed. World freaks out, demands peace in the middle east, Israel points out, less people died in Baghdad than in the combined attacks of Iraq. Remaining Iraqi form coalition government allied to finish the invasion of Israel.

8). Joint American/European Force arrives 3 weeks after first attacks, lands at Haifa. Syrian troop from Golan Heights and LEbanese troops attacked by a two pronged attack by American/European forces. Israeli forces still respond to internal attacks, while additional American forces attack Iraq from the seas. Arabs living in America face severe persecution from citizens. All sleeper terror cells start causing havoc in the parks, shopping malls, and bus stations. Many Arabs choose to leave. Those remaining are considered criminals and face persecution and occaasional internment.

9). Lebanese forces crumble under intense American air power and resort to terorist type attacks, similar to Japanese last stand defenses in WWII Island campaigns. American/European forces cross the Golan Heights and enter Syria.

10). Nuclear device exploded in prominent European city and 2 American cities, one of which is Wshington D.C. President probably killed, American Government brought to it's knees logistically. All pity or remorse for Arabs is lost. All Arabs in US are attacked by vigilante groups, police do little to stop this. Remaining Americans take to arms, fill positions in newly called draft in 1 week.

11). War continues for 4 more months, with all major Syrian city infrastructure destroyed. Lebanon Cities invaded from Beirut by American/European/Turkish forces. Troops enter Baghdad ruins in symbolic act, invasion of Iraq from the Persian Gulf seizes major oil terminals in the east, while Turkish forces secure the north. Turkish forces cause much dissent with their additional attempts to eliminate Kurdish forces hostile to Turkey.

12). Since more than 75% of the Palistinians picked up arms and committed attacks from school yards and personal homes against Israeli forces, population of Palistinians is reduced by 60% or more. Syria cannot feed their people. Lebanon refugees flood Iraq and Turkey. Iraq is acountry without a leader, civil or otherwise. Millions dead. Arab nations threaten to cut west off from oil if attack momentum not stopped. West responds with threats against Saudi oil if promise kept. Saudis lighten up tone of threat, west responds with cessation of attack. World sees lack of advancing armies for the first time in 5 months since war started by Arab terrorists. Over 100,000,000 dead worldwide. World breathes sigh of relief.

13). Due to power vaccuum in US because of Nuclear attack, Europe must step forward to take world leader role. European leader starts re-building campaign putting survivors back to work. Small groups commit terror attacks in Israel and the world. European leader appears to have all best interests at heart, the world wants peace. Due to world pressure, Israel signs a peace treaty with the European lader to defend Israel against all foreign armies because Israel has almost no Army left and hawks demand protectionagainst all remaining Muslim countries like Egypt/Sudan/Libya and the southern republics of the former Soviet Union. Welcome to the Anti-Christ!

22 posted on 01/22/2002 1:59:28 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Arafart dead by early May after the an all out fight begins in mid April. Arafart will declare a Palestinina state and declare war on occupied lands as his last ditch effort before the PA collapse as an entity just before AraRat loses total control. This time there will be no PA or Arafart left to talk with and the West Bank and Gaza will be retaken by Israel and the local arabs will be given one last chance to make peace or be permanently removed from all Israel. Saddam Hussein will probably launch some scud somewhere in the process and the whole middle east will light up. Than the U.S. steps in to pay back Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, with GULF WAR II (terror erradication and Bin Laden hunt) ending with the Suadi Arabia now run by Chevron Oil Co.............
23 posted on 01/22/2002 2:05:42 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: Dog Gone
I don't think they'll ever kill him. There isn't any upside to it. He's not carrying out the attacks, and he may not even know about them in advance.

He's discredited around much of the world, and he's ugly.


Agreed. But ugly is still somewhat less of a problem than dumb.

He's widely perceived as being the one who walked away from a peace deal that was too generous to him.

Yup. And that's his biggest problem right now.

If there was any reason to think that he'd be replaced by somebody more moderate who could deliver on his promises, that would be one thing. But he wouldn't be, which is why they won't kill him.

Exactly.
24 posted on 01/22/2002 2:13:32 PM PST by aBootes
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To: RaceBannon
Interesting scenario...how did you compile it?
25 posted on 01/22/2002 2:31:13 PM PST by Delbert
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To: RaceBannon
That's a mark of the beast scenario. But a very possible one. My critique is that two nuclear strikes in the US would not paralyze us. Even if Wash DC gets one of them. And 100,000,000 would not die.

It would be great if Turkey ends up owning some Iraqi and/or Saudi oil fields

26 posted on 01/22/2002 2:32:53 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Robear
If Yasser would just start dating O.J... And Clinton.
27 posted on 01/22/2002 3:30:38 PM PST by Honestfreedom
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To: RaceBannon
what a reply! did you cut and paste that, or was it your work of art? Man, you take Free Republic very seriously!!! :-)
28 posted on 01/22/2002 3:47:05 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Delbert; dennisW; american in tokyo
That was off the top of my head. I have been expecting a major Mid-East war since the breakup of the Soviet Union, but I was disappointed at the end of the Gulf War.

I believe Bible prophesy which says there will be world attention given to a city, Babylon, and that city is respected by the world, it is destroyed in an hour and the world mourns. Babylon is being rebuilt now by Saddam, but who cares about Babylon?

Some believe that this Babylon will become the center of the one world religion known as THE WHORE OF BABYLON, that all ecumenical worship will be headed there. I dunno.

In order for this BAbylon to have prominence, especially after an ecumenical religion, then Saddamhas to go, and all opposition to religious fighting has to end, also, and that means a major war, major death, and a world shift in thinking about religion and peace.

I am also a Former Marine and still think like one almost, and I follow politics like all the rest of you. I just have a scenario in my head. I left out many things like world terrorism in the Philippines, Malaysia, India to make up the 100,000,000 figure, but I believe the next major Mid-East war will be about Islam and Israel, and I have been saying it for 12 years among friends. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to guess that, though! :-)

29 posted on 01/22/2002 4:10:23 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
Major problems with this scenario.

1) Israel could hold the Golan. I've been there. Between the mines, artilary, the Golani Brigade, and pissed of Druze, the Arab armies would be in real trouble. On the plus side, the land would be really fertile.

An invasion through Lebanon towards Haifa is more likely as this ground is flat. This is the traditional invasion route, which passes through Mt. Megiddo.

2) YOu are ignoring Iran, Egypt, and the Gulf States.
Iran could always join with weapons, but they don't get along with their Sunni arab neighbors.
Egypt poses a serious threat to Israel. With its limited population, Israel can only take the offensive on one front. The America armed Egyptian army would be a real problem.

Likewise the American and British armed gulf states could put troops in Jordan and head through the Judean hills.

The Air Forces of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain... could overwhelm Israel's

3.Israel has one more problem. It would need time to mobilize in any war. The 50,000 armed PA "police" as well as Hamas and Islamic Jihad could cause real difficulties by attacking Israli military bases and civilian transportation.

4. Israel has a loose nukes policy. It would not only use nukes if attacted with unConventional arms, but Israel also has the "Samson" option. In this scenario, if the IDF is overwhelmed, the opposing capitols would glow.

Ron

PS. A more likely precursor to war would be the PA trying to overun "settlements."
30 posted on 01/22/2002 4:13:14 PM PST by rmlew
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To: RaceBannon
I believe the war against Israel will commence prior to the Trib, then Antichrist will step in a make peace after Israel's enemies are given a serious whipping by God on the mountains surrounding Israel. This is in Ezekiel 28-29.
31 posted on 01/22/2002 4:16:55 PM PST by DittoJed2
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To: rmlew
No scenario is perfect. Artillery can take out mines in the Golan, too, so can a feint, allowing Israel to come forward a day, they counter them quickley, and just follow the tracks to have a cleared path so to speak.

i dont doubt the Golan is formidable, it is also historically Syrian, they want it, and it is the high ground, and might be the first chemical attack. With Lebanon coming down from the north, Israel would be stretched to defend the north and east in combat, the south from Egypt who only has to rattle sabers.

I do admit I left out Jordan, but then again, when did they ever show any courage? They MIGHT come in through the west bank, but not with armour. Too slow, too noticable on buildup. Armour could follow if desired.

Either way, I think Israel will be victorious, but the losses will be phenominal on the Arab sides, seeing they could play the human wave theory here.

32 posted on 01/22/2002 4:22:27 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: rmlew
But if the Arab armies are destroyed before getting to Israel, the scenario still stands. Iran is one of the nations named that will be in the army that only 1/6 is left after God gets done with them. So many will die that the Israelis will bury the dead for 7 months and burn weapons for 7 years.
33 posted on 01/22/2002 4:26:23 PM PST by DittoJed2
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To: DittoJed2
Can we have the Dome of the Rock and Al Aksa Mosque "accidentally" hit by the Scud?
34 posted on 01/22/2002 4:28:38 PM PST by rmlew
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I don't think Israel will kill him. They have had the opportunity for how many years to do so now? The problem is, who replaces him. Arafat wants to straddle the fence, supporting thugs on the one hand, but being a world leader on the other. He is somewhat containable by Israel therefore.

Arafat's heir will be nastier. I have no doubts that Israel will defend itself well, but the day after Israel were to kill Arafat, they would basically be on a war footing permanently, even more so than they are now.

My prediction is that Israel is getting close though. One more major terrorist attack against the west, (US or Europe, not Israel) will be Arafat's doom. Israel will retaliate with lethal force against Arafat within a week after the first even minor terrorist event in Israel.

I don't think they will do the deed until then however.

35 posted on 01/22/2002 4:30:40 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: rmlew
Well, the Bible does speak of a great earthquake shaking the region at that time too and with the cracks already in the foundations of those mosques, "nature" just may do the job for them.
36 posted on 01/22/2002 4:31:19 PM PST by DittoJed2
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To: rmlew
Either an accident or after the next war...ON PURPOSE, to formalize the death of Islam in Israel.
37 posted on 01/22/2002 4:35:56 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
Do you really think the Europeans would team up with us to defend Israel? I think there is a growing dislike for Israel among some in the west. Even England (who ever the leader may be at that time), may not for political expediency. I think the US may end up going it alone on their behalf (or at least I hope we ALWAYS defend Israel). What is your timetable for these predictions (starting in 2002, or in 5 - 10 years this begins?)?
38 posted on 01/22/2002 4:38:50 PM PST by Lanza
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To: Lanza
Europe will do it after they are attacked from within by Islam, I believe. They will have an eye-opening experience, and they will do an about face for Israel, but it will not last. Europe hates the Jews.
39 posted on 01/22/2002 4:44:06 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Lanza
In the Bible, nobody but God comes to her defense.
40 posted on 01/22/2002 4:44:27 PM PST by DittoJed2
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