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To: Hank Kerchief
Your views are not at all representative of pro-life people as you must know. Your point about "minding our own business" would hold water if the federal government hadn't already interfered with the Supreme Court decision 29 years ago. Now, the only way to straighten that out is with another Supreme Court decision. Neither I nor the vast majority of pro-lifers would agree with your assertion that a "fetus" isn't a life. You seem to be an atheist which makes your views obvious when considering whether God created life as we know it. If you do not consider life precious and a gift, then to you it is a "sperm" a "fetus" and of little consequence and puts your view very close to the abortionists.
5 posted on 01/23/2002 7:34:47 AM PST by elephantlips
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To: elephantlips
Neither I nor the vast majority of pro-lifers would agree with your assertion that a "fetus" isn't a life

I never said that a fetus is not "a life," I only said it is not born, which is when the world child is correct, and what you know it means to everyone else, and when you use the word child for an unborn fetus, you are intentionally trying to obfuscate the truth. It is just this kind of careless dishonesty that makes the pro-life movement dangerous to its own cause. Until those who really oppose abortion begin to be rational and honest in their methods, and those who are Christians, Biblical in their methods as well, they are going to do more harm than good.

(It is probably not a good idea to call a child of God an athiest, especially a bald-headed one. 2 Kings 2:22-25)

If the pro-life movement would work, I would support it. It won't work, and actually has the opposite result of the one it seeks.

Hank

6 posted on 01/23/2002 8:03:56 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: elephantlips
"The single entity most responsible for the abortion holocaust is the one that is sure it is doing everything in its power to stop the slaughter: The Church of Jesus Christ!"

Thought you might be interested in this quote from the first article in the latest Operation Rescue WEB Page. The point of view is different from mine, except that we agree if Christians had done what they ought to have done, the abortion problem would have been much less than it is today. (By the way, abortion will never be eliminated from the world, any more than crime or poverty, or even terrorism will be eliminated.)

Hank

8 posted on 01/23/2002 8:17:10 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: elephantlips
I would not argue. When I have the opportunity and I am with people who are reasonable enough to listen, and I know what I say will be understood, I make the same case you would probably make. If the people are Christians, it is not difficult to show that children are gift from God, and the unborn are the beginning of that gift. Whatever the problems seem to be, if God can give such a gift, He can and will supply whatever is needed to make that gift a joy, to have and love and raise to the Glory of God.

If the people are not Christians, maybe the first order of business is to address that question.

But every situation is different. I do not think you can argue or browbeat someone into not having an abortion. I think it is wrong to frighten them into not having one. But usually, there is some common value, even if it is the doubt of the one considering an abortion. After all, if someone is not certain that what they are doing is right, there is not going to be any turning back, once the act has been committed. It cannot be undone. (This is true of virginity too, by the way. It is never emphasized enough.)

It also true that once the child is born, there is no turning back. That can't be undone either. (I say this, because it is an answer I receive sometimes.) However, I have learned that whatever it is right to do, there is always a way to do. If everything else fails, the child can be adopted by another, loved and enjoyed. If a baby is never born, there are no other alternatives.

You really do have to try to be helpful though. There is no right answer. I think abortion must be dealt with the same way we deal with disease. We don't try to get the government to pass laws against it, we don't have anti-disease movements. We treat evey case as it comes along, and use the best medicine (information) and doctors (those who know how to deal with such cases) we can get.

Hank Still these are personal things, and I've revealed more than I intended to. You may use it against me if you like.

Hank

15 posted on 01/23/2002 10:41:00 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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