I may be setting off a firestorm here, but here goes anyway. Let me first say that I am extremely grateful for all that Nellie Gray has done for the pro-life cause in all of her years of activism. However, after having put up with her irrational hatred of gay pro-lifers for so long, I believe that she has now finally crossed the line. To have fellow pro-lifers arrested
, due soley to her belief that homosexuality is somehow a vastly more egregious sin than any other, is an impossibly hypocritical, cruel, and senile act.
Not to mention that, as challenged for allies as the pro-life movement is these days, to shove people away because they happen to be, like every other living human being (according to the teachings of Jesus Christ), living in sin, is ridiculously self-defeating.
So now, thanks to Nellie Gray's actions, the March For Life, which is supposed to be about saving babies from abortion, has been turned into a controversy about homosexual pro-lifers and their right to protest alongside others. I may be the only one here who feels this, but I am profoundly ashamed.
posted on 01/23/2002 6:22:01 AM PST
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It does seem rather odd they would have pro-lifers arrested.
posted on 01/23/2002 6:25:16 AM PST
Gay people should have an interest in abortion issues. Gay proponents claim that being gay is genetic, sooner or later some scientist is going to "prove" the gene exists. There lies the trap. What is going to prevent parents aborting fetuses after a genetic screening showing it may be "gay"?? Aborting fetuses because it is "gay" will not sit well with the gay community. In the long run the gay community and the abortion community is going to clash on this issue. It may not happen if both communities come together and write Politically Correct abortion laws - abortion allowed for all cases except "gay" fetuses. Conservatives will have a field day with that one.
posted on 01/23/2002 6:32:25 AM PST
Interesting accusation, but I doubt we have the whole story here. It smells like a manufactured incident, intended from the get-go to culminate in an indignant press release.
posted on 01/23/2002 6:36:45 AM PST
. The arrests were conducted by the United States Park Police by direct orders of Miss Nellie Gray the March for Life Leader and holder of the permit, according to the Park Police.
There's more to it than the homosexuals are telling. The police don't arrest people on the "orders" of a civilian. I would guess these folks started behaving a lot worse than they're letting on.
I'm curious as to why the gay group is so adamant about putting their group's name on their banner. Why do they have their own group? What does their choice of sexual practices have to do with the issue of abortion, anyway?
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Arresting homosexuals is good for society and the nation. It should be done whenever these people flaunt their lifestyles in public. Its for the children.
posted on 01/23/2002 6:44:23 AM PST
I know a lot about this incident and what led up to it because several of these people are good friends, and I was there two years ago when the Park Police attempted a similar arrest on Nellie Gray's orders. Miss Gray has grown testier and testier about the political leanings of participants in "her" march--and she alone holds the permit for it. Three years ago she ordered PLAGAL out of the march, and the group did leave. Then, two years ago, after extensive conversations with the group, she tried to have the leaders arrested. The police backed off, fortunately, and Father Frank Pavone (of Priests for Life) personally intervened and thanked PLAGAL for participating. I don't know what happened last year, but I was not surprised to see an arrest this year.
I am deeply disturbed that a single woman is attempting to dictate who can and cannot declare him or herself a pro-lifer. Banners abound at the march for every sort of cause, including the "ex-gay" movement. The PLAGAL people are very sincere pro-lifers who take a beating in the gay community for their public stance (at Pride rallies, for instance, where abortion-rights people come out in force). For them to be turned away from the March for Life is outrageous and self-defeating.
Consider the source:
Homosexuality is the culture of death
, or at least a modus operandi of free will and determined anti-procreationism, a lifestyle that accounts for no acceptance of one of the basic tenants of human nature and scientific reality: that of the generation or regeneration of human life and furthering of the human species.
They have no business pushing their gay agenda, which is probably more important to them than the abortion issue, IMHO.
Your source is suspect!
posted on 01/23/2002 7:03:52 AM PST
Personally, I'm fascinated that such a subculture exists. Gay pro-lifers! Just goes to show you when you think you've seen it all, you haven't, especially in this country.
So now, thanks to Nellie Gray's actions, the March For Life, which is supposed to be about saving babies from abortion, has been turned into a controversy about homosexual pro-lifers and their right to protest alongside others.
Wherein lies the problem. They couldn't simply show up with signs and protest like the others; they had to identify themselves as homosexuals, and grab some of the spotlight.
I'm sure the rest of the protestors didn't identify themselves as "Heterosexuals for Life"; they always have to interject that into everything they do.
Why in this case? Undoubtably more for PR than anything.
Why would they show up for this?
"Nellie Gray, in a meeting a few years ago, stated PLAGAL may participate in the March for Life so long as we do not identify ourselves as lesbians and gays," stated Moses Remedios, VP for Media Relations. "That's as offensive as telling an African American, 'you can ride on the bus, but just sit in the back.'"
Everything is always about them. I'm sure the pro-life cause was a secondary consideration, if one at all.
Let's not wax philosophical over this. What a transparent ruse! Homosexuals don't reproduce, so why should they be concerned about unborn babies not their own? The homosexual lobby is always the first to say that one sin is no greater than another. Homosexuality is sinful and so is murder. What's the difference? The homosexuals' participation in this march was likely uninvited and deliberately provocative. This was little more than an effort at self-promotion. And, it's ever so cliche to associate the homosexual agenda with black peoples' struggle for the exercise of their God-given rights in this Country!
All those wishing to express their disgust with the March for Life for this malicious and divisive act of exclusion are encouraged to contact the March for Life at firstname.lastname@example.org. For pictures and the latest information on this developing story please visit our website at http://www.plagal.org.
Right. Now the March for Life becomes a debate about homosexuals. They destroy everything they touch.
"How can Miss Gray claim to stand for the dignity of all human life while at the same time denying gays and lesbians our dignity in openly defending the rights of all human beings to life?" asked PLAGAL Vice-President, Ms. B.A. Keener.
Not that I'm not happy to welcome more people to the pro-life movement, but hey - it must be real easy for them to be pro-life, since according to the latest medical research there's very little chance of any conception happening within any member of their ranks.
Unless, maybe one night after a drunken binge, they stumble inebriated into the sperm bank's freezer, and then wake up the next morning with a hangover and an empty test tube, but I digress.
Were they truly pro-lifers they would have played by the rules. Nellie Gray knows what she is doing. I have always trusted her judgment and direction.
posted on 01/23/2002 7:43:42 AM PST
I agree. We have to come to agreement on some issues and this seems to be one of them. Perhaps there's more to the story but it seems a little overboard to me. As long as they were behaving and not pushing their own cause, why all this commotion? Gays are humans, too, and if we can come to an agreement on this issue, then so be it!
Was Ms. Gray the elderly lady with, um, purple hair? I was there for the first time yesterday and after about the five hundredth time she got up to talk I was getting sick of her. I mean, I'm sure she's a nice person who's been organizing this march and such, but, well, she's not the best public speaker, is she? And pulling a dumb stunt like this sure isn't going to help the cause!
posted on 01/23/2002 8:00:23 AM PST
Good for Miss Gray. Really GOOD! I wouldn't want PLAYGAL, I mean, PLAGAL marching with me, either. So what if this group pretends it cares about the unborn. It hurts a wonderful cause like Miss Gray's to have an organization that wants to braodcast itself as perferring same sex sex to march alongside. I mean, WHO, containing even an OUNCE OF COMMON SENSE, really believe that bedroom sexual preferance has any business being broadcast ANYWHERE. Miss gray knows that the focus of many would be directed at the sign the homosexuals carried, everyone wondering why people who want to braodcast deviant homosexual proclivities were there. Let the homosexuals have their own marches, where they can parade their dildos and the other sick stuff we have all seen. These homosexuals simply want to latch on to a huge event to make it appear to the rest of America that others think they are upright, accepted and part of the mainstream. Sorry. WRONG!
posted on 01/23/2002 8:04:57 AM PST
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