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'She made a wrong turn'
Richmond Times Dispatch ^ | 1-25 | BY MARK HOLMBERG

Posted on 01/25/2002 7:19:51 AM PST by putupon

Edited on 07/20/2004 11:46:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Jocelyn S. Stanley, 19, a world traveler from Wisconsin, was a little lost when her car was blocked by two or three young men standing in the middle of a North Richmond street Wednesday afternoon.

The young men - believed to be her age or younger - apparently took offense at having to move, and one of them shot her in the head, Richmond police officials said yesterday. No arrests have been made.


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she was told by Richmond police that one of the suspects told her sister, "You don't belong in this area" before the shooting started."

Hate crime?

1 posted on 01/25/2002 7:19:51 AM PST by putupon
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To: putupon
Couldn't be, the victim was white.
2 posted on 01/25/2002 7:33:22 AM PST by RetiredNavy
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To: putupon
I suppose we are to assume the shooters were black and then be ashamed of the assumption. That is the usual tactic of such a carefully worded report.

Had the races of the perpetrators and the victim been reversed... but never mind. We all know. What a waste.

3 posted on 01/25/2002 7:39:06 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
This is why I am very, very careful about where I go. I am always very aware of the people around me, and the minute that I think I may be going into a dangerous area I do an instant U-turn whether it is legal or not. I will leave it to you all to figure out what criteria I use to define a dangerous area. You may call me names, but you will never call me a victim.
4 posted on 01/25/2002 7:45:38 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: putupon
"..."She was totally nonracial," Reynolds-Agron said by phone from Cambridge...."

"Now she's totally non-alive," observed LaBelleDameSansMerci nastily.

5 posted on 01/25/2002 7:45:47 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Billy_bob_bob
That's why I prefer living in the country...the only danger of being shot at is by your friends, and then they won't really try to hit you anyway.
7 posted on 01/25/2002 7:48:44 AM PST by Pistias
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To: Billy_bob_bob
The sad fact about Richmond is... well... you know. The problem that dare not speak its name.
8 posted on 01/25/2002 7:57:33 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: putupon
"You don't belong here"???? This is still America isn't it? I belong wherever I want to!

We need Jesse and Mary Francis Berry up there right away this just has to be some misunderstanding!

I say fence off the area and nuke it.

9 posted on 01/25/2002 8:19:46 AM PST by sandydipper
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
"Now she's totally non-alive," observed LaBelleDameSansMerci nastily.

I love the word "nastily", and you use it so well.

10 posted on 01/25/2002 8:20:31 AM PST by Random Access
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To: putupon
Any idea how old her boyfriend is? She was 19, the oldest child of her boyfriend is 7.
11 posted on 01/25/2002 8:26:25 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: putupon
The Truth About Hate Crime Statistics
12 posted on 01/25/2002 8:28:54 AM PST by occam's chainsaw
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To: putupon
This is a perfect example of what the death penalty is on the books for; but, Virginia doesn't anymore, right?
13 posted on 01/25/2002 8:31:51 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: putupon
How sad. What animals roam the street. Seems as though we have terrorists right here.
14 posted on 01/25/2002 8:32:34 AM PST by kassie
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To: figit
ping
15 posted on 01/25/2002 8:35:07 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: A_perfect_lady
That is the usual tactic of such a carefully worded report.

You got it. In leftmedia anytime a perp is black, nary a word will be mentioned anywhere, even if a description of a still at large homicidal maniac would help the citizenry protect themselves and provide leads to police.

If the perp is WHITE however, well count on it to be mentioned twice in the first two sentences, along with a booking file photo, and a complete description of the HATE crime.

16 posted on 01/25/2002 8:37:56 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Pharmboy
Virginia doesn't anymore, right?

we still have the death penalty, but I doubt these punks get it.

17 posted on 01/25/2002 8:41:44 AM PST by putupon
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To: mudboy Slim; sultan88
Bump to my Richmond FRiends, if they still claim the town....
18 posted on 01/25/2002 8:45:51 AM PST by AdSimp
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To: MRAR15Guy56
I will tell you this if the victim indeed is white and the shooters are black then I will be the first to call for the crime of murder to fall under the hate crime laws of Va. "The statement you don't belong in this area" could and should be shown that the shooting was racial in nature. The law is the law!!!
19 posted on 01/25/2002 9:07:10 AM PST by Trueblackman
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To: putupon; Administrative Simplification
"...investigators are getting plenty of help from residents in the historic and generally safe North Richmond neighborhood where Stanley died."

Yeah, I bet they are!!

20 posted on 01/25/2002 9:08:54 AM PST by sultan88
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To: Trueblackman
To hell with a trial ....just put 'em in a small room with you for a few minutes....black or white....they'll recieve proper justice I'd bet.

Regards to ya TBM!!!!!!

21 posted on 01/25/2002 9:10:26 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: putupon
Excuse me, maybe I read this article too fast. But did it happen to mention the race of these murderers? If not, I'll hazard a guess and say that they were black. And I'm not ashamed to say that. Let's face it, there are alot of criminal white kids out there, but there are boatload more blacks commiting crimes like this. Numbers don't lie. This is a hate crime and those thugs should be put to death.
22 posted on 01/25/2002 9:12:25 AM PST by oldvike
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To: bang_list; victoria delsoul; rnmomof7; 2sheep
What a world we live in.
23 posted on 01/25/2002 9:13:18 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: All
And at the risk of being labeled a racist, I'll continue my thoughts on why blacks commit violent crimes at a high rate. I recently read an article that said that only 25% of black youths are in a home where their parents are married. IMO, everything starts at home. Children coming from a broken home tend to be at a greater risk of becoming criminals. Until the black community realizes and rectifies this situation, it will never get better. I hope and pray that they will.
24 posted on 01/25/2002 9:17:12 AM PST by oldvike
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To: MRAR15Guy56
Swap the players, and we'd never hear the end of it. Ever.

Swap the players and we'd have a race riot with Jackson and Sharpton egging them on with their oratory !

25 posted on 01/25/2002 9:18:32 AM PST by varon
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To: putupon
"There's no rhyme or reason for it," said Lt. David Martin, head of the Richmond police homicide squad.

Yes there is.

26 posted on 01/25/2002 9:19:28 AM PST by unsycophant
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To: Dixie Sass
Ping
27 posted on 01/25/2002 9:20:07 AM PST by dixie sass
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To: Trueblackman
Hey TBM, how did the "Day of Repudiation" go? God bless Jesse Peterson.
28 posted on 01/25/2002 9:20:53 AM PST by oldvike
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I am always very aware of the people around me, and the minute that I think I may be going into a dangerous area I do an instant U-turn whether it is legal or not.

I either do that or execute a "Presidential Motorcade" transit--60+ MPH, ignore any stoplights. Whichever one gets me onto the freeway more quickly is my decision criterion.

29 posted on 01/25/2002 9:22:34 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: putupon
Ug what a terrible story.
30 posted on 01/25/2002 9:24:56 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: oldvike
""She was totally nonracial," Reynolds-Agron said by phone from Cambridge. She said her sister had fallen in love with Tillman, was caring for his three children and was apparently the only white person living on Tillman's block on Second Avenue, one of the city's tougher neighborhoods.

That's the only racially-identifiable phrase in the text ... I guess you can make of that as you will.

That and the phrase ... "one of the suspects told her sister, "You don't belong in this area" before the shooting started.

31 posted on 01/25/2002 9:25:52 AM PST by BlueLancer
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To: oldvike
Yeah, I'm sure it's just the lack of good father that caused this murder. Not like the institutionalized black racism of the Left has anything to do with it.
32 posted on 01/25/2002 9:27:26 AM PST by Justa
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To: MRAR15Guy56
Wait a minute. This is impossible. Not in Richmond. I mean, they put up that statue of Arthur Ashe on the Avenue and they took down all of those pictures of those evil old dead white guys along the river. So all of this racial animosity should have disappeared, right?
33 posted on 01/25/2002 9:29:27 AM PST by gridlock
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To: Justa
What are you saying? That I'm excusing these thugs? Hell no! All I'm saying is that until the parents start acting like parents, they'll keep producing a higher percentage of criminals per capita. Just stating a fact. And yes, the Left is an "enabler" in all of this. I'd agree with that.
34 posted on 01/25/2002 9:29:58 AM PST by oldvike
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To: Trueblackman
"The statement you don't belong in this area" could and should be shown that the shooting was racial in nature. The law is the law!!! I don't believe in the hate crime theory. Murder is the ultimate display of hate, no outside consequences need come to bear. However, those more intelligent than I (?), have created this "Law", and it definately should be applied equally, or not at all. "you don't belong in this area" has been used on both sides of this racial divide. Being an older fellow from the South, I know. It could have been just as easily followed up with directions to get the hell out of there, instead of a bullet to the head. Wish more of us could agree to this. Thanks for posting your thoughts. Blackbird.
35 posted on 01/25/2002 9:30:14 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: oldvike
It went very well from what I have been told since I live here on the East Coast, but BOND and Rev. Peterson had a great turnout and I hope next year's will be bigger I may try to attend myself.
36 posted on 01/25/2002 9:31:24 AM PST by Trueblackman
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To: Trueblackman
I'm proud of you and Jesse. You guys have "balls as big as churchbells". You are truly two very brave people. I'm sure the backlash from Jackson and his group has been somewhat vicious at times, but you guys have managed to stay the course. Keep up the good work. Oh yeah, tell Hannity "Hello from Free Republic" next time you talk to him. LOL
37 posted on 01/25/2002 9:34:30 AM PST by oldvike
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To: kassie
"Seems as though we have terrorists right here."

That needed repeating as I imagine you considered that these particular terrorists were not even non-citizens of America.

38 posted on 01/25/2002 9:58:15 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: Sir Gawain
"There's no rhyme or reason for it," said Lt. David Martin, head of the Richmond police homicide squad.

Oh, yes there is… hate.

39 posted on 01/25/2002 10:11:41 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: putupon
This makes me sick. I hope they catch all three bastards and kill them. The world will be a better place for it.
40 posted on 01/25/2002 10:17:39 AM PST by paul51
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Oh, yes there is… hate.

It's still unimaginable to me, though -- well, the shooting part I can imagine.

But for young men to just pull out a gun and shoot any woman, not to mention a young one, is something that goes beyond hate.

They're animals, and deserve to be put down as such.

41 posted on 01/25/2002 10:29:10 AM PST by r9etb
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To: putupon
I've got a brother-in-law who thinks I'm paranoid 'cause I carry a gun.
"I can't believe a man like you is so afraid" he says.
Not afraid - realistic. There are bad people out there, Toto, who want to hurt us.
42 posted on 01/25/2002 10:39:15 AM PST by Psalm 73
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To: Sir Gawain; Fred Mertz; RaceBannon; Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter; Jeremiah Jr; babylonian...
Mt 24:7 For nation [ethnos] shall rise against nation [ethnos], and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

The Lord prophesied above the communist/globalist/U.N. technique of intentionally riling up one ethnic group against another.  Sometimes they are indigenous, sometimes not, but generally they are the have-not's who are hyped to attack those who have.  Consider Rwanda, Zimbabwe, S.A., Fiji and many other places.  This has been going on for generations and is typical marxist policy.  Because of the ease of travel, offenders don't have to be in their neighborhood.  They can be individuals going through downtown office buildings, opening every door to see what they can steal, or in gangs intimidating lone individuals, just trying to get a piece of the American dream.

Click here ====>  Communist Goals - 1963 Congressional Record  <====== for a list of Communist Goals (1963).  Post #51 said on 12/09/2000 that all but 3 of the 45 items on the Communist agenda were "DONE!" then.  On the list are those plans to destroy and pervert the culture.  It worked!

It has all been working according to plan, everything from Hollywood back in the 30's and 40's teaching that diamonds and sexuality are a girl's best friend while the globalist rich guys hyped the price of diamonds and hawked them to the poor sheep, to John Wayne bravado puffing one's macho Pride which shall be the nation's downfall.  So the nation ends up drunken on stuff and sin and lives to entertain itself to death, having no time for its own babies which it murders before they have seen the light of day.  So much for the whore of Babylon who continues to party-on.

See also here:   The "Age of Aquarius" and The "New World Order" and  here: 31


2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

You only get to be disciples, to know the truth and be made free if you continue.  America, you didn't continue...you fell for the lie, you broke the everlasting covenant because you didn't do your part.

45 posted on 01/25/2002 11:14:21 AM PST by 2sheep
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To: Billy_bob_bob
"I will leave it to you all to figure out what criteria I use to define a dangerous area. You may call me names, but you will never call me a victim."

I believe it was Chris Rock, a black comedian, who said (my paraphrase), "If you are in any city and find yourself on MLK Blvd., FLEE FOR YOUR LIFE!"

46 posted on 01/25/2002 11:23:20 AM PST by TexasRepublic
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To: putupon
I thought the NRA's Operation Exhile was supposed to stop illegal guns?
47 posted on 01/25/2002 11:38:43 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Navy Patriot
If the perp is WHITE however,

... it's mentioned in the headline.

48 posted on 01/25/2002 11:45:50 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Alarm Clock
It might not even have been the reporter, sometimes the editors cut things like that out. They're the real ones who deserve the blame, because they had the option to add the race of the suspects back into the article.
49 posted on 01/25/2002 11:49:56 AM PST by xm177e2
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To: Trueblackman
It takes a lot of guts to stand up to the official party line, although personally I don't think the race-baiters represent the majority black opinion. When I lived in Norfolk, and rode the TRT through Norfolk, Porthsmouth, and Virginia Beach every day, I was usually the only white person on the bus. I was never treated with anything but courtesy.
50 posted on 01/25/2002 11:52:13 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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