[Publius6961]

At the first meeting a masked terrorist from the Palestinian group Hamas spoke in Arabic for an hour. He pledged "oceans of blood" would oust Israelis from his homeland.

I wonder if there is a videotape record of these events?
It would be educational specially to those not convinced that Islam is the enemy, not just a few misguided nuts.

I am really curious if those who defend freedom of speech without reservation would argue that the freedom must extend to those who demonstrably act on the hate speech they spout.
It would be an interesting debate.

[Alas Babylon!]

I wonder if there is a videotape record of these events?

I believe this is in the video, "Jihad in America", referenced here.

[CrossCheck]

Jihad in America is available at www.iclips.com

However, I just went to the website and it's not running right now as the website is being redesigned. I watched this documentary right after 9/11, and it will make your blood boil. It was a real eye opener.

[VOA]

I am really curious if those who defend freedom of speech without reservation would argue
that the freedom must extend to those who demonstrably act on the hate speech they
spout.
It would be an interesting debate.

Just for myself, I'm all for the free speech...as long as we keep the "yelling fire
in a theater" type exceptions AND allow use of speech freely in court cases to show
frame of mind of the accussed.
(Just my inexpert opinion).

This wide-open approach to free speech is coming back to bite the derriere of the Iman of
the mosque of Cleveland.
Turns out he got all the public/ecumenical support of Cleveland when a fellow rammed his
car into the mosque following 9-11.

A good bit of the warm-and-fuzzy vibes disappeared when somebody came up with a video tape
from the early 1990's in which this Imam was giving some VERY vile speeches about Jews
to raise money for the Palestinians.

The Imam is a pretty charismatic fellow and has done a decent job of disawoving those
"indiscretions", speaking a "Islam is a religion of peace" line these days.

But you could see his support eroded...some of the other ministers (Methodists, etc.) in the area
have now distanced themselves from the Imam.
(As much as I detest most of PBS, I saw the news about the Imam on Bill Moyers'
new PBS series "NOW" a couple of weeks ago. I was suprised how hard-edged it was.)

That's the thing about the First Amendment....it's the real "reality check" and
"give them enough rope" mechanism. Even it puts us through some unpleasant moments.
As Professor Kingsfield (John Houseman) said in "The Paper Chase" series:
"Nothing is EVER 'off the record'."
(In other words, First Amendment or not...anything you say aloud can come back to you.)

[JCG]

I wonder if there is a videotape record of these events?

You can get it at the link below.  It's frightening.

America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
Download 8 Mb zip file here (60 minute video)

[MissAmericanPie]

I watched the documentary, it was a real eye opener. Especially the youth summer camps that train Muslim kids here in the USofA for jihad.