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An Astounding Remark
Future of Freedom Foundation ^ | Sheldon Richman

Posted on 02/06/2002 5:05:45 AM PST by francisandbeans

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To: Howlin
Come on Howlin. Tell me what Ashcroft really meant.
41 posted on 02/06/2002 5:57:12 AM PST by francisandbeans
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To: francisandbeans
You seem to already KNOW what he meant, so I'll let you and your pals have fun being smug and all knowing.
42 posted on 02/06/2002 5:58:15 AM PST by Howlin
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To: steve50
Wonder if I'm allowed to say that?

Not if I can help it buddy. I hit the abuse button on your post 50 times, once for each state in this great union, in a symbolic gesture of my disgust at your audacity to make such a statement in this time of war. Don't you know that you're supposed to act like a lemming now?

</even_greater_sarcasm>

43 posted on 02/06/2002 5:59:33 AM PST by Hoosier Patriot
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To: Howlin
tee-hee! Sucks to be boxed in, don't it?
44 posted on 02/06/2002 5:59:39 AM PST by francisandbeans
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To: francisandbeans
What is refreshing is that on this thread there has been only one person who is even remotely defending Ashcroft.

I suspect that may be because most folks are kindof sick and tired of the circle jerks you unappeasables tend to run on your threads.

I get a mental picture of polyster plaid shirts, stretch slacks and too-wide ties. I see balding, paunchy men and camo-wearing women knodding earnestly at each sage remark recorded for posterity by a fellow "patriot".

What *will* it take to convince you folks that this isn't some kind of game we're playing with the terrorists? Another WTC?

Oh, who cares? You guys are fringe playazz anyway, right there next to the Chomskyists and Howard Zinn fanatics. I don't know why I bother.

45 posted on 02/06/2002 6:00:59 AM PST by borkrules
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To: francisandbeans
You make a great point. The depth of their allegiance is limitless. You see Howlin has simply refused to defend it. He/she simply decries those who criticize, just like Mr. Ashcroft.

I've been saying for a while that this is just Doublethink or avoidance of ThoughtCrime. These people can refuse to believe that which is obvious if they have been told to. It is really that simple. I spent two days trying to convince two such good outer party members that the USA allowed the Pakistani ISI to evacuate Taliban and Al Quaeda. The incident was well documented. I posted three stories (AP, NYT, WSJ) and another guy on the thread posted a fourth (MSNBC) all confirming that it happened. But instead of accepting that this happened or even that it COULD have happened, they chose to believe bald assertions from the FedGov.

In sum, they believe everything. They cannot not believe everything because they have been conditioned to believe everything and they want to believe everything. They love Big Brother.

46 posted on 02/06/2002 6:01:52 AM PST by Loopy
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To: francisandbeans
I seem to recall that Bill Clinton commented that Americans had too many freedoms and the response thereto was muted.
47 posted on 02/06/2002 6:02:18 AM PST by monocle
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To: borkrules
so you agree with ashcroft in this respect?

I would love to hear how, and perhaps without the condescention and name calling. That's the funny thing about some folks, they act like saying that ashcroft is over the line is some sort of blasphemy.

You can repect someone and still acknowledge that they had an idiotic moment.

48 posted on 02/06/2002 6:03:29 AM PST by francisandbeans
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To: Jefferson Adams
Yeah.....bring back Janet Reno. There was a REAL attorney general!
49 posted on 02/06/2002 6:05:17 AM PST by estpeter
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To: francisandbeans
Perhaps you would prefer it is the government did absolutely nothing to prevent further attacks, but not me. I, for one, believe that it's better to fight terrorism than to lay down and let it roll over you. But, of course, if this country was destroyed from within or from outside, I'm sure you'd be happy. You all have SUCH a better plan to run things, don't you?

If it wouldn't put people at such great risk, I just wish ONE WEEK you armchair warriors and know-it-alls had to put your money where you mouth was; maybe if you ever had to be in charge, things wouldn't be quiet as easy as they appear to you from that computer chair.

As for me, I'd rather DO something, than WHINE about something. I'd rather TRY to do something, rather than continually mock the people who are trying to SAVE our freedom, whether they find the best path the first time or not.

BTW, anybody who threatens MY FREEDOM is a terrorist in my book. I'll come down on the side of those trying to protect our freedom every single time.

50 posted on 02/06/2002 6:05:28 AM PST by Howlin
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To: francisandbeans
"The era of a shrinking federal government has come to a close."

How can it come to a close when it never existed ?!!!

51 posted on 02/06/2002 6:05:43 AM PST by jimt
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To: francisandbeans
Those who see diminished liberty must be hallucinating, seeing "phantoms of lost liberty."

Sure, the Soviet method.

Obviously, anyone who's hallucinating about "phantoms of lost liberty" is mentally ill and must be treated as such.

Well, with proper treatment I suppose eventually they can be reintegrated into the minimum security camp along with the other grateful inmates.

But still be carefully "monitored."

52 posted on 02/06/2002 6:05:45 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: estpeter
the lesser of two evils is still evil.
53 posted on 02/06/2002 6:05:51 AM PST by francisandbeans
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To: francisandbeans
yeah its so scary I wet myself all over again....
54 posted on 02/06/2002 6:06:22 AM PST by linn37
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To: Loopy
See how smart you are? I'm already ON the thread, Beavis.
55 posted on 02/06/2002 6:07:06 AM PST by Howlin
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To: francisandbeans
Nothing I have to say would interest you. Talk amongst yourselves.
56 posted on 02/06/2002 6:07:18 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: borkrules
I get a mental picture

I'm surprised it functions. But I can assure you that whatever picture you get, it isn't yours.

polyster plaid shirts, stretch slacks and too-wide ties. I see balding, paunchy men and camo-wearing women knodding earnestly at each sage remark recorded for posterity by a fellow "patriot".

Sorry, none of the above.

What *will* it take to convince you folks that this isn't some kind of game we're playing with the terrorists? Another WTC?

I'm perfectly aware of that. But you see, I'm not the mental midget that refuses to actually do anything about the threat that resembles common sense. Like closing off our borders. Stopping immigration from the Middle East. Fighting people that actually are the threat like the Saudis or Pakistanis. No its serious business alright. It's a shame that our government isn't treating it as such.

I don't know why I bother.

Me either.

57 posted on 02/06/2002 6:07:30 AM PST by Loopy
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To: francisandbeans
Quick response. You must not be real busy this A.M.

I need to be productive today.

But this comment (and my observation of your excellent sense of humor and wit on other threads) makes me feel better about your critique of Ashcroft:

You can repect someone and still acknowledge that they had an idiotic moment.

I try to apply that both to politicians and posters I admire.

Best of luck with this krew.

59 posted on 02/06/2002 6:08:17 AM PST by borkrules
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To: francisandbeans
bump
60 posted on 02/06/2002 6:08:59 AM PST by AAABEST
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