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Dump the Saudis- A peculiar, intolerant, and anti-Western monarchy
National Review ^ | 2/07/02 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 02/07/2002 8:48:44 AM PST by vrwc54


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Is it just me, or are the Saudis not particularly charming even when they are on a charm offensive?

Here was Crown Prince Abdullah in a New York Times interview the other day, trying — but apparently not that hard — to make nice: "In the current environment, we find it very difficult to defend America, and so we keep our silence. Because, to be very frank with you, how can we defend America?"

A day earlier, the head of Saudi intelligence unloosed this charming thought: "Some days you say you want to attack Iraq, some days Somalia, some days Lebanon, some days Syria. Who do you want to attack? All the Arab world? And you want us to support that? It's impossible. It's impossible."

When the Saudis tell us that everything is alright with their relationship with the United States, what they really mean is that they want the status quo to go on forever, i.e. they want the U.S. to continue to ignore the Saudis' dangerous work creating a radical Islamic network around the world, while we provide security for the royal family.

As I argue in the cover story in the new National Review, mutual strategic and mercenary interests between the U.S. and the Saudis have long submerged the significance of the peculiar, intolerant, and anti-Western beliefs at the core of the Saudi monarchy.

After September 11, such considerations now pale against the cultural contradiction between the two countries. The U.S.-Saudi relationship should change fundamentally. And the key, as with so much in the Middle East at the moment, is Iraq.

The brewing controversy over the U.S. presence in Saudi Arabia is part of a strategic shift in the region that is making old assumptions obsolete, and so making current U.S. policy a basket of contradictions.

Foremost among them is the fact that U.S. troops are in Saudi Arabia to protect the House of Saud from an Iraqi threat the princes no longer really fear. With the Iraqi threat no longer so frightening, the Saudis probably won't let us use Saudi bases for the only task we need them for — toppling Saddam Hussein.

This might be because the Saudis worry that the U.S. is not really serious about confronting Saddam. But things, in the long run, might actually be worse for the Saudis if we do finish the job in Iraq. Installing a functional, Western-oriented government in Baghdad would dramatically increase U.S. leverage in the region.

A decent government in Iraq could become a model for the Arab world. It would provide a boost to reformers in Iran. And it might chasten Yasser Arafat, who typically moderates his behavior at times of Western assertion.

It thus would serve to embarrass the Saudis — who, in comparison with a reformist government in Iraq, would look more backwards than ever — and possibly disrupt the Iranian-Palestinian radical axis on which the Saudis have increasingly looked favorably.

Most importantly, a successful U.S. effort to topple Saddam and install a friendly regime in Baghdad would make the U.S.-Saudi alliance far less important. In many ways, Iraq seems a more natural candidate for friendship with the U.S. than does Saudi Arabia, despite the Saddam interlude.

Iraqis have traditionally been a sophisticated and commercial-oriented people, with few of the traditions of Islamic radicalism of the Saudis. Also, the Iraqis could withdraw from OPEC and begin fully pumping oil into the world market, thus reducing Saudi market power and one of the incentives for the U.S. to appease the regime.

As for U.S. troops, it is yet another contradiction of the current situation that Osama bin Laden's prescription makes the most strategic sense in the long run: pulling out of Saudi Arabia.

The Saudis wouldn't let us fly missions against the Taliban from Saudi territory, and are resistant to letting us fly bombing missions to enforce the no-fly zones in Iraq. What use are our bases?

In a post-Saddam world, the U.S. could withdraw its security guarantee from the Saudis, fulfill its basing requirements elsewhere — Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, possibly even Iraq — and give the Saudis some time to think about the Bush doctrine: Supporting and tolerating terrorists makes you a terrorist.

Maybe then, the next Saudi charm offensive might actually be a little charming.



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1 posted on 02/07/2002 8:48:44 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: veronica; Sabramerican; classygreeneyedblonde; College repub; knighthawk; Pissed Off Janitor...
Ping.
2 posted on 02/07/2002 8:49:49 AM PST by weikel
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To: vrwc54
The saudis?? Think Dune. Think Harkonnen. Think bizarrely inept Harkonnens. That they have hoodwinked the US administration and public for years is just a testimoney of how far the brain-rot has gone.
3 posted on 02/07/2002 8:59:21 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: vrwc54
Well, he seems to have the House of Saud's number!

I confess that in all of my contacts with Saudis over the past 30+ years, beginning as a graduate student, I have never met one I felt I could trust or that I really respected, let alone liked. If it weren't racist to say so, and one can never be racist here, I would suggest that "good Saudis" were about as rare as Gen. Sheridan's "good Indians".

4 posted on 02/07/2002 9:01:00 AM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: weikel, friend_or_foe, loliput, tex-oma, duck soup, hockey pop, alouette, dennisw
Bump.
5 posted on 02/07/2002 9:01:49 AM PST by veronica
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To: vrwc54
Bump.
6 posted on 02/07/2002 9:08:45 AM PST by DoctorMichael
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To: vrwc54
...they want the U.S. to continue to ignore the Saudis' dangerous work creating a radical Islamic network around the world, while we provide security for the royal family.

Thats right, while we protect the house of Faud from Sadam, they bury a dagger in our back by aiding and abetting Islamic terror against us.

7 posted on 02/07/2002 9:09:26 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: vrwc54
Steps toward transferring oil purchases to the Russians and reliance on Alaskan reserves as well as movement towards alternative fuels would allow us to end our relationship with the Saudis.

Since beyond oil, all they could possibly offer us is sand, camels, and bizarre religious fanaticism, we’d be much better off without them. In the future I aspire to interact with them only via a B-52 reducing Mecca to dust.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

8 posted on 02/07/2002 9:15:56 AM PST by End Times Sentinel
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To: vrwc54
Works for me!
9 posted on 02/07/2002 9:59:51 AM PST by RichardW
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To: vrwc54
Man, the P.R.-sensitive House of Saud is going to go bezerk when they see that magazine cover.
10 posted on 02/07/2002 10:05:38 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
:-)
11 posted on 02/07/2002 10:07:25 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: vrwc54
The solution is SIMPLE.... We grab hold of the Oilfield then we let the ENTIRE WORLD now that when the ENSUEING riots break out in RYHAHD we will no ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO PROP UP THIS TRAITPOUS AND ANTI SEMITIC REGIME!!! The HOUSE OF SAUD should collapse with 72 HOURS of this statement I predict!!!!
12 posted on 02/07/2002 11:03:02 AM PST by Roger_W_Isom
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To: CatoRenasci
TRUST and SAUDIS..... OXYMORON!!!! Those are TWO WORDS that CAN NOT BE USED in the SAME SENTENCE...
13 posted on 02/07/2002 11:05:44 AM PST by Roger_W_Isom
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To: Shermy
My response to the House of SAUD reaction to cover..... THE CLASSIC MIDDLE FINGER OBSCENE SALUTE!!!!! ROFLMAO:-))))
14 posted on 02/07/2002 11:08:40 AM PST by Roger_W_Isom
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To: weikel
So it is the mission of the U.S. to "install" foreign governments? The republic is dead. Long live the empire!
15 posted on 02/07/2002 11:15:23 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
A. Yes the republic is dead and has been ever since they extended the franchise to everyone and allowed Senators to be directly elected. B. Even if we were a Republic what choice would we have in dealing with terrorist states. Even Jefferson tried to install a more friendly monarch in Algiers.
16 posted on 02/07/2002 11:19:55 AM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
Jefferson was pursuing a limited, targeted mission. He was not pursuing an open-ended, vague war on "terror." A victory in such a war, of course, is impossible since "terror" has existed since the dawn of man. It does, however, open the door to world empire. Jefferson was an enemy of foreign military establishments, colonies, or social engineering. He would have probably agreed with a targeted mission against Bin Laden. He would have been disgusted by the U.S. embrace of world empire.
17 posted on 02/07/2002 11:23:14 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: weikel
Senators were not directly elected in 1898 when the U.S. first went down the road to empire, albeit just in the Caribbean at first.
18 posted on 02/07/2002 11:24:19 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Well like I said what choice do we have there are people around the world trying to kill us I prefer to get them outside the country.
19 posted on 02/07/2002 11:25:04 AM PST by weikel
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