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New species clarifies bird-dinosaur link
The Field Museum ^ | February 13, 2002

Posted on 02/14/2002 8:34:36 AM PST by OBAFGKM

New species clarifies bird-dinosaur link
Field Museum paleontologist helps analyze fossil

CHICAGO – The discovery and analysis of an early carnivorous dinosaur, Sinovenator changii, are clarifying the evolutionary relationship between dinosaurs and birds, according to a paper to be published in Nature Feb. 14, 2002.

The small, relatively complete fossil was found in the rich Yixian Formation of western Liaoning in China, where scientists have recently discovered many groundbreaking fossils, including feathered dinosaurs.

“This new dinosaur, which was probably feathered, is closely related to and almost the same age as the oldest known bird, Archaeopteryx,” says Peter Makovicky, PhD, assistant curator of dinosaurs at The Field Museum and co-author of the paper. “It demonstrates that major structural modifications toward birds occurred much earlier in the evolutionary process than previously thought.

“Furthermore, these findings help counter, once and for all, the position of paleontologists who argue that birds did not evolve from dinosaurs,” he adds.

Article continues at Field Museum Press Release.


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Just another transitional fossil for creationists to pretend doesn't exist.
1 posted on 02/14/2002 8:34:38 AM PST by OBAFGKM
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So this means that Senator Byrd is a dinosaur?
2 posted on 02/14/2002 8:38:26 AM PST by usual suspect
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To: OBAFGKM
This new dinosaur, which was probably feathered, is closely related to and almost the same age as the oldest known bird, Archaeopteryx

For the author to claim that Archaeopteryx is the oldest bird ignores the existing controversy among experts and betrays his bias. This article discusses the current debate and ends with this paragraph.

So, in the end, what is Archaeopteryx ? Was it a theropod dinosaur or a bird? Could it fly or not? Is it a crucial missing-link or a bizarre offshoot? A legitimate fossil or an artful hoax? The answers to these questions are far from complete but I'll bet that Archaeopteryx will continue to provoke curiosity and debate for a long time to come yet.

3 posted on 02/14/2002 8:42:04 AM PST by Pete
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To: usual suspect
"So this means that Senator Byrd is a dinosaur?"

Well, he's certainly a fossil.

4 posted on 02/14/2002 8:42:46 AM PST by OBAFGKM
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To: usual suspect
So this means that Senator Byrd is a dinosaur?

Possibly, and Janet Reno might be the only living fossil.

5 posted on 02/14/2002 8:44:01 AM PST by lsee
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To: OBAFGKM
The fossil was found right next to a lynx hair.
6 posted on 02/14/2002 8:46:08 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: OBAFGKM
Here's Creationist SOP:

Creationist: There ARE NO transitional fossils. Look at fossil of species A that evoluionists claim evolved into fossil of species B. There's nothing in between!

Evolutionist Paleontologist: Look, I just found fossil C. It's in-between fossil A and fossil B in age, and has characteristics of both. There's yet another of the thousands of transitional forms that have been found.

Creationist: Look at fossil of species A and fossil of specis C! Look at fossil of species C and fossil of species B! There's nothing in-between! There are no transitional forms!

Evolutionist Paleontologist: Ok, I've found fossil D and fossile E. Fossil D is younger than fossil A and older than fossil C, and it has characteristics of both. Fossil E is younger than fossil C and older than fossil B. Both fossils are yet more of the thousands of transitional fossils we've discovered.

Creationist: THERE ARE NO TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS! WHERE IS THE TRANSITION BETWEEN FOSSIL A AND FOSSIL D BLAH BLAH BLAH RANT RANT RANT

7 posted on 02/14/2002 8:48:03 AM PST by John H K
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To: OBAFGKM
Thanks for the article and the link!
8 posted on 02/14/2002 8:49:38 AM PST by Graewoulf
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To: OBAFGKM
Figure skating and boxing have less fraud than the history of evolutionary science.
9 posted on 02/14/2002 8:51:28 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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Pot.kettle.black

The laughable Paluxy "man" tracks of creation "science"?

10 posted on 02/14/2002 8:55:10 AM PST by John H K
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Quote: "This new dinosaur, which was probably feathered..."
Wow, more concrete evidence PROBABLY=Theory
11 posted on 02/14/2002 8:56:32 AM PST by fish hawk
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"Wow, more concrete evidence PROBABLY=Theory"

Are you suggesting that "PROBABLY=Theory", therefore S. changii is not a transitional form? What's your point??

12 posted on 02/14/2002 9:11:04 AM PST by OBAFGKM
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The point is: Facts are not "probably", even in science. How could you miss my point?
13 posted on 02/14/2002 9:36:43 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: Pete
The very reason that there's controversy about whether to call Archaeopteryx a bird or a dinosaur is precisely that it's a transitional. Skeletally, it's more reptilian than not, but it has a bird's worth of feathers. It tends to be classed as a bird. You have to draw the line somewhere.

Its closest known relatives are on the dinosaur side of the line, however. I refer to Protoarchaeopteryx and this unclassified dromaeosaur (perhaps a juvenile Sinornithosaurus).

14 posted on 02/14/2002 9:52:05 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: fish hawk
"Facts are not "probably", even in science."

Actually, you mean "probably" is not fact, but even so, Dr. Makovicky doesn't present the statement as fact. However, he does hypothesize that S. changii had feathers. He does so because it is apparently closely related to creatures that demonstrably had feathers.

15 posted on 02/14/2002 10:10:20 AM PST by OBAFGKM
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To: OBAFGKM
So do we pronounce "S. changii" as "Is change-y"?
16 posted on 02/14/2002 10:42:53 AM PST by lsee
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To: OBAFGKM
Ask Senator and Grand Wizard Robert Byrd if the theory of evolution is closer to fact or fiction, he was probably around 4 or 5000 years ago! Hell, he is so old his boxers probably make their own oil!

As for the Bible vs. evolution, I am staying out of this one!! Believe what you like.

17 posted on 02/14/2002 10:46:22 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: *crevo_list
bump
18 posted on 02/15/2002 2:10:20 AM PST by Gladwin
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To: OBAFGKM

19 posted on 02/15/2002 2:11:13 AM PST by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
Yes doc I think my tail is broke.

Oh wait this isn't a caption thread... sorry!

20 posted on 02/15/2002 2:15:55 AM PST by Khepera
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